Warsmith Kravek Morne + Iron Warriors Upgrades

[Xirix]

I quite like the Warsmith, the upgrade sprue disappoints me, no bionics or anything like that? Boo.

[grailkeeper]

This model looks a lot like the leaked AI image of Perturabo.

 

It might be coincidence. Maybe someone uploaded the description into an Ai for some reason. Perhaps they'd heard a rumor or something.

[Corswain]

1 hour ago, Lay said:

No horns :( 

Damnit, I was hoping for horned MK III helmets

I thought that the kit was pretty solid until I read this and now I have to agree it's a missed opportunity. It also doesn't stack up against the Nemesis Claw upgrades but I guess it's not a kill team kit. Hopefully it's priced accordingly. 

 

Warsmith looks cool though and I like that he's not very Chaos-y. I could use him in 30K pretty comfortably.

[HeadlessCross]

4 minutes ago, grailkeeper said:

This model looks a lot like the leaked AI image of Perturabo.

 

It might be coincidence. Maybe someone uploaded the description into an Ai for some reason. Perhaps they'd heard a rumor or something.

One clawed hand, other has a hammer, two tentacles.........if it was just a random prompt it'd be one hell of a coincidence. 

[Lord Marshal]

1 hour ago, sitnam said:

 

I think the existence of the current Warpsmith model kind of negates the need for a generic IW character. I prefer generic characters, but Undivided CSM needs more characters

 

Fair point, I'd forgotten about the Warpsmith for a minute there.

 

Although getting a Warpsmith in Terminator Armour as well would be cool.

 

Edited January 26 by Lord Marshal

[drjdawg]

From the preview, this looks to cover off the first 4 of 8 snippets:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ycu7gzna/the-new-year-preview-revealed-the-eye-of-terror/

First two are Kravek, second two are the upgrade kit. If this pattern sticks, that means 5 & 6 are the defiler and 7 & 8 are the mutilators. Makes me start to doubt that we will get Pert in this wave. Hopefully in the near future

[SvenIronhand]

Warsmiths and WARPsmiths are different things, people. 

As for the model itself, my only complaint is that it's a named character rather than a generic option. I get that Warsmiths are basically Chaos Lords, but surely you could diversify the rules a hypothetical generic has.

[jaxom]

1 hour ago, Lysimachus said:

The Warsmith is nice, but the upgrade sprue is a lot less than it could be. A few more bionic arms would have been nice, and even a bionic leg or 2 - if memory serves correctly, several of the CSM bodies have one leg that are separate pieces, so designing new bionic ones in CAD to swap out should have been a fairly simple job?

It would have been great for making IW “possessed” units. There was some lore about how IW would surgically remove anything starting to mutate and replace it with cybernetics.

[Mogger351]

1 hour ago, HeadlessCross said:

One clawed hand, other has a hammer, two tentacles.........if it was just a random prompt it'd be one hell of a coincidence. 

Not really? The last wasrmith sculpt had a claw and servo arm, the 30k equivalent iirc has a hammer and servo doodads.

 

Mix in lord disco and warpsmith as reference material and "a much bigger/chunkier version of these guys with a claw and hammer" gets you there.

[phandaal]

2 hours ago, DuskRaider said:

That Warsmith looks… off. The proportions are strange, the legs look way too squat and the tentacles are clunky, particularly the attachment points. Why can’t GW get their proportions right with the new style?

 

It looks like they based him off of one of the Gravis rigs (as in, the file used to make the model), so he carried over some of those proportions.

 

Neat model though. On the other hand, not sure what the upgrade sprue does that a handful of HH bits wouldn't accomplish just the same.

[Nephaston]

minicompare updated, and he is BIG big.

 

 

pumping that protein right into his cranium

[DemonGSides]

I'd take that minicompare with a grain of salt.  Their known to be a bit off at first, especially if we assume he's on a 50 mm base (As one would assume from a CSM Terminator lord), and everyone else you've grabbed there is on a 40mm.

 

He's not so tall compared to other heroes, with a bit of a head on the LOC (Who is a bit lowered due to his stance) but about the same height as an indomitus Termi Captain from the multipart box;

 

[Nephaston]

2 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

I'd take that minicompare with a grain of salt.  Their known to be a bit off at first, especially if we assume he's on a 50 mm base (As one would assume from a CSM Terminator lord), and everyone else you've grabbed there is on a 40mm.

 

He's not so tall compared to other heroes, with a bit of a head on the LOC (Who is a bit lowered due to his stance) but about the same height as an indomitus Termi Captain from the multipart box;

 

 

I get the apprehension, but the 32mm to 60mm range is generally somewhat reliable.

 

Also, this is how he would look if sized to 40mm.

[DemonGSides]

3 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

 

I get the apprehension, but the 32mm to 60mm range is generally somewhat reliable.

 

Also, this is how he would look if sized to 40mm.

 

Minicompare has pretty routine updates that, at least to me, indicate that anything brand new is worth being at least a little skeptical on, especially when someone utilizing it is comparing differently based models.  We've also had multiple situations where actual photos of models next to each other shows different proportions compared to their "Utilize marketing models and hope we're mostly right" that they do.  We had a situation in the art competition for the past year where models had to be reclassified in points because their minicompare was pretty rough when compared to reality.  Hence why I think it's worth taking it with a grain of salt, especially when comparing different size base models.

I don't think he's on a 40mm, just that you only compared him to 40mm based models.  I would expect a model on a larger base to be larger.

Edited January 26 by DemonGSides

[Marshal Loss]

Looks great, fantastic sculpt. I'm have much preferred he was a generic Warsmith though (unless one is coming with the release), if Red Corsairs can get a Reaver Captain then Iron Warriors should be able to get a generic Warsmith that bridges that gap between Warpsmiths & Chaos Lords. 

 

The upgrade sprue is saved by those helmets, which are absolutely brilliant. I'd have liked to see a greater variety of helmet designs as an homage to the classic 3rd edition metal IW upgrade kit, and some horns on the Mark II/III look would have been sick, but they still look really good. The rest of the sprue is just fine though as a longtime CSM player I'll never complain about seeing a chaos thunder hammer. 

 

Now bring on the Defiler! 

[Fluxeor]

I know the article says he's wearing a suit of Cataphractii armour, but it actually looks like a mix of Indomitus and Cataphractii parts and it works well. 
Not enough to make me want to start IW, but still good.

[Nephaston]

4 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

I don't think he's on a 40mm, just that you only compared him to 40mm based models.  I would expect a model on a larger base to be larger.

True, but that is also kind of the point; they are differently based, but the models I used are also all Terminators one might be able to use in an IW army (including the loyalist one if one wants to go for a less spiky variant) And while larger base usually means larger model in some cases it's also just a regular infantry guy for their army on a particularly large rock.

 

That said he will also size up nicely next to fellow 50mm baser Huron and 60mm Abaddon, especially since he has no Medrengard-Pattern TactiRock™.

[01RTB01]

1 hour ago, drjdawg said:

From the preview, this looks to cover off the first 4 of 8 snippets:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ycu7gzna/the-new-year-preview-revealed-the-eye-of-terror/

First two are Kravek, second two are the upgrade kit. If this pattern sticks, that means 5 & 6 are the defiler and 7 & 8 are the mutilators. Makes me start to doubt that we will get Pert in this wave. Hopefully in the near future

 

Perturabo was never supposed to be coming this wave. Valrak has always said later unfortunately. However, later is better than not at all. 

[Borbarad]

Looks cool; looking forward to see the rules.

[Jukkiz]

2 hours ago, grailkeeper said:

This model looks a lot like the leaked AI image of Perturabo.

 

It might be coincidence. Maybe someone uploaded the description into an Ai for some reason. Perhaps they'd heard a rumor or something.

No wonder it looked familiar to me

[sitnam]

2 hours ago, SvenIronhand said:

Warsmiths and WARPsmiths are different things, people. 

As for the model itself, my only complaint is that it's a named character rather than a generic option. I get that Warsmiths are basically Chaos Lords, but surely you could diversify the rules a hypothetical generic has.

 

I understand that they are different, but I think for practical purposes a Warsmith is gonna be sitting in between a normal Chaos Lord and a Warpsmith ( a Lord Disco I suppose) anyways. 

 

I wouldn't mind some legion specific Lord equivalents, but I don't think that's happening soon. 

[The Lost Son]

Something seems off with the perspective to me but it could be a combination of looking on my phone and WarCom's pictures. Looks a great base for conversions for various factions though especially world eaters, iron hands and characadons, also nice as is great to see iron warriors actually getting some love. I wonder if the iron warriors and red corsairs were designed a while back as the upgrades are very similar to the old style of space marine ones whereas you could argue the night lords are closer to the post black templars ones.

Edited January 26 by The Lost Son
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[Jings]

7 hours ago, Jukkiz said:

Am i only one or is IW losing their identity?

 

 

They're identity of being gun metal with bionic and servo arms with minimal decoration beyond hazard stripes?  

 

Warsmith looks amazing. Upgrade sprue is a disappointment but at least the heads are alright. 

Edited January 26 by Xenith
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[Jukkiz]

2 hours ago, Jings said:

 

 

They're identity of being gun metal with bionic and servo arms with minimal decoration beyond hazard stripes?

Riiiight... Reddit lingo is here too.

Anyways, i rather not everything looking too clean or Iron warriors being chaos version of ultramarines in the future. 

Edited January 26 by Xenith

[Scribe]

Huge, that model is a winner for sure.