More 11th Edition Boxset Rumours

[Orange Knight]

20 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

For many reasons they absolutely do not fit the niche of the lascannon devastator, the most obvious of which is the strength difference in the weapons profiles themselves. 

 

The Str of the weapon can be changed.

 

I wouldn't get too hung up on rules now as the edition is about to change.

Las Talons used to have the same Str profile as Las Cannons, and they might have it again.

Edited Tuesday at 04:35 PM by Orange Knight

[Karhedron]

56 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

Las Talons used to have the same Str profile as Las Cannons, and they might have it again.

 

They used to be S8 while lascannons were S9 IIRC. But I take your point that stats could change in future.

[Mogger351]

1 hour ago, Marshal Rohr said:

You think a giant visible, contiguous beam of energy from shooter to target is best in the hands of a concealed marksman?

I mean I just highlighted it wouldn't be "giant", nor did I mention a concealed marksman. But to run with the point I'm pretty sure modern special forces use very loud large calibre rifles from concealed locations to take out vehicles, no?

[DemonGSides]

7 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

I mean I just highlighted it wouldn't be "giant", nor did I mention a concealed marksman. But to run with the point I'm pretty sure modern special forces use very loud large calibre rifles from concealed locations to take out vehicles, no?

 

Yeah but modern weapons also don't trace a line directly back to the shooter.  But comparing 40k stuff to modern times is pretty silly on its face.

 

1 hour ago, Orange Knight said:

 

The Str of the weapon can be changed.

 

I wouldn't get too hung up on rules now as the edition is about to change.

Las Talons used to have the same Str profile as Las Cannons, and they might have it again.

 

Sure but there is a difference between the Talon and the Cannon and that shows up across the force, and across editions (there's even some variation in what the Talon even is).  If you want to only deal on hypotheticals, then hypothetically they can do a lot for things. I at least like it to be couched on practicality and possibility. 

Edited Tuesday at 05:45 PM by DemonGSides

[Orange Knight]

1 minute ago, DemonGSides said:

 

Yeah but modern weapons also don't trace a line directly back to the shooter.  But comparing 40k stuff to modern times is pretty silly on its face.

 

 

Sure but there is a difference between the Talon and the Cannon and that shows up across the force, and across editions (there's even some variation in what the Talon even is).  If you want to only deal on hypotheticals, then hypothetically they can do a lot for things. I at least like it to be couched on practicality and possibility. 

 

Talon has slightly shorter range or higher fire rate?

 

I think it was introduced in 7th edition and it was a las cannon that fired twice at half the range. It was on the Stormhawk interceptor, and I'm 95% sure it had the same str back then.

 

Anyways, profiles can be changed, and the Eliminators do need a boost.

[Chapter Master Valrak]

23 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Anybody know how reliable this “Valrak” guy is? Last I heard in his videos he didn’t like us anymore.

 

I like this place, I just dislike you 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

45 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

Yeah but modern weapons also don't trace a line directly back to the shooter.  But comparing 40k stuff to modern times is pretty silly on its face.

 

 

Sure but there is a difference between the Talon and the Cannon and that shows up across the force, and across editions (there's even some variation in what the Talon even is).  If you want to only deal on hypotheticals, then hypothetically they can do a lot for things. I at least like it to be couched on practicality and possibility. 

A modern anti-material rifle may not draw a visible line directly back to the shooter but the gasses coming out of the muzzle brakes they often have blasts dirt, dust, leaves, etc everywhere.

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/jdd9g0pUL-k?si=1T_JvfkUF2dEVsii

Edited Tuesday at 06:31 PM by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Mogger351]

1 hour ago, DemonGSides said:

 

Yeah but modern weapons also don't trace a line directly back to the shooter.  But comparing 40k stuff to modern times is pretty silly on its face.

You're right, it's as silly as comparing it to that well known and documented las-fusil shot you seem to have witnessed to know how well it highlights the shooter.

Edited Tuesday at 07:19 PM by Mogger351

[Marshal Rohr]

3 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

I mean I just highlighted it wouldn't be "giant", nor did I mention a concealed marksman. But to run with the point I'm pretty sure modern special forces use very loud large calibre rifles from concealed locations to take out vehicles, no?

You know people can’t see sound right? Or muzzle flash from the incredibly far distances they shoot? One dude with a concealed position and a .308 can cause an entire platoon to stop in its tracks for hours. If that same guy had a very large, very bright beam of energy tracing directly back to where he shot from, it’s much easier to find him. That’s why laser weapons for snipers in 40K has always been ridiculed. 
 

as for “we don’t know what the beam looks like” yeh you do, it’s the flagship weapon of the sniper class in the best selling and most played visual representation of the IP in decades - space marine 2. And it’s a thicc beam of energy. 

Edited Tuesday at 08:51 PM by Marshal Rohr

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

3 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

You know people can’t see sound right? Or muzzle flash from the incredibly far distances they shoot? One dude with a concealed position and a .308 can cause an entire platoon to stop in its tracks for hours. If that same guy had a very large, very bright beam of energy tracing directly back to where he shot from, it’s much easier to find him. That’s why laser weapons for snipers in 40K has always been ridiculed. 

You know people can’t see laser beams right?

[Marshal Rohr]

8 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

You know people can’t see laser beams right?

You can very much see lascannon, Lasrifle, lasgun, volcano cannon, and heavy lascannon beams and you always have been able to. Also you can definitely see laser beams dude, go kick up a bunch of dust or shoot one through some smoke or better yet put on any kind of augmented vision tool like NODs or thermals. You can’t be that dense, you’re just being contrary. 

[Mogger351]

31 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

You know people can’t see sound right? Or muzzle flash from the incredibly far distances they shoot? One dude with a concealed position and a .308 can cause an entire platoon to stop in its tracks for hours. If that same guy had a very large, very bright beam of energy tracing directly back to where he shot from, it’s much easier to find him. That’s why laser weapons for snipers in 40K has always been ridiculed. 
 

as for “we don’t know what the beam looks like” yeh you do, it’s the flagship weapon of the sniper class in the best selling and most played visual representation of the IP in decades - space marine 2. And it’s a thicc beam of energy. 

You're right, the long range anti-vehicle guys must be stood out in the open in thick armour, it's the only way.

[jimbo1701]

Is it too much for them just to update the devastator squad to Modern proportions? I loved the versatility of that kit. I know it won’t happen as mono loadout is the way forward now but I will miss them. 

[Mogger351]

Just now, jimbo1701 said:

Is it too much for them just to update the devastator squad to Modern proportions? I loved the versatility of that kit. I know it won’t happen as mono loadout is the way forward now but I will miss them. 

In all seriousness, did you ever equip them with a mixed loadout in the first place though?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, Marshal Rohr said:

You can very much see lascannon, Lasrifle, lasgun, volcano cannon, and heavy lascannon beams and you always have been able to. Also you can definitely see laser beams dude, go kick up a bunch of dust or shoot one through some smoke or better yet put on any kind of augmented vision tool like NODs or thermals. You can’t be that dense, you’re just being contrary. 

Lmao you’re comparing laser pointers destructive lasers?

 

a laser capable of burning through skin let alone several inches of armor would simple burn up any dust on its way, so there’d be nothing to see…

[Brother Tyler]

Okay, folks, it's time to get back on topic. This discussion is about rumors of an 11th edition boxed set.

[Karhedron]

46 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

In all seriousness, did you ever equip them with a mixed loadout in the first place though?

 

I did but they were built for a much older version of the game.

[jimbo1701]

1 hour ago, Mogger351 said:

In all seriousness, did you ever equip them with a mixed loadout in the first place though?

Every time. I magnetized them at the waist. 

[apologist]

An Armageddon-themed boxed set sounds like a lightning striking twice! The mixed armour Marines sounds good to me, and I’d be excited to see orks get centre stage of a boxed set again.

[Indy Techwisp]

I wonder if the Jump Chaplain is going to get any weapon options or just some flavour of Bolt Pistol and the Crozius?

[Dark Shepherd]

1 hour ago, Indy Techwisp said:

I wonder if the Jump Chaplain is going to get any weapon options or just some flavour of Bolt Pistol and the Crozius?

If we are going old school the chaplain needs a plasma pistol

[Marshal Rohr]

17 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Lmao you’re comparing laser pointers destructive lasers?

 

a laser capable of burning through skin let alone several inches of armor would simple burn up any dust on its way, so there’d be nothing to see…

Interesting point, can you reconcile that with the lore that you can see las beams in universe or the fact even an iPhone camera without any changes to the settings will pick up the Helios and Iron Dome beams? You’ve always been able to see lasweapon beams, and sticking one on a sniper is foolish. 

Edited Wednesday at 03:33 PM by Firedrake Cordova

[Laurence]

9 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Interesting point, can you reconcile that with the lore that you can see las beams in universe or the fact even an iPhone camera without any changes to the settings will pick up the Helios and Iron Dome beams? You people are ridiculous. You’ve always been able to see lasweapon beams, and sticking one on a sniper is mentally ill. 

Lots of 40k lasweapons fire 'bolts' of light rather than beams, and would be less ineffective as sniper weapons. 

[Nephaston]

41 minutes ago, Dark Shepherd said:

If we are going old school the chaplain needs a plasma pistol

Since it presumably also replaces the BA chaplain I hope it comes with an Inferno pistol.

Or maybe it'll be matched with whatever the vanguard vets can get. Speaking of, maybe the Vanguard vets get shields and hammers back so the can match the jump captain and step on the assault terminators toes again.

 

Still kinda want them to be blinged up phobos in the style of kayvaan shrike, all claws and pistols, but that is probably just me.

 

[Larkhainan]

I would be really shocked if the push fit van vets don't have some really stupid but cool looking loadoat. 

 

Probably like the pushfit Sternguard with wacky mixed weapons. (and then the actual new kit looks even cooler)