New Warhammer 40,000 Edition announced!

[Karhedron]

Interesting thought, will "Ignore Cover" also negate the new Hidden rule? If it does, that will suddenly become a very powerful and desirable rule. It is already getting a boost by negating the penalty to Hit.

[Dr. Clock]

55 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

will "Ignore Cover" also negate the new Hidden rule?

Doubt it. Presumably 'Hidden' means 'not visible and therefore not eligible as a target'. If any keyword will negate hidden it'll be Indirect Fire if I had to guess. 

 

Edit to add:

 

I think Plunging Fire will be the turnkey rule to tee up shooting lists, and the availability of it is going to determine how melee stacks against shooting table to table. GW terrain has alot of 5" verticals unless I'm wrong, whereas my terrain is all 3", with 6" for the second floors. 

 

As I start thinking about shooting armies like Guard, AdMech and Eldar, and getting worried about losing 25-33% of my hits, I remember that if I can just get off the floor I'll keep my full BS into cover and my full AP rating, representing a decent increase in effectiveness vs what I can do in 10th. 

 

All that's to say I'm thrilled to have a reason for stuff with Fly to jump up on a building to snipe instead of... never doing that.

 

Oh dang... Also thinking true Aircraft can/should end up with 'Plunging Fire on anything within 12"' as well as Titanic... might give them a bit more utility than they have had in some editions (not holding my breath). Surely if your base is more than 3" high you'd always count as 'above' stuff on the ground ; )

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Dr. Clock

[Paturabo]

17 minutes ago, Dr. Clock said:

Doubt it. Presumably 'Hidden' means 'not visible and therefore not eligible as a target'. If any keyword will negate hidden it'll be Indirect Fire if I had to guess. 

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

 

 

I was thinking about indirect fire. Maybe for guard, an infantry unit with a Vox within 15" can call out an enemy that is Hidden to friendly artillery, allowing the artillery to target the Hidden enemy as though the Vox called for close fire support. 

 

Or maybe the column of Leman Russ battle tanks will have to just get close to Charge range (within the 15") and dispatch cowardly Hidden enemy unit via bolter, stubber, battle cannon, and if it comes to it: the tank commander's sword as he leans out the top hatch. 

 

Now if you excuse me, the Commissar has ordered we affix bayonets and clear out the Ruins that hum with the sound of chainaxes. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Paturabo
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[Dr. Clock]

32 minutes ago, Paturabo said:

Maybe for guard, an infantry unit with a Vox within 15" can call out an enemy that is Hidden to friendly artillery, allowing the artillery to target the Hidden enemy as though the Vox called for close fire support. 

I wouldn't be surprised to see this kind of 'spotting' mechanics end up in a detachment, but it does seem like Indirect is easier to make 'good but not unbalanced' if it can shoot at anything visible to one or more units in the army, while still always giving cover if out of sight, and keeping the 4+ shooting cap. Then with a +1BS Order your Basilisk is shooting non-visible units at 4+ but keeping its full AP, which seems like a decent solution without likely leading to pure leafblower situations since you'll still need to close with something to spot the Hidden stuff. The other scenario is that Indirect remains middling or poor in effectiveness, but still comes at a premium price : (

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.