More 11th Edition Boxset Rumours

[01RTB01]

Weirdly, I really love the new ork boy more than Wazdakka. Gives hope for the rest of the box.

 

Having read about Wazdakka since second ed, I need to see the mini in person because at the moment, I feel naught but disappointment.

 

The evolution of the rules sounds promising. Here's hoping it delivers.

3 minutes ago, KurtanionNZ said:

Narratively, I don't really understand why Ghazghkull is returning to Armageddon for a third time. It's a pretty big galaxy out there. 

 

The only main reason is it's 'home'. However, third time lucky?...

[Silvereyes]

28 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

The description in the Community article is very weird with the idea of combining detatchments so I'm excited to find out more and how broken it'll be.  Being able to craft your own might help make people feel like there's more of 'your army idea' behind their army as opposed to just trying to fit perfectly in a pre-ordained way, but I can think of a lot of ways to abuse that if it's really just "Pick and choose" out of the current selections (necrons could be insane).

 

In the livestream, they talked about the new detachments being smaller, and that you can mix and match the new smaller detachments, or just take 1 old detachment instead. At least, that's how I understood it. I imagine if you could mix and match all existing detachments, there would be lots of broken ones. Especially when Space Marines have access to a ton of them.

[ThePenitentOne]

Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this yet... But the whole "Combining Narrative and Matched" thing really sounds like the death of Crusade.

 

Pick up games will be more interesting, which is nice for people who play them, but campaign games will be less so. If the concept of progression continues to exist at all, they're going to have to simplify it to the point where it's so dull, we might as well not even bother. It'll be the sort of hyper-simplistic prototype progression that existed in 4th edition when they started playing around with Combat Patrol and Kill Team in the BRB, because when it has to be usable in every game, that's about as interesting as they can afford to make it.

 

I could be wrong. I hope I am.

 

I'm not sure I'll buy in if I'm right. Even a GOOD Drukhari release after all these years might not be enough incentive if Crusade is gone.

 

The people at my store are gonna be pissed- we were planning to start a Crusade campaign when the new ed dropped. That's what we get for thinking GW would be wise enough to keep the best innovation they've had in six years... If I'm right.

 

And again, the embarrassment I'll feel for having written a knee-jerk post will be nothing compared to the joy I'll feel if I'm wrong.

 

Edit: Thanks @ThaneOfTas and @Silvereyes for also being concerned about the fate of Crusade.

Edited yesterday at 03:40 AM by ThePenitentOne

[mecanojavi99]

8 minutes ago, KurtanionNZ said:

Narratively, I don't really understand why Ghazghkull is returning to Armageddon for a third time. It's a pretty big galaxy out there. 

Do you really need Ghaz to have any reason to come back to Armageddon other than Yarrick being there?

[Chapter Master Valrak]

[SalamandersBro]

New cover rules and no more round objective markers?  Tell me more.

[Indy Techwisp]

14 minutes ago, KurtanionNZ said:

Narratively, I don't really understand why Ghazghkull is returning to Armageddon for a third time. It's a pretty big galaxy out there. 

 

Ghaz sulked off after a big angry red guy killed his BF but he's back now after some Transhuman Furries brought his BF back to life.

[Indy Techwisp]

Anyway, re: Detachment Merging.

 

I'm gonna assume it works something like this (using old Detachments for examples):

 

I am building my TSons army and have a nice core of Rubricae so I pick Rubricae Phalanx as my Detachment.

But I also want to include a big Winged caster guy and the paint on my Magnus is still drying, so I add the Scintillating Legion Detachment and throw in a Lord of Change and some Horrors for chaff.

 

My Rubrics get All is Dust, my Demons are legal to use and the random Seketar Robots I managed to fit in don't get much of anything.

[Marshal Reinhard]

So, the rumors we've heard earlier seems to pretty spot on. Nothing that really excites-

 

30 minutes ago, jaxom said:

• Vanguard Veterans (x5) with two-handed power swords

 

19 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

Vanguard look to be power swords and plasma pistols here, guessing master crafted, they're also two handed swords.

 

-hold up now!

 

But yeah. Intercessors crusaders I have a lot of, with all manner of head swapped helmets. That said, this is still a welcome integration of more varied bits, with the recent space wolves seeming a good indication of how they're doing it. New speeder has me curious, does look a lot like the older boxy ones. 

 

But this might be the first box in a while that I don't get, instead aiming to poach for the few minis that interest me

[Moonstalker]

36 minutes ago, mecanojavi99 said:

Personally, I'm happy with the updated Intercessors, they have bits from older marks while also keeping the same general aesthetic of the OG ones, the loadout seems to also be the same bolt rifle only as before so I suppose this puts the final nail in the coffin of those expecting Tactical Marines to be brought back.

 

I would really need to see the full Boyz init to get a proper feeling of them, but I like that Boyz are now a hybrid unit.

 

After taking a look at the the trailer and the box art it seems to contain everything Valrak mentioned + some more, since I don't remember anything about a new Ork psyker.

 

Jump Chaplain, Van Vets, Captain, smaller Storm Speeder variant, new Intercessors with older bits and Heavy Bolter Gravis unit for the SM.

 

Ork Warboss, new Boyz, Ork Walker and new Psycker for the Orks.

 

I imagine there's more for the Orks but this is all I could gather.

 

I did not see the Heavy Bolter Gravis in the trailer, which is a shame because they're what I was most interested in as a possible addition to my Wolves.  If they're in there and I missed them, could you screenshot them for me or give me a time stamp scrub through?

[mecanojavi99]

1 minute ago, Moonstalker said:

 

I did not see the Heavy Bolter Gravis in the trailer, which is a shame because they're what I was most interested in as a possible addition to my Wolves.  If they're in there and I missed them, could you screenshot them for me or give me a time stamp scrub through?

They don't show up in the trailer but I'm pretty sure that is what the marine in the lower right corner of the box art is.

[Nephaston]

5 minutes ago, Moonstalker said:

 

I did not see the Heavy Bolter Gravis in the trailer, which is a shame because they're what I was most interested in as a possible addition to my Wolves.  If they're in there and I missed them, could you screenshot them for me or give me a time stamp scrub through?

Haven't seen them in the trailer either, but there is one on the box art.

[sitnam]

23 minutes ago, ThePenitentOne said:

Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this yet... But the whole "Combining Narrative and Matched" thing really sounds like the death of Crusade.

 

This isn't a total reset edition. Even if they don't update crusade, it's very likely the rules from 10th will still be viable. 

[Indy Techwisp]

Just now, sitnam said:

 

This isn't a total reset edition. Even if they don't update crusade, it's very likely the rules from 10th will still be viable. 

 

I believe they explicitly said Crusade still works.

[Moonstalker]

3 minutes ago, mecanojavi99 said:

They don't show up in the trailer but I'm pretty sure that is what the marine in the lower right corner of the box art is.

 

Good catch, though I don't see anything to say that he's not simply a heavy intercessor.  Ideally they only show what you get in the box on the art, but you've got titans, thunderhawks, ancients with banners, etc on there.  I guess we'll know for sure in the coming weeks, but I'm a little deflated having not seen them clearly in the trailer.  I was possibly keen on getting a launch box, but I honestly don't really need any intercessors, or really want vanguard vets, and I'm not sure I can even use a jump chaplain with space wolves.  I'd kinda like to paint some orks so I was fine with getting that side of the box as a bonus, but a heavy weapons Gravis squad sounded like they could find a home in my army as Long Fangs.

[Wolf Guard Dan]

Did anyone catch what they said about changes to activation order?

[mecanojavi99]

5 minutes ago, Moonstalker said:

 

Good catch, though I don't see anything to say that he's not simply a heavy intercessor.  Ideally they only show what you get in the box on the art, but you've got titans, thunderhawks, ancients with banners, etc on there.  I guess we'll know for sure in the coming weeks, but I'm a little deflated having not seen them clearly in the trailer.  I was possibly keen on getting a launch box, but I honestly don't really need any intercessors, or really want vanguard vets, and I'm not sure I can even use a jump chaplain with space wolves.  I'd kinda like to paint some orks so I was fine with getting that side of the box as a bonus, but a heavy weapons Gravis squad sounded like they could find a home in my army as Long Fangs.

It appears to have a Mark V inspired right shoulder pad with bonding studs, which isn't an option in the Heavy Intercessors kit.

 

Also, Blood Angels Heavy Intercessors use red helmets since they are a battleline unit, while the one in the cover art has a blue one which means heavy support, which would be the role a heavy bolter only unit.

 

Based on this 2 pieces of evidence I'm pretty sure that is the rumoured gravis heavy bolter unit.

[ThePenitentOne]

2 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

I believe they explicitly said Crusade still works.

 

They explicitly did not... It was LITERALLY the only thing I was listening for, and believe me, if they had said it, I would not have missed it. I've been worried about this since they announced 11th, so I've been pretty hypervigilant about it.

 

@sitnam 's point IS valid though, and I've already had that thought. The issue is that whenever anything is a house rule, it's harder to find people who will indulge you. I'm not sure everyone in the group at the store will be willing to use 10th ed Crusade rules shoehorned into 11th, nor am I sure that the store will be interested in letting someone run that. I'll reach out to the organizer once GW confirms for sure whether or not Crusade still exists.

 

[Marshal Reinhard]

7 minutes ago, Moonstalker said:

 

Good catch, though I don't see anything to say that he's not simply a heavy intercessor. 

Biggest one would be the blue helmet. That's how blood angels designate their fire support. Heavy intercessors are battleline units so would just get the standard red helmet.

[Wispy]

55 minutes ago, jaxom said:

Sure, that's the cleanest, easiest example they could show. There's only so many ways to patch into Mk10.

I dunno, I wouldn't say things like "that's not the typical mk x armour!" when it's just a kitbash people have been doing for 9 years.

 

I certainly want to give them the opportunity to show something a little more extreme! But I suspect it's something I've now already seen plenty of already painting the Space Wolves army box and they're hoping normal Space Marine collectors have forgotten.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

49 minutes ago, KurtanionNZ said:

Narratively, I don't really understand why Ghazghkull is returning to Armageddon for a third time. It's a pretty big galaxy out there. 

Big fight?

[Moonstalker]

1 minute ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

Biggest one would be the blue helmet. That's how blood angels designate their fire support. Heavy intercessors are battleline units so would just get the standard red helmet.

 

I did actually look that up before posting, but I saw people painting their Heavy Intercessors both ways.  Also noticed the bonding studs.  Those things could both simply be artistic license, though.  I hope you guys are right, but the pessimist/devil's advocate in me says more evidence is needed.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

42 minutes ago, ThePenitentOne said:

Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this yet... But the whole "Combining Narrative and Matched" thing really sounds like the death of Crusade.

 

Pick up games will be more interesting, which is nice for people who play them, but campaign games will be less so. If the concept of progression continues to exist at all, they're going to have to simplify it to the point where it's so dull, we might as well not even bother. It'll be the sort of hyper-simplistic prototype progression that existed in 4th edition when they started playing around with Combat Patrol and Kill Team in the BRB, because when it has to be usable in every game, that's about as interesting as they can afford to make it.

 

I could be wrong. I hope I am.

 

I'm not sure I'll buy in if I'm right. Even a GOOD Drukhari release after all these years might not be enough incentive if Crusade is gone.

 

The people at my store are gonna be pissed- we were planning to start a Crusade campaign when the new ed dropped. That's what we get for thinking GW would be wise enough to keep the best innovation they've had in six years... If I'm right.

 

And again, the embarrassment I'll feel for having written a knee-jerk post will be nothing compared to the joy I'll feel if I'm wrong.

 

Edit: Thanks @ThaneOfTas and @Silvereyes for also being concerned about the fate of Crusade.

I think people who play long campaigns all understand they’re very much on the same page, and can just agree to house rule things.

something that’s not necessarily reasonable with pick up games with strangers or loose acquaintances.

[Marshal Reinhard]

3 minutes ago, Moonstalker said:

 

I did actually look that up before posting, but I saw people painting their Heavy Intercessors both ways.  Also noticed the bonding studs.  Those things could both simply be artistic license, though.  I hope you guys are right, but the pessimist/devil's advocate in me says more evidence is needed.

People yes. GW no.

[-DonCorleone-]

The new captain doesn’t have the robes that the bladeguard captain from indomitus had. I guess the horned dude with the big choppa is the box’s Warboss.