Knight Destrier

[Orange Knight]

59 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Maybe something mire visually in theme with an acastus, or maybe something without arms and a large carapace weapon? Maybe more than 2 legs?

 

It really doesn't take much imagination.

 

Why would it be similar to the Acastus when it was described as a smaller Knight that sits between the Armigers and Questoris?

[Beef]

1 hour ago, Mogger351 said:

Maybe something mire visually in theme with an acastus, or maybe something without arms and a large carapace weapon? Maybe more than 2 legs?

 

It really doesn't take much imagination.

Not really a knight then more like a donkey or beast of burden

[Timberley]

It's like a Khadoran Direwolf and a Cerastus had a baby! It looks fine, but doesn't wow me like the others do. The rocket jets thing sounds like it's straight out of Titanfall, or an Anime, and feels a bit silly. Why not go for an overcharged plasma reactor or something instead? 

 

It almost feels like the design team's brief was to make a 40K Cerastus, but not look too much like a Cerastus. Distinct, but keeping the same design language as the others. Like I say, fine but not outstanding. 

[Mogger351]

2 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Why would it be similar to the Acastus when it was described as a smaller Knight that sits between the Armigers and Questoris?

 

The same way they made it look like a lancer when it's between an armiger and a questoris. Thicker legs, heavy ranged weapon, maybe only on one side of the torso and an imperial equivalent to the havoc launcher on top.

 

I said "in theme with" i.e. the guns on the torso, rounded shape, thick legs. Nothing to do with the size.

 

2 hours ago, Beef said:

Not really a knight then more like a donkey or beast of burden

 

They're knights because they're pilots riding their steed. That's kind of the point of the factions fluff. Knights were originally work vehicles such as in agriculture but they strapped guns on to defend their fief.

Edited Tuesday at 12:40 PM by Mogger351

[Orange Knight]

1 hour ago, Mogger351 said:

 

The same way they made it look like a lancer when it's between an armiger and a questoris. Thicker legs, heavy ranged weapon, maybe only on one side of the torso and an imperial equivalent to the havoc launcher on top.

 

 

Sure, but it also looks like an Armiger and a Regular Knight. Basically fits into exactly what the rumour suggested.

 

You're talking about a giant FW chassis or some tri-legged creation that was never suggested by anyone.

[Marshal Reinhard]

21 hours ago, RedFox said:

I'm surprised by the reaction. To me this is the best looking knight so far.

 

I'm guessing it will cost around 250pts

What I really like about it is that it looks like it'll fit right in with my other knights. A cerastus lancer is a bit too lanky that it makes the Questoris and Dominus look short and stubby. This looks like it'll fit right in. I want to see it in other colours and if it has more aesthetic customizations

[Mogger351]

42 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Sure, but it also looks like an Armiger and a Regular Knight. Basically fits into exactly what the rumour suggested.

 

You're talking about a giant FW chassis or some tri-legged creation that was never suggested by anyone.

The rumour was "fits between an armiger and a questoris, looks like a heresy knight, whatever that means" from the valrak video.

 

Nothing I said deviates from that and for the 3rd time, I haven't suggested anything size wise beyond the rumour, you're seemingly unable to imagine a smaller model using the design language of a larger one for some reason.

 

To add to the legs angle, there are 3 and 4 legged titans noted in the fluff, is it really such a stretch that a knight with more than 2 exists?

[Fire Golem]

I feel like the rumour would have focused more on it having more than 2 legs and less on it being ‘like a heresy knight’ (none of which have more than 2 legs), if that had been the case. 

[Wispy]

Maybe controversial but I like this a lot more as "Lancer" than any of the Cerastus kits.

 

The Cerastus is awkward in everyway. It's lanky design is awkward. It's scale is awkward for the 40k game. It looks awkward and out of place in a line-up of 40k Knights.

 

It's always clear to me the Cerastus was designed to be a Forgeworld mech to march around with other Forgeworld mechs and not to pal around the 40k game. I wouldn't mind seeing it be made less viable in the 40k game or maybe even phased out entirely. 

[Wispy]

20 hours ago, Irate Khornate said:

Nice warjack. 

 

I get knights tend to sell like hotcakes, but this one has me scratching my head and going  "Why?". It offers nothing new. 

 

It offers goldilocks scale. Something sized 'just right' for a tabletop miniature game or a painting project.

 

Painting-wise, I'd much rather graduate to a Destrier after painting a Warglaive or two.

Edited Tuesday at 04:46 PM by Wispy

[brother_b]

I’m feeling the chain glaive may be the better option. I can sweep and attack single “tougher targets” per the article.

 

It looks like a win-win especially as anti armor/monster is available in numerous options with knights.

 

The only caveat would be if you can reliably boost or jet pack into heavy targets that lance might be a perfect option for a throwaway dare I say distraction destrier?

[Robbienw]

34 minutes ago, Wispy said:

It looks awkward and out of place in a line-up of 40k Knights.

 

I think its more accurate to say it makes the other knights look awkward.  Particularly little mini legs Questoris  

[Mogger351]

45 minutes ago, Fire Golem said:

I feel like the rumour would have focused more on it having more than 2 legs and less on it being ‘like a heresy knight’ (none of which have more than 2 legs), if that had been the case. 

Yeah that's fair, but the point still stands that people seem to lack imagination.

 

Not every knight has to be a bipedal model with 2 stubby arms that come out, a central head in the middle of the chest with sloping shoulders and top carapace.

[DuskRaider]

8 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

Kinda agree on more unusual weapons to be a thing, but there's enough 3rd party support you can counts-as with the melee profiles that already exist at least. 

I do agree with this. I don’t think we have any Knight-chassis plasma weaponry at this point (maybe on the Acastus from memory, but that barely counts). Could have done something with that at the very least. 
 

 Never know, might see a Mechanicus pattern with more exotic weaponry. 

[Wispy]

30 minutes ago, Robbienw said:

 

I think its more accurate to say it makes the other knights look awkward.  Particularly little mini legs Questoris  

oh I don't think it's undeniable the questoris needs a new kit to address the legs. But that's a kit issue in my mind, an example of the shortcomings of their first stab on Imperial Knight kits that they were able to address in future kits.

 

I think the Dominus is great and the Chaos Questoris/Abhorrent legs are excellent to the point they may need to consider abandoning the humanoid-leg design for the loyalist questoris.

Edited Tuesday at 05:41 PM by Wispy

[Iron Lord]

47 minutes ago, DuskRaider said:

I do agree with this. I don’t think we have any Knight-chassis plasma weaponry at this point (maybe on the Acastus from memory, but that barely counts). Could have done something with that at the very least. 
 

 Never know, might see a Mechanicus pattern with more exotic weaponry. 

The Knight Defender, a Questoris option, does, as does one of the Knight Dominus variants.

[Evil Eye]

I like the Cerastus myself, it fits the "weird and unsettling relic from a forgotten age" vibe quite well. Also I actually love how creepy and lanky it is, really sets it apart from the more "noble" looking Questoris. Then again I am a firm believer that the only thing standardized in the Imperium is a complete lack of standardization, and I like the idea of Knights varying tremendously in design, being as each one is a bespoke work of artifice treated with reverence by its owners.

To be honest I actually think of all the actual Knights (not counting Armigers due to them being fairly small, bless their steel socks) the Destrier is actually a relatively sensible size for a model meant for "normal" 40K games. I know the cat is well and truly out the bag by now but I really think Questoris and up don't quite work in sub-Apocalypse games, being as they are not much smaller than a Stompa (I think?) and the entire game having to be skewed somewhat to accommodate them as a regular army. The Destrier meanwhile is big enough to feel like an intimidating presence but between the smaller size and short-ranged weapons (meaning it has to close with the foe and can't just sit back and delete the enemy from afar) it seems like something that could reasonably be countered in a more traditional 40K ruleset. It's definitely scraping the ceiling but I'd put it on par with, say, the 3E/4E Tyranid Hierodule as "big scary thing that can bring the pain but costs a lot and is not invincible, and should not be treated as such".

 

Speaking of, plastic Hierodule when, GW?

[SvenIronhand]

10 hours ago, Alby the Slayer said:

They should lean more over the chilvary aesthetic and give us something that feel like a medieval giant robot knight.

 

This is a weird-cuss complaint when it literally has a great helm face, a lance, a pennon showing its heraldry, et cetera.

[Alby the Slayer]

1 hour ago, SvenIronhand said:

This is a weird-cuss complaint when it literally has a great helm face, a lance, a pennon showing its heraldry, et cetera.

 

Etcetera is what? what are the others knightly details?

 

Great helm face is cool, the lance is so short it's much more a knight shortsword if you want to be generous and the pennon is also good.

Now give us some tabard like the other knights, plus add some chainmail, some cool garments.

I want more. And if I want to have this model I will add more, no problem.

But that's my vision, my opinion.

You are cool with this version and find my opinion (not complaint) "weird-cuss".

Fair enough.

 

[Mogger351]

18 minutes ago, Alby the Slayer said:

 

Etcetera is what? what are the others knightly details?

 

Great helm face is cool, the lance is so short it's much more a knight shortsword if you want to be generous and the pennon is also good.

Now give us some tabard like the other knights, plus add some chainmail, some cool garments.

I want more. And if I want to have this model I will add more, no problem.

But that's my vision, my opinion.

You are cool with this version and find my opinion (not complaint) "weird-cuss".

Fair enough.

 

You've got a clear direction there which is good, but the knights aren't knights because of the form of their steeds.

[Mana]

I like it, I don't think is a Lancer replacement, I think is a product that slots between  the Armiger box and the Knight box. The Imperial knights range still needs small units that cost less than the 2 Armiger box.

[01RTB01]

The rocket boots seem a little ridiculous. It's weird isn't it where we draws lines in acceptability considering some of the ridiculousness of the 41st millennium lol.

 

Happy for those that like it but it's not for me. I like the cockpit but otherwise unfussed.

[calgar101]

I quite like it, will definitely add 1 or 3 to my Knight House.

[Wispy]

1 hour ago, 01RTB01 said:

The rocket boots seem a little ridiculous. It's weird isn't it where we draws lines in acceptability considering some of the ridiculousness of the 41st millennium lol.

 

they swordfight with chainsaws 

[Silas7]

13 hours ago, Timberley said:

 The rocket jets thing sounds like it's straight out of Titanfall, or an Anime, and feels a bit silly. Why not go for an overcharged plasma reactor or something instead?

Plasma is hard and rockets are easy.