More 11th Edition Boxset Rumours

[Mogger351]

Dark imperium was definitely push fit. Most of the supporting minis from the release such as the blight hauler are still "Easy To Build".

 

I've said it before but if they don't put terrain and boards in the launch box for a new version of combat patrol, I'll be amazed.

[DemonGSides]

32 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Dark imperium was definitely push fit. Most of the supporting minis from the release such as the blight hauler are still "Easy To Build".

 

I've said it before but if they don't put terrain and boards in the launch box for a new version of combat patrol, I'll be amazed.

 

Except there was no Blight Hauler in Dark Imperium.  You're thinking of the Easy to Build kits, which were for sure designed for new players.  Dark Imperium was just regular model kits, the instructions even mention needing glue.

You can find the instructions online, not sure why you'd argue about it; https://imgur.com/a/dark-imperium-box-set-primaris-space-marines-death-guard-ndE4b

Edited March 10 by DemonGSides

[sarabando]

i think there will be "terrain" as there is a rumour of objectives being physical terrain bits this edition,. 

[NorthernUltramarines]

27 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Dark imperium was definitely push fit. Most of the supporting minis from the release such as the blight hauler are still "Easy To Build".

 

I've said it before but if they don't put terrain and boards in the launch box for a new version of combat patrol, I'll be amazed.

Think you're absolutely spot on. Skaventide did it so people could build and play spearhead straight out of the box, I really can't see a reason why 40k wouldn't follow suit with this by doing something similar. 

[Toxichobbit]

I still have unassembled Dark Imperium models. They're next to me as I type this. They are not push fit, they are just monopose. I can post photos if people really want to argue.

[shabadoit]

Push fit DI is one of the weird things people have really strong memories of existing that definitely didn't. The human memory is a weird thing. 

[Mogger351]

53 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

Except there was no Blight Hauler in Dark Imperium.  You're thinking of the Easy to Build kits, which were for sure designed for new players.  Dark Imperium was just regular model kits, the instructions even mention needing glue.

You can find the instructions online, not sure why you'd argue about it; https://imgur.com/a/dark-imperium-box-set-primaris-space-marines-death-guard-ndE4b

I know there was no blight hauler in the box thank you. They released the easy to build wave alongside the formal release of the starter products.

 

Admittedly no dark imperium isnt a literal push fit, but they also weren't the standard multipart sprues and had all the nubs and grooves for easy alignment. They were more of a halfway house. Reduced parts, easier to build and monopose.

7 minutes ago, shabadoit said:

Push fit DI is one of the weird things people have really strong memories of existing that definitely didn't. The human memory is a weird thing. 

There are a lot of push fit models they released at the same time and as above they also weren't the multipart kits.

 

Look at all these lovely alignment pegs and square joints so you can't mess up the pose and so on. They're not literal pushfit but they aren't true multipart kits

Edited March 10 by Mogger351

[Toxichobbit]

There was an Intercessor Sergeant in Dark Imperium who had a bolt rifle in one hand, no helmet, a typical marine crew cut and was pointing. There's also an Intercessor Sergeant in the push-fit easy to build Intercessors  that released at almost the same time who had a bolt rifle in one hand, no helmet, a typical marine crew cut and was pointing but a slightly different pose (gun down instead of up). I wouldn't be shocked if those two models cause some people to get mixed up as to which were push-fit and which weren't.

[ZeroWolf]

I also concur that the new box will take a leaf out of AoS's book regarding Combat Patrol, i just hooe that's not the only improvement they make to it and instead look at what works with Spearhead and bring that over as well.

 

Of course, this is just going to add to the price...

[LittlePlasticHomies]

Leviathan contained well more than a combat patrol

[ZeroWolf]

9 minutes ago, LittlePlasticHomies said:

Leviathan contained well more than a combat patrol

Correct, it contained two combat patrols (that were not even in the slightest) and an additional 2 sprues per faction...Which is what AoS also had in Skaventide plus all the extra spearhead stuff.

[W.A.Rorie]

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[The Praetorian of Inwit]

Has there been any indication of price?

 

Do we think it will have more or less plastic than Leviathan? I hope not but I can see shrinkflation hitting this. 

 

If there is terrain, I wonder if it will be cardboard/mdf whatever it was in the Kill Team box?

[Mogger351]

Just now, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

Has there been any indication of price?

 

Do we think it will have more or less plastic than Leviathan? I hope not but I can see shrinkflation hitting this. 

 

If there is terrain, I wonder if it will be cardboard/mdf whatever it was in the Kill Team box?

Given a battleforce has historically been cheaper than a launch box and they're £160 rrp I think discussion is £180-200. When you consider saturnine is £200, to me that seals it as that price point.

[ZeroWolf]

I wouldn't necessarily look to HH for price indicators as the last box was more expensive than Leviathan and debuted before it. Still, I'd be surprised if it was lower than £180.

[Larkhainan]

It's the price of skaventide + whatever the % is, from the hikes since that release, on big boxes which gets the biggest jumps since it compounds

 

I'm pretty sure I mathed it out to be about 300~ CAD after retailer discount but it is different in every region

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

The eldritch raiders box was like $250.

id expect the launch box to be around $300-325

[de Selby]

The key to these big sprue-packed launch boxes is they provide a way for a casual gamer like me to stay current with the three year rules churn without feeling like I'm really paying for the rulebook changes (assuming the models themselves seem good value from a model-collecting POV).

 

However at current prices an edition launch box is basically THE big hobby purchase for the year. I only bought into HH3 at 35 percent off.   I didn't buy into warhammer quest this time around... convince me, GW!

[LittlePlasticHomies]

GW’s transit cost for heavier launch boxes (books) have just gone through the roof as well and there’s a 0% chance they let it eat their margin

[crimsondave]

To be fair, HH:  Age of Darkness was $50 usd more expensive than the 10th starter box.  $250 is more than enough.  I bet your right though and it's $300.  

[Joe]

8 minutes ago, LittlePlasticHomies said:

GW’s transit cost for heavier launch boxes (books) have just gone through the roof as well and there’s a 0% chance they let it eat their margin

 

To be fair, transit is part of the issue (and has been since COVID drove shipping prices through the roof). Of greater concern; with the price of oil by the barrel sky-rocketing, that's going to eat into operational costs in a way that simply isn't sustainable without implementing price rises. As much as the margin line is important in of itself, their overall profit after expenditures are taken out is nowhere near as much as you'd expect it to be, and that's before factoring in how much is invested back into the company.

 

£200 does sound about right for the box set, however.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, crimsondave said:

To be fair, HH:  Age of Darkness was $50 usd more expensive than the 10th starter box.  $250 is more than enough.  I bet your right though and it's $300.  

I mean I can’t imagine a box with two armies being even close to the cost of a box with only one army. 
 

especially if it comes with any terrain at all.

[Mana]

To me it will cost a bit more than skaventide (which costed a bit more than leviathan). Also gw seems to increase the number of miniatures with the price increase of this boxes, I think they consider it part of the value, also to them the launch boxes are high value limited boxes with "good" pricing, it will cost less than saturnite for sure.

 

To me it doesn't matter how much it costs, I won't be getting it, I have a lot of backlog to work on, getting a big box like this is not feasible at all if I actually want to paint what I have.

Edited March 12 by Mana

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

22 minutes ago, Mana said:

To me it will cost a bit more than skaventide (which costed a bit more than leviathan). Also gw seems to increase the number of miniatures with the price increase of this boxes, I think they consider it part of the value, also to them the launch boxes are high value limited boxes with "good" pricing, it will cost less than saturnite for sure.

 

To me it doesn't matter how much it costs, I won't be getting it, I have a lot of backlog to work on, getting a big box like this is not feasible at all if I actually want to paint what I have.

Depending on what’s in it I would be interested to expand my orks to roughly 2k

 

but my Corsair box was about the ceiling of what I am willing to pay for their typical boxes.

 

20-25 models per side at $300 I can justify that.

 

18 or fewer models per side and I just can’t justify it.

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

Leviathan was easier to rationalise because I didn't want the 'Nids, so I split the box with someone. 

 

This will be harder because I'm wondering if I do want an Ork army or not...

 

I paid full whack for Indomitus because (at the time) I wanted a Necron army. I ended up buying a few more Necron box sets to go along with the Indomitus half too... and painted exactly one Necron before sticking it all on Vinted and selling it for £200 to a mother who was buying for her son's birthday. That at least made me feel nice that a young hobbyist had a good start to his 40K journey! Especially as I benefiited in such a way when I was a lad.

 

I should just split this armageddon box and pay less.