More 11th Edition Boxset Rumours

[Ripper.McGuirl]

2 minutes ago, Antarius said:

I seem to recall there were some rumours about a zombie pirate faction for AoS. Maybe those were actually for 40K and we'll get primaris commissar captain Yarr-rick.

It would be an easy way to tie in with the Maelstrom pirate forces. Maybe they all make their way to Armageddon and Primyarrick has to stop them from renaming it Yarrrrmageddon.

[CastellanDeMolay]

7 hours ago, Antarius said:

That’s not actually a thing in the real world.

You didn't hear all the hubbub about some races being intrinsically evil in DnD recently? (Actually, I just looked it up, it was 5 years ago already) I've been to a professionally run DnD event where one of the rules was "no in-universe teh raciums". 

Back on topic: I did a little research, and I'm seeing that Blood Angels were not involved in the 4th War for Armageddon, according to the Crusade book, or at least weren't mentioned. In either case it would make sending them to Armageddon to fight Orks again either a retcon, or essentially a 5th war for Armageddon. The more I think about it the less sense it makes for the box to be called Armageddon, or for the narrative to be set there. 

Edited Sunday at 01:31 PM by CastellanDeMolay

[TheMawr]

5 minutes ago, CastellanDeMolay said:

You didn't hear all the hubbub about some races being intrinsically evil in DnD recently? (Actually, I just looked it up, it was 5 years ago already) I've been to a professionally run DnD event where one of the rules was "no in-universe teh raciums". 

Back on topic: I did a little research, and I'm seeing that Blood Angels were not involved in the 4th War for Armageddon, according to the Crusade book, or at least weren't mentioned. In either case it would make sending them to Armageddon to fight Orks again either a retcon, or essentially a 5th war for Armageddon. The more I think about it the less sense it makes for the box to be called Armageddon, or for the narrative to be set there. 

 

Even if on Armageddon the naming focus could be more blood angels relevant ; Angels of Death, Deathstorm ( strike force probably too much ) or something.

 

But its a good point, it's unclear to me if the theme of the 11th box being Armageddon is an actual rumor or deduction... or even a mis-expectation of the rumorsource themselves because campaign book is Armageddon and thus the follow up box featuring orks is as well.

It's possible there won't be a "big narrative threat" at all this time, just as there isn't in the campaign books.

But the box being warzone agnostic instead.

 

Isn't this about the time we should start seeing the influence of the new head of lore ? I dont know if I remember correctly if that was the soft-spoken guy from old preview events ( was it wade ?) So new approaches are likely, and sort of already happening.

( at least about 500 worlds they said in the WD article there will be follow up narratives.) 

 

I'd really like a lot of moving/evolving narratives that are not of a "the galaxy is doomed" level. ( even vigilus tried that kind of thing ) 

[Antarius]

43 minutes ago, CastellanDeMolay said:

You didn't hear all the hubbub about some races being intrinsically evil in DnD recently? (Actually, I just looked it up, it was 5 years ago already) I've been to a professionally run DnD event where one of the rules was "no in-universe teh raciums". 

I agree that we shouldn't take this further off topic, but I would advise against making the leap from "there was some internet hubbub five years ago" (there's always hubbub somewhere on the internet) to "now GW won't dare use the word greenskins anymore". It doesn't lead anywhere good and attributing that kind of importance to internet drama skews your sense of proportion over time (not least if you interact with these kinds of stories in algorithm-driven places).
This is not intended as a "call out" or anything like that, just friendly advice.

[DemonGSides]

The Ork faction in Warhammer Total War (Including all the way up to the current game) is literally called Greenskins.  If you're going to get riled up over something, at least make it something real.

Edited Sunday at 03:00 PM by DemonGSides

[Flaherty]

4 hours ago, TheMawr said:

 

Even if on Armageddon the naming focus could be more blood angels relevant ; Angels of Death, Deathstorm ( strike force probably too much ) or something.

 

But its a good point, it's unclear to me if the theme of the 11th box being Armageddon is an actual rumor or deduction... or even a mis-expectation of the rumorsource themselves because campaign book is Armageddon and thus the follow up box featuring orks is as well.

It's possible there won't be a "big narrative threat" at all this time, just as there isn't in the campaign books.

But the box being warzone agnostic instead.

 

Isn't this about the time we should start seeing the influence of the new head of lore ? I dont know if I remember correctly if that was the soft-spoken guy from old preview events ( was it wade ?) So new approaches are likely, and sort of already happening.

( at least about 500 worlds they said in the WD article there will be follow up narratives.) 

 

I'd really like a lot of moving/evolving narratives that are not of a "the galaxy is doomed" level. ( even vigilus tried that kind of thing ) 

They'll likely announce the Armageddon book set at Adepticon, when they're also expected to announce the box set and edition name. That makes the confusion a bit less worrisome. It makes the books feel like a natural lead-in. Especially if the rules allow people to use their prior edition codices. You could imagine them saying you can start playing the Armageddon scenarios in late April or early May and that you'll have reinforcements by the end of June. In any case, not long to wait now!

[Laurence]

Maybe - MAYBE - Ghazghkull will occupy Armageddon and give it back its original name, allowing the boxed set to be named Ullanor.  The orks could be the defending force for once, fending off an Imperial counter-invasion.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

12 minutes ago, Laurence said:

Maybe - MAYBE - Ghazghkull will occupy Armageddon and give it back its original name, allowing the boxed set to be named Ullanor.  The orks could be the defending force for once, fending off an Imperial counter-invasion.

Edition launch boxes are supposed to also get new people into the hobby.

i don’t think ‘ullanor’ is a name that will gain the attention of people primed to get started but not quite there yet 

[01RTB01]

30 minutes ago, Laurence said:

Maybe - MAYBE - Ghazghkull will occupy Armageddon and give it back its original name, allowing the boxed set to be named Ullanor.  The orks could be the defending force for once, fending off an Imperial counter-invasion.

They'd have to clear out all the daemons first. Honestly, I don't know how they're going to do the narrative for this one.

[Larkhainan]

Armageddon feels like a lock for the name. Blood Angels battling Orkz in a ruined city, big ass ARMAGEDDON across the box, ARMAGEDDON hitting my wallet, it all works

[Antarius]

Yeah, Armageddon feels like a no-brainer. Only thing that would keep them from doing it (which it might) is that they've already used the name a fair bit in recent times. Still, if I were to put money on anything, it would be that.

[Moonstalker]

I will throw a curveball in here for the box name.  This is all baseless speculation, a bit of devil's advocate for prematurely settling on Armageddon as what the starter box name has to be.  I'm thinking something with Octarius, or maybe "Rise/Return of the Beast."  The Orks have been losing to Hive Fleet Leviathan in Octarius for a while now, but they haven't lost yet.  Perhaps that warzone is the next flash point in the ongoing narrative, necessitating the intervention of the Blood Angels?  Khorne/the World Eaters got involved there too, for a while - maybe that ties in to the Blood Angels and their, uh, relationship with Khorne.  There's also the rumors of Grey Knights vs Khorne for Kill Team.  That could just as easily be Octarius as Armageddon.  The name isn't quite as flashy, but it could still make some sense.

 

But with the introduction of new Apocalypse rules, GW is going to want to sell us some more superheavies.  Maybe Ghazghkull has finally ascended to Krork/The Beast status?  His old primarch-sized model retired, and we're going to see a new knight-sized model for him.  The Armageddon books at the end of 11th edition set up his return to the planet, but now he's bigger and badder than ever.  That's where an alternate title for the box could come in; it's still set on Armageddon, but the launch box gets its name from the main threat (Ghaz as The Beast) instead of the location, and there's less confusion between the end of edition campaign and the new edition launch.

[ZeroWolf]

I think its more than likely that the box is locked in as Armageddon, and that its the last books name which isnt just going to be the single word. Not that I'm betting but I think something like Armageddon- The Beast Returns fits the naming pattern of the other books which still leaves the very impact hitting Armageddon for the launch box

[Dalmyth]

For the best of both worlds just you could just call it Orkageddon

[Dezron]

3 hours ago, Dalmyth said:

For the best of both worlds just you could just call it Orkageddon

 

Da Beast uv RagnOrk

[DemonGSides]

23 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Edition launch boxes are supposed to also get new people into the hobby.

i don’t think ‘ullanor’ is a name that will gain the attention of people primed to get started but not quite there yet 

 

I don't think launch boxes are meant for brand new customers; that's what Starter Sets are, and we get the refrain constantly around here and elsewhere that the Launch Box is not meant for just starting people, but for returning customers who have either lapsed or people who are already into the hobby to get a headstart on the new edition.

 

The split up boxes that come out a month or so after the Launch Set are meant for new customers; they're usually just portions of the Launch set with easy to parse rules or even just straight up Combat Patrol v Combat Patrol, maybe with some slight augmentations.

 

But the big, $200+ set is absolutely not made for new customers.

[ZeroWolf]

1 hour ago, DemonGSides said:

 

I don't think launch boxes are meant for brand new customers; that's what Starter Sets are, and we get the refrain constantly around here and elsewhere that the Launch Box is not meant for just starting people, but for returning customers who have either lapsed or people who are already into the hobby to get a headstart on the new edition.

 

The split up boxes that come out a month or so after the Launch Set are meant for new customers; they're usually just portions of the Launch set with easy to parse rules or even just straight up Combat Patrol v Combat Patrol, maybe with some slight augmentations.

 

But the big, $200+ set is absolutely not made for new customers.

This true but I think Armageddon is still going to grab more attention with existing customers and more importantly, lapsed customers.

 

Also a question: Do the Orks remember the name Ullanor? Or would Gaz just rename it something else?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

3 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

 

I don't think launch boxes are meant for brand new customers; that's what Starter Sets are, and we get the refrain constantly around here and elsewhere that the Launch Box is not meant for just starting people, but for returning customers who have either lapsed or people who are already into the hobby to get a headstart on the new edition.

 

The split up boxes that come out a month or so after the Launch Set are meant for new customers; they're usually just portions of the Launch set with easy to parse rules or even just straight up Combat Patrol v Combat Patrol, maybe with some slight augmentations.

 

But the big, $200+ set is absolutely not made for new customers.

I’ve never bought that.

 

why would a returning player or a current player want two armies?

 

a new person could utilize both, or a family buy it for their two kids, or two friends going halfsies.

 

unless you or someone in your family already plays both armies or wanted to start the other it’s just a hard sell to get some one to buy a $300 box for only 4 or 5 units.

 

same reason I didn’t buy the KT big box with corsairs found at the store, that price when I only wanted 10 models out of it.

 

 

2 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

This true but I think Armageddon is still going to grab more attention with existing customers and more importantly, lapsed customers.

 

Also a question: Do the Orks remember the name Ullanor? Or would Gaz just rename it something else?

Ghazland

Edited 16 hours ago by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Evil Eye]

5 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Ghazland

*Ghazakstan.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

11 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

*Ghazakstan.

I am so mad at myself for not thinking of that.

 

Post of the week right here.

[Xenith]

Plot twist: the darker, more gothic models came out the edition after Dark Imperium; Indomitus terms were in the edition after Indomitus; following this pattern there should be a unit called a Leviathan in the 11th ed boxed set. 

[Antarius]

35 minutes ago, Xenith said:

Plot twist: the darker, more gothic models came out the edition after Dark Imperium; Indomitus terms were in the edition after Indomitus; following this pattern there should be a unit called a Leviathan in the 11th ed boxed set. 

You jest, but it's not like I would sneer at an etb Leviathan dread!

[Xenith]

Maybe more an ork unit called a Leviathan 

[Mogger351]

11 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

I’ve never bought that.

 

why would a returning player or a current player want two armies?

 

a new person could utilize both, or a family buy it for their two kids, or two friends going halfsies.

 

unless you or someone in your family already plays both armies or wanted to start the other it’s just a hard sell to get some one to buy a $300 box for only 4 or 5 units.

 

same reason I didn’t buy the KT big box with corsairs found at the store, that price when I only wanted 10 models out of it.

I think you're both right. Warhammwr fans love minis, they can save a big chunk on these flashy boxes of purely new shinies.

 

They're also typically the new person box + extras, so if the starter box appeals then surely this does as well.

 

It's aimed at everyone, maybe with a slight tilt towards existing players.

 

When Ghazakstan drops at £200, the issue will be more "who can afford it" because that's a lot regardless if you're new or not.

[DemonGSides]

2 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

I think you're both right. Warhammwr fans love minis, they can save a big chunk on these flashy boxes of purely new shinies.

 

They're also typically the new person box + extras, so if the starter box appeals then surely this does as well.

 

It's aimed at everyone, maybe with a slight tilt towards existing players.

 

When Ghazakstan drops at £200, the issue will be more "who can afford it" because that's a lot regardless if you're new or not.

 

Right, I never said it wasn't something that anyone could buy, just that they aren't designed for a brand new player; it's designed for ongoing players to get into the new edition.  It also serves as a way to get people into new armies, which thereby increases the avenues for GW to sell you more plastic.

 

Starter sets are actually built for people to start the game, often including some terrain and Combat Patrol level amounts of models, which is better for a new player to get into the game with.

 

"Who can afford it" comes with the implicit "It's a lot for someone who's got 0 skin in the game but not as much for someone who's a well established collector".  It's a product designed at getting current fans more energized and lapsed fans to get back in with a single point of purchase.  These aren't aimed at New Players considering they no longer include things like Dice, measuring sticks, or even "Quick how to play" type stuff of other edition release sets in the past; theses things DO show up in the Starter Sets.  I still have my Dark Vengeance red whipping stick somewhere; I don't think we ever used those for anything other than tormenting each other, and certainly not for their intended use of measuring things.

 

It's aimed at everyone in the same sense that all of their stuff is technically for everyone.  But edition release boxes aren't necessarily where I would be pointing a friend who was newly interested in getting into the hobby; that's a lot of Pile of Shame debt to stack on a new person right off the rip.  Getting the BRB is the best part, though there is some argument that Push Fit models also contribute to the air of 'this is for new people', but not even all Edition Release sets are push-fit (8th edition Dark Imperium wasn't push-fit), though they do seem to be trending towards that across their properties (Idk if HH has gotten any push-fit stuff?  I don't think so?).