More 11th Edition Boxset Rumours

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

23 minutes ago, mecanojavi99 said:

 

Honestly, I feel like the only Firstborn units that will remain are those that can already be used by Primaris (which I'm GW mind turns them into Primaris units), so the Fliers and Land Raiders.

 

Anything based on the Rhino chassis I expect to be gone.

I hope not.

i hate the impulsor.

 

doesnt have the transport capacity of a rhino, nor does it have the fire power of the razorback can potentially have.

 

With the throw backs we’re seeing I would love to see a modernized version of the 2nd/3rd edition razorback with the las/plas combo.

[ThaneOfTas]

20 minutes ago, mecanojavi99 said:

Sisters already got their own version of the Rhino and Predator, I just expect CSM to receive a specific version as well at some point.

 

Yeah but at its core its the same kit, so theres no point in retireing the marine version when they'll still be making it.

[Nephaston]

13 minutes ago, ThaneOfTas said:

Yeah but at its core its the same kit, so theres no point in retireing the marine version when they'll still be making it.

Seeing as the sisters rhino only really adds doors and the front plate replacement with the rest being glue-on-top stuff lice filigree and relics you could have an improved base kit that simply permits the same replacements and additions.

[ThaneOfTas]

21 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

Seeing as the sisters rhino only really adds doors and the front plate replacement with the rest being glue-on-top stuff lice filigree and relics you could have an improved base kit that simply permits the same replacements and additions.

Oh absolutely, my argument was against the idea that the Marines are losing access to the Rhino, I could absolutely see them doing a new version of the kit though.

[RWJP]

7 hours ago, Xenith said:

Oof, intercessors were what, 2016? Sub 10 years for a replacement kit. A new Mk7 might have been more interesting! 

I mean, it's hardly unusual, the Space Marine "Basic Infantry" kit has always historically been the most regularly replaced/updated.

GW released new versions of the Tactical Squad in 1992, 1995, 1999, 2004 (Iron Hands), 2012 (Dark Angels), 2013 and 2014 (Blood Angels), then the Intercessors in 2017. The current Intercessor kit will be 9 years old this year so technically speaking it's "due" for a replacement at this point. 

And to be fair I would argue that at this point the Intercessor kit actually needs a replacement, if only to make sure it includes all the Sergeant weapon options that the current version lacks.

Edited Tuesday at 12:49 AM by RWJP

[Nephaston]

12 minutes ago, RWJP said:

And to be fair I would argue that at this point the Intercessor kit actually needs a replacement, if only to make sure it includes all the Sergeant weapon options that the current version lacks.

This is probably just me wishlisting, but they could really stand to copy 30k and use this new intercessor kit as a base for upgrades to also cover hellblasters, Infernus, desolatorsand the like. Hellblasters for instance no longer have a reason for three skews of plasma incinerator, and desolator guns are bit of a meme.

[sitnam]

18 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

This is probably just me wishlisting, but they could really stand to copy 30k and use this new intercessor kit as a base for upgrades to also cover hellblasters, Infernus, desolatorsand the like. Hellblasters for instance no longer have a reason for three skews of plasma incinerator, and desolator guns are bit of a meme.

 

I wavered between the green "agree" and the grey "disagree" emojis for this one. I understand and agree with the sentiment. Part of of me just loves the variety of the light/medium/heavy guns for the 8th-9th Primaris.  Even though I prefer Tactical squad conceptually to Legion style Primaris load outs, just giving different modeling opportunities for the guns is neat to me. Its like real spec ops get to customize their kit to fit their tastes, whilst the grunts are left with standard issues stuff.

 

However, going to the HH model would likely be healthier for shelf space.

[Scribe]

4 hours ago, mecanojavi99 said:

Anything based on the Rhino chassis I expect to be gone.

 

That would be tragic. No hyperbole. 

[Nephaston]

1 hour ago, sitnam said:

 

I wavered between the green "agree" and the grey "disagree" emojis for this one. I understand and agree with the sentiment. Part of of me just loves the variety of the light/medium/heavy guns for the 8th-9th Primaris.  Even though I prefer Tactical squad conceptually to Legion style Primaris load outs, just giving different modeling opportunities for the guns is neat to me. Its like real spec ops get to customize their kit to fit their tastes, whilst the grunts are left with standard issues stuff.

 

However, going to the HH model would likely be healthier for shelf space.

I would've loved to keep it that way as well, especially after building a three 10 mean squads of each bolt rifle config, but at least the compromise of a flexible [assault]/[heavy] profile seems like an alright one to me.

Especially with how the rules team might otherwise struggle.

[Interrogator Stobz]

IMHO, The posing of Power Armoured dudes is getting worse, the Deathwatch for example, to me look janky and awkward..., and I love DW the most. My KT kit bashed their spesh kit on to decent bodies.

Hopefully the Intersessors keep some of the old style.

Super looking forward to seeing new Orks too, fungus heads are fun.

 

[mini_painting_mike]

Maybe it's a sign of how far along the kits have come, because although the intecessor squad is now 10 years old, it doesn't look dated at all.

[Jings]

8 hours ago, mecanojavi99 said:

Then you can start screaming now, GW has been adamant on the single weapon squads and based on Valrak it's still a bolt rifle only unit.

 

I already am and have been for some time. 

[Mogger351]

5 minutes ago, mini_painting_mike said:

Maybe it's a sign of how far along the kits have come, because although the intecessor squad is now 10 years old, it doesn't look dated at all.

It doesn't at all, but the game has left them behind a little via consolidation of the bolter profiles, so there's a lot more they can do on the sprues instead now.

[Blindhamster]

I wouldn’t want the HH approach, it means you have the same 5, maaaybe 10 bodies across an entire army. HH it sort of works because you buy different armour mk sets. 

[Orange Knight]

8 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

I hope not.

i hate the impulsor.

 

doesnt have the transport capacity of a rhino, nor does it have the fire power of the razorback can potentially have.

 

With the throw backs we’re seeing I would love to see a modernized version of the 2nd/3rd edition razorback with the las/plas combo.

 

The Impulsor is significantly better than both the Rhino and Razorback, imo.

It's fast, and you can shoot from inside.

 

I wasn't a big fan of it initially but it's a very fun unit. You should give it a try with some Hellblasters.

52 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

It doesn't at all, but the game has left them behind a little via consolidation of the bolter profiles, so there's a lot more they can do on the sprues instead now.

 

I predicted that GW will update the kit by giving some more armour variation- something akin to the space wolf kits, and will take away all the excess bolt rifles.

 

I still think we might get an extra weapon option. Maybe not in the 11th starter set, but in the full kit release.

[Robbienw]

They'll never get rid of the Rhino and Land Raider for Marines, they are just too much part of the 40K marine dna.  The impulsor and repulsor (plus variants) were never adequate visual replacements, if they were ever intended to be.  They will do kits that are straight updates like they have done with Terminators and Scouts.

[Cyrox]

5 hours ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

IMHO, The posing of Power Armoured dudes is getting worse, the Deathwatch for example, to me look janky and awkward..., and I love DW the most. My KT kit bashed their spesh kit on to decent bodies.

Hopefully the Intersessors keep some of the old style.

Super looking forward to seeing new Orks too, fungus heads are fun.

 

 

Absolutely agreed - poses look awkward and un-natural, especially with GW current mindset of  'one foot MUST be on a rock or stone' for nearly all minis, or one foot on the tippy toe

I feel like poses are getting worse - the new Red Corsairs look amazing but their poses are a bit rubbish, same for Wolf Scouts.

 

Sometimes I think GW have a standard set of digital poses, templates A-F for all minis, and they just pick one and digitally sculpt over the top of it.

[Indy Techwisp]

I can see the "classic" Marine vehicles getting a size increase with the current one being retained solely for the non-Marine factions that can access it (Baseline Humans use Rhinos as well, remember).

[Interrogator Stobz]

24 minutes ago, Cyrox said:

 

Absolutely agreed - poses look awkward and un-natural, especially with GW current mindset of  'one foot MUST be on a rock or stone' for nearly all minis, or one foot on the tippy toe

I feel like poses are getting worse - the new Red Corsairs look amazing but their poses are a bit rubbish, same for Wolf Scouts.

 

Sometimes I think GW have a standard set of digital poses, templates A-F for all minis, and they just pick one and digitally sculpt over the top of it.

Yep, there's a lot of repetitive poses. When they're good, that isn't so much of an issue. 

[Evil Eye]

17 hours ago, Xenith said:

Oof, intercessors were what, 2016? Sub 10 years for a replacement kit. A new Mk7 might have been more interesting! 

 

I'm keen to see what the Orks side contains - classically they might go with goffs, but bad Moons also had a massive presence at Armageddon, and the deff dread/killa kan/lootas kits are way older, and in GW style ready for an update. 

I'm sure we'll get new Mk.7 eventually, but with any luck a new Intercessor kit mixes in enough older armour parts to at least hold us over*. I would hope for a separate non-ETB refresh though alongside the starter set guys; I've said this before but I feel like with the cleaner lines of loyalist Marines compared to their spiky turncoat brethren, you could theoretically bring back the balljointed waists for some better posing/kitbash options whilst retaining the more fluid/seamless sculpts. All you'd need to do is invert the ball and socket arrangement, so the ball is pointing downwards from the abdomen, with the socket half (and belt) moved to the waist. Think how the current Dark Eldar infantry kits work, or JoyToy's Marines for that matter. That'd enable very natural poseability whilst avoiding the slightly wonky look that extreme poses on older Marines could have.

 

Lootas I could see getting a replacement as they're pretty ancient. Wouldn't overly miss them honestly (mainly because I prefer Lootas being kitbashed from regular boyz with your looted gun of choice, 3E style) though we'd also need new Burna Boyz as it's a dual kit. I'd rather they didn't replace the Dredd and Kanz though, IMO at least they hold up very well. Worst thing I can say about the Kanz is there only being one of each gun in the kit. That said, if we do get new kits for the walkers I'd like them to do a throwback to the older pre-plastic designs where they were a bit more dustbin-on-legs. The Dredd especially; the current kit is a very cool one, but I do miss the very simply shaped "walking oil drum" designs. I'd argue the 4th(?) edition metal Dredd still looks plenty good next to modern miniatures, even if it could be legally defined as a deadly weapon with how heavy and spiky it is.

 

 

 

*On the plus side, making older modular Marines scale better is surprisingly simple, you really just need longer legs. It's not a perfect solution but it's a massive improvement for fairly little work. This jump-captain I bashed together is entirely oldscale parts with the exception of 3D printed legs. Well, and the tilt shield but that hardly counts. And for those without a personal manufactorum it's not that hard to lengthen modular Marine legs- @Veteran Sergeant has a very good tutorial on doing so on his blog just using cuts and plasticard shims. Or, if you want a bit more bulk and are willing to do a bit of reconstruction to hide their origins, oldstyle Terminator legs are well proportioned for them, though removing the obvious Terminator details may take a while to avoid them looking like Forgemaster Wallys gave them the wrong trousers.

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And for scale, here's him next to a fully printed truescale Marine (legs from the same set, torso is a hair longer at the waist but barely even noticable) and a normal human sized 28mm model. You could slightly extend the waist a bit if you really want to but it isn't strictly necessary IMO for a decent looking properly sized tabletop-quality Marine.

 

[Orange Knight]

19 hours ago, Xenith said:

Oof, intercessors were what, 2016? Sub 10 years for a replacement kit. A new Mk7 might have been more interesting! 

 

9 years is pretty standard for a Marine infantry kit refresh. Before Primaris came out, how many Tactical Squards had GW already released? And let's not forget the chapter exclusive ones, and the collectible Warhammer heroes, or the Horus Heresy versions which were fully usable in 40k back in the day, and even came with 1 special and 1 heavy weapon in the box.

 

On the posing complaints I've seen - there might actually be a point. I wonder if GW are feeling pressured to pose them in less orthodox ways after so many people complain about "generic poses" even though the generic poses reflect real human stances and movement. When soldiers are in a war, they all tend to march, run, aim, shoot, reload and take cover in a similar way.

Edited Tuesday at 12:37 PM by Orange Knight

[Dark Shepherd]

20 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

More or less but with the confirmation that theres no special weapons so ot isnt a 1:1 with the tactical squad box

Thats a bit disappointing

[Orange Knight]

8 minutes ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Thats a bit disappointing

 

Don't write off the idea of a "Tactical Intercessor" kit.

The rumors here are discussing the contents of the starter box. If there are new kits in the starter box, those kits will likely receive a seperate multipart release at a later date. That release may well have additional options. 

Then again, GW might just keep them as is. Intercessors are better than Tacticals ever were in terms of gameplay and rules.

[DeadFingers]

10 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Don't write off the idea of a "Tactical Intercessor" kit.

The rumors here are discussing the contents of the starter box. If there are new kits in the starter box, those kits will likely receive a seperate multipart release at a later date. That release may well have additional options. 

Then again, GW might just keep them as is. Intercessors are better than Tacticals ever were in terms of gameplay and rules.

I know this doesn't necessarily mean it'll apply to 40k, but the last launch boxes for AoS and HH have had the sprues that'd later become separate kits, instead of bespoke, launch box exclusive sprues.

[Orange Knight]

11 minutes ago, DeadFingers said:

I know this doesn't necessarily mean it'll apply to 40k, but the last launch boxes for AoS and HH have had the sprues that'd later become separate kits, instead of bespoke, launch box exclusive sprues.

 

Yes, this could happen, and HAS happened with some units like the Outriders, but others such as Intercessors, Bladeguard, Hellblasters, Infiltrators, Inceptors, etc etc etc have received different, multi-part kits.