Should points increase across the board in 11th?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Personally I’ve felt like games have been a little big for table sizes this edition.

 

i often struggle to fit my guard into my deployment zone at 2k

 

for my blood angels, they just don’t feel like a rare elite force when I have 40 infantry, and 2-3 vehicles on the table.

 

as much as I have fun playing most of the time, I also don’t like having to block out 5ish hours of my day to play and travel.

 

increasing points across the board will solve all of these problems to some degree. Am I the only one who feels like this?

[Karhedron]

Just play smaller games. Most people at my club play 1000 or 1500 points for an evening game. Just because 2000 points is the tournament default doesn't mean we have to play that for all games. If points were increased tournaments would just switch to 2500 or 3000 points as their standard. 

[HeadlessCross]

The main draw of 40k versus other games with better rules is the grand spectacle of the game itself. 

 

You can double the points for all I care as long as games are 4000 points instead of 2000. At least at that point the points are granular enough for easier balance. 

[Antarius]

Honestly, I don’t really care. The most important thing is to play games at the size that feels right to you.
 

This edition I had absolutely no interest in the game, until I started playing 500-750 points games and deployment and maneuvering suddenly started to matter again and army building became about prioritising, rather than taking one of each and doubling up on “optimal” choices.
If they doubled the points, I would just play 1000-1500 points, because that’s the army size that appeals to me.

 

So, to make a long story short, I think the points values matter less than the game size and I think the latter is where problems arise, because a lot of people tend to believe that there’s a “correct” game size. I know there are several reasons for this, some of them might even be good, but it’s still a notion that ruins the game for a lot people

[Craig]

From personal experience points seem to have decreased with each edition from 8th to 10th. Whether this was done to encourage people to buy more models I couldn't say but I suspect that has something to do with it. My 2000 point Ork army from 8th barely hits 1000 points in 10th and most of my other armies have dropped significantly from the 2k points they were all hovering around.

[Lathe Biosas]

22 minutes ago, Craig said:

From personal experience points seem to have decreased with each edition from 8th to 10th. Whether this was done to encourage people to buy more models I couldn't say but I suspect that has something to do with it. My 2000 point Ork army from 8th barely hits 1000 points in 10th and most of my other armies have dropped significantly from the 2k points they were all hovering around.

 

I've noticed this too. With the latest round of Imperial Knights. They all dropped in points, so now I see more of them on the tabletops.

[Evil Eye]

Playing on bigger boards might help. Just because GW recommends certain sizes (recommends being the key word here) doesn't mean you have to play on that size- the game isn't going to suddenly break from a nonstandard board size!

[Jukkiz]

I think rules and command point strats bloat should be toned down first. 

[kabaakaba]

25 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

Playing on bigger boards might help. Just because GW recommends certain sizes (recommends being the key word here) doesn't mean you have to play on that size- the game isn't going to suddenly break from a nonstandard board size!

They recommended certain size As a minimal size. So it's don't even break rules some how

[Karhedron]

11 minutes ago, Jukkiz said:

I think rules and command point strats bloat should be toned down first. 

 

I feel that 10th has done a good job of toning down strats and CPs since you only get 1 CP per turn, it limits the alpha strike potential. Also armies only ever get 6 strats plus the core ones. It really limits the killer wombo-combos that you could pull off in 9th edition.

 

As for unit special rules, I actually quite like them. It means that units with similar weapons can function quite differently and have different roles in an army. Take those away and Intercessors/Infiltrators/Incursors suddenly look very similar.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

6 hours ago, Karhedron said:

Just play smaller games. Most people at my club play 1000 or 1500 points for an evening game. Just because 2000 points is the tournament default doesn't mean we have to play that for all games. If points were increased tournaments would just switch to 2500 or 3000 points as their standard. 

I have but the game is currently balanced around 2k