More 11th Edition Boxset Rumours

[Interrogator Stobz]

5 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

This is basically what I'm talking about:

 

It's pretty clear where 8th edition comes in and 7th even dips below 6th.

Wow, I'm so old. Played RT as a teenager, then 2nd a bit due to army getting in the way, then heaps of 3rd-7th on the regular. I played two games of 8th and one of 9th before I stopped entirely with 40k in 10th. I'm not a fan of the non templates/facings etc. style game. And my army got legendized, hard. 

Great to see GW and the hobby in general doing so well, but wow, nearly 10 years ago.... so, so old. 

 

I guess 11th will be 10th with some minor tweaking, haven't heard any rumors of galaxy breaking lore or rules changes have we?

[phandaal]

2 hours ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

Great to see GW and the hobby in general doing so well, but wow, nearly 10 years ago.... so, so old. 

 

Seeing GW's performance 10 years ago doesn't make me feel old.

 

What makes me feel old is looking at 2009 and thinking it wasn't that long ago. 

[Dezron]

 

 

-Terrain pieces representing objectives

-11th will be backhand compatible

-Meganobz Kill Team

-Orkz vs Marine Kill Team Box

 

I mightt have missed something.

[Jscarlos18]

40 minutes ago, Dezron said:

 

 

-Terrain pieces representing objectives

-11th will be backhand compatible

-Meganobz Kill Team

-Orkz vs Marine Kill Team Box

 

I mightt have missed something.

While the Ork side for KT is known, what could SM need? Maybe upgrade kits for some of the non-unique chapters/legions similar to NL(from Kill Team) and IW having now dedicated parts?

[Dezron]

27 minutes ago, Jscarlos18 said:

While the Ork side for KT is known, what could SM need? Maybe upgrade kits for some of the non-unique chapters/legions similar to NL(from Kill Team) and IW having now dedicated parts?

 

Gravis Kill Team? Or maybe Agressor update? Veterans squad? 

 

Point is, they have options. 

[TheMawr]

I've looked over the video twice and I dont find the rumor of an ork vs marine kill team box.

There is waffling and mild speculation, but the only rumor is that meganobz will be an ork kill team. 

If I overlooked it though and there was, it's either Meganobz vs LotD ( also marines ) as a regular KT release or they will make an extra Armageddon flavor starter with existing teams ( Scouts vs Wreckas ?) 

 

Current rumors in order of age :

 

- Aeldari "Exodites"

- Grey knights vs Khorne 

- Aeldari vs Orks or Chaos ( by boole )

- Savlar chemdogs

- Legion of the Damned  

- Ork meganobz

 

So 6 or 7 kill teams from reliable rumor sources as I assume Meganobz = boole's Orks and Exodites = Boole's Aeldari. Chaos might not be the khorne rumor, I could easily see 2 Chaos themes in the coming 1.5 year period.

 

(There are rumors about Catachans and Jumppack votann every now and then but I think these are theory/wishlist echo chambers)

 

I am still highly skeptical about exodites in kill team, but it isn't that much weirder than Meganobz ( from game pov ) .. can see the latter have grot attendants ( mere tokens in 40k ) and the former Something similar or an "add rangers to this team to really complete it" situation like ratlings, blades of khaine etc. 

 

[Jscarlos18]

I wonder if the Exodites being in KT will do so they're included in the Eldar codex like the rest or appaear in a new book for all the minor elf factions(Corsairs, Exodites, Harlequins and Ynnari).

[TheMawr]

I wonder if GW would even experiment with the following things in regards to objective evolution ;

 

-- Make the visual distinction also rule distinctions, a crashed plane is a different objective than ancient xenos ruins etc.

 

-- Try to use this to have (product-wise, not rules or lorewise) 40k endless spells equivalent.. as in.. a boxset of a couple of objectives for each faction.

 

When I first heard the rumor, and thought about the above.. I was immediately theorising elements where capturing objectives replaces it with your faction objective markers and related effects, but I think they would become too boardgamey too quick for the majority of the 40k community.

 

And also all of the above defeats the visual coherency and suspension when Admech player with his martian dessert painted objectives and Ork player with bright grassy bases fight their battle on the ruined roads of some hiveworld.

 

( I wouldnt be me if I then think of solutions for that, like, the terrain/base/area objective is consistent, you just clip in different elements to represent the above things... but thats getting too far into theory.)

[Jscarlos18]

KT has been adding faction-specific terrain lately with Tyranids structures and Necrons tombs, so maybe the plan is so they can be repurposed to become objective markers.

Edited Wednesday at 12:08 PM by Jscarlos18

[DeadFingers]

7 hours ago, TheMawr said:

I've looked over the video twice and I dont find the rumor of an ork vs marine kill team box.

There is waffling and mild speculation, but the only rumor is that meganobz will be an ork kill team. 

If I overlooked it though and there was, it's either Meganobz vs LotD ( also marines ) as a regular KT release or they will make an extra Armageddon flavor starter with existing teams ( Scouts vs Wreckas ?) 

 

Current rumors in order of age :

 

- Aeldari "Exodites"

- Grey knights vs Khorne 

- Aeldari vs Orks or Chaos ( by boole )

- Savlar chemdogs

- Legion of the Damned  

- Ork meganobz

 

So 6 or 7 kill teams from reliable rumor sources as I assume Meganobz = boole's Orks and Exodites = Boole's Aeldari. Chaos might not be the khorne rumor, I could easily see 2 Chaos themes in the coming 1.5 year period.

 

(There are rumors about Catachans and Jumppack votann every now and then but I think these are theory/wishlist echo chambers)

 

I am still highly skeptical about exodites in kill team, but it isn't that much weirder than Meganobz ( from game pov ) .. can see the latter have grot attendants ( mere tokens in 40k ) and the former Something similar or an "add rangers to this team to really complete it" situation like ratlings, blades of khaine etc. 

 

I'm not entirely sure the Chem Dogs are a rumour. Just speculation as far as I know.

[Scribe]

9 hours ago, Dezron said:

-11th will be backhand compatible

 

40Ks dead to me then I guess, since I'll have to wait another 3 years for a new edition.

 

Maybe I'll mess around with a Kill Team (meganobz? hell yeah) but no way I'm playing 40K with GW's current rule set.

[Dezron]

28 minutes ago, Scribe said:

40Ks dead to me then I guess, since I'll have to wait another 3 years for a new edition.

 

Seems like an overeaction, especially to a rumor. 

 

I would wait atleast until we get rules preview or first 11th Edition codexes, anything more then just a rumor. 

 

 

[01RTB01]

38 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

40Ks dead to me then I guess, since I'll have to wait another 3 years for a new edition.

 

Maybe I'll mess around with a Kill Team (meganobz? hell yeah) but no way I'm playing 40K with GW's current rule set.

How come? Not a dig, just genuinely curious 

[soviet1337]

9 hours ago, Dezron said:

 

-11th will be backhand compatible

 

 

Like... in tennis? 

 

:-) 

 

 

[Scribe]

2 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

How come? Not a dig, just genuinely curious 

 

I have felt every edition since 8th has been a downgrade in terms of playability, the mechanics of 40K (Strats, Gear changes, Unit Cards, the model is the load out) have become increasingly obnoxious, and the open beta that was 10th has been laughable for the entire 3 years of its life. "Power Level" was a terrible idea when AoS first came out, and its a terrible idea now, over a decade later.

 

If 11th has a desire to be a continuation, its a continuation down the wrong path, and the game of 40K itself is worse for it, and since they didnt get rid of strats AND they made all gear 'free' AND they have changed army composition for the worse AND they keep finding ways to reduce the points/power level per model, leading to larger more unwieldly and time consuming games?

 

Frankly I have never thought less of the game.

 

The lore? Love it or hate it, it is what it is.

The models? Fantastic, love them.

 

The actual crunch? The rules of 40K? Delete it and go back to what worked.

[01RTB01]

23 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

I have felt every edition since 8th has been a downgrade in terms of playability, the mechanics of 40K (Strats, Gear changes, Unit Cards, the model is the load out) have become increasingly obnoxious, and the open beta that was 10th has been laughable for the entire 3 years of its life. "Power Level" was a terrible idea when AoS first came out, and its a terrible idea now, over a decade later.

 

If 11th has a desire to be a continuation, its a continuation down the wrong path, and the game of 40K itself is worse for it, and since they didnt get rid of strats AND they made all gear 'free' AND they have changed army composition for the worse AND they keep finding ways to reduce the points/power level per model, leading to larger more unwieldly and time consuming games?

 

Frankly I have never thought less of the game.

 

The lore? Love it or hate it, it is what it is.

The models? Fantastic, love them.

 

The actual crunch? The rules of 40K? Delete it and go back to what worked.

 

Thank you for your expansion. I can't say I disagree with a lot here. I miss 4th/5th. I thought 8th was the best modern version before the tournament crowd got hold of the game.

 

The soul of the game definitely isn't what it was that's for sure. 

[TheMawr]

8 hours ago, DeadFingers said:

I'm not entirely sure the Chem Dogs are a rumour. Just speculation as far as I know.

 

Yes you are right, should have noted that.

Though I must say, I didnt know much about savlar chem dogs ( I thought it was an 8th edition GSC conversion thing, but its much older apparently.)

But from what I read, they are the ones to make most sense of this rumor engine :

 

Its too Equine for many things, but not really chaos enough for chaos, its creepy but not undead and its too thin for greenskinz.. but when I read about their special cavalry, that description does fit ( as do muties, whose cavalry where the basis for the aforementioned cavalry )

 

However rumor engines have been red herrings so often ( suprisingly, often in 40k I have the feeling.. with AoS its always either something you couldnt possibly guess, or something that was obvious from miles away... could be as simple as that alot of 40k factions are much more closer in design languages, for obvious reasons.)

[phandaal]

14 hours ago, Scribe said:

"Power Level" was a terrible idea when AoS first came out, and its a terrible idea now, over a decade later.

 

GW themselves know this, or at least some people there know it, because someone thought it was important enough to use the removal of Power Level as a selling point for 10th Edition.

 

Then it turned out they had just renamed Power Level to Points, and by "no more Power Level" they meant "actually a LOT more Power Level, as a matter of fact nothing but Power Level." 

 

But hey, now we can have separate datasheets for Captain, Captain with a pistol in his hand, Captain with a pistol in his other hand, Captain with two pistols and a knife in his teeth (Captain Gone Wild), Captain after too many spicy tacos so his aim is a little off today... Peak modern wargaming. 

[LSM]

10 hours ago, TheMawr said:

Though I must say, I didnt know much about savlar chem dogs ( I thought it was an 8th edition GSC conversion thing, but its much older apparently.)

 

The Savlar Chem-dogs and Savlar Chem-riders go back to Codex: Armageddon (2000). They were just a name (and a Chimera hull camo scheme - Camo Green and Rotting Flesh, as opposed to the Fortress Grey and Rotting Flesh of the Armageddon Steel Legion or the Codex Grey and Fortress Grey of the Death Korps of Krieg's Absolution Battalion). If I had to guess, they were probably originally intended to just be another variant scheme of the new Steel Legion models (like the Death Korps was).

 

They then got Chapter Approved rules (alongside Armageddon Ork Hunters, Death Korps of Krieg, and Elysian Drop Troops) in 2003. Regiments raised from the chemical wasteland penal world of Savlar, who are all low criminals, scavengers, thieves, etc. Their main things were being adapted to harsh conditions and using drugs in their rebreathers.

 

The conversion of the time was to take Orlock Gangers/IG Tank Crew, replace their heads with the one Chaos Terminator head (bald, with rebreather mask), and then wire was used for the tubing between the rebreather and the backpack and greenstuff for their "bib".

 

//

 

I've long had a soft spot for them, the same as the other Armageddon regiments. Though... if I were picking another IG regiment to put into Kill Team it sure wouldn't be the Chem-dogs (or 'riders). Catachans Jungle Fighters, Vostroyans Firstborn, even Valhallan Ice Warriors or Mordian Iron Guard. 

 

Edited 23 hours ago by LSM

[brother_b]

I feel 10th is a boardgame moonlighting as a wargame with a dash of combo-based CCG mechanics. @Scribenails my feelings pretty much right on. 
 

I loved the flexibility and granularity that points gave us. I’m not a fan of box-locked units and options. 
 

Still love the hobby. I’ll play garage games with the boys but I’m a bit over L-shaped ruins and no customization.

[Marshal Reinhard]

1 hour ago, phandaal said:

But hey, now we can have separate datasheets for Captain, Captain with a pistol in his hand, Captain with a pistol in his other hand, Captain with two pistols and a knife in his teeth (Captain Gone Wild), Captain after too many spicy tacos so his aim is a little off today... Peak modern wargaming. 

NGL I'd probably still buy that

[DemonGSides]

1 hour ago, brother_b said:

I feel 10th is a boardgame moonlighting as a wargame with a dash of combo-based CCG mechanics. @Scribenails my feelings pretty much right on. 
 

I loved the flexibility and granularity that points gave us. I’m not a fan of box-locked units and options. 
 

Still love the hobby. I’ll play garage games with the boys but I’m a bit over L-shaped ruins and no customization.

 

Tbf no one is making you use L shaped ruins, that's just your group having zero imagination.

 

No customization is a problem wrt to points at the army building level. My models have never been more bespoke than they currently are; :cuss: do I care what weapon a guy is holding when they only have one statline to worry about.  I would love for pointed wargear to come back, and some form of force organization beyond "Rule of 3 and a Warlord".

[Antarius]

Yeah. I absolutely think people ought to try playing with different terrain, board sizes and point sizes - otherwise I’d probably tend to agree that it might as well be a boardgame. But it’s quite customizable, really.

[SteveAntilles]

My group is still using 4x6 tables and narrative terrain. It's awesome.

[Jukkiz]

i just hope we can move on from constant L-shaped ruins that litter every gameboard and seemingly GW´s store too... 

Atleast for the price, give use proper buildings instead of 1/3rd of one