Horus Heresy - Scouring Expansion

[Captain Idaho]

To not get lost in a 40K thread, here is the dedicated news topic for this bit of news.

 

Valrak has heard in this here video that there is going to be an expansion to Heresy set in the Scouring.

 

 

 

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On a personal note, I'm relishing this. Want it badly as 40K is just not 40K in feel to me anymore and a Scouring can have Orks, Eldar and Dark Eldar and even Tyranids and Necrons apparently according to their Codex books (which I'm not the fan of but hey ho, maybe they can live in 40K).

 

More importantly, we'll see some flexibility for races never before seen potentially, factions that are different and new MK7 Marines, as the god-Emperor intended.

 

Man I'm excited for this and hope it's true.

 

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Financial investment and economic focus... it makes sense yes. As AoS is rumoured to be facing an End Times due to stagnation and GW wants the year on year growth and it can't be 40K every year.

 

So expanding the HH which in their eyes might be limited for that as a mainline system makes sense. And Scouring opens that door hard.

[Mogger351]

4 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said:

To not get lost in a 40K thread, here is the dedicated news topic for this bit of news.

 

Valrak has heard in this here video that there is going to be an expansion to Heresy set in the Scouring.

 

 

 

***

 

On a personal note, I'm relishing this. Want it badly as 40K is just not 40K in feel to me anymore and a Scouring can have Orks, Eldar and Dark Eldar and even Tyranids and Necrons apparently according to their Codex books (which I'm not the fan of but hey ho, maybe they can live in 40K).

 

More importantly, we'll see some flexibility for races never before seen potentially, factions that are different and new MK7 Marines, as the god-Emperor intended.

 

Man I'm excited for this and hope it's true.

 

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Financial investment and economic focus... it makes sense yes. As AoS is rumoured to be facing an End Times due to stagnation and GW wants the year on year growth and it can't be 40K every year.

 

So expanding the HH which in their eyes might be limited for that as a mainline system makes sense. And Scouring opens that door hard.

What factions might you expect to see extra? I can't see them introducing xenos for any reason and it'd risk the dreaded cross-pollination 

[MARK0SIAN]

I have to agree with Mogger351, I think any scouring game will stay focused on Loyalists V Traitors. Certainly in the early days. The Scouring is the story of precisely that, the Scouring of the traitors after the siege of Terra. I’m not saying there were no Xenos involved at all but they’re very much background characters at this point in the timeline. 
 

It’ll still be cool to get updated mk7 and if the new Primarch model rumours are true that will be awesome too but I’d definitely advise tempering expectations for anyone expecting something radically different from the current HH game.

[redmapa]

Between this rumor and the new Speeder being the same as the old speeder Im feeling real hopeful about a new Castraferrum dread!  

[Mogger351]

2 minutes ago, redmapa said:

Between this rumor and the new Speeder being the same as the old speeder Im feeling real hopeful about a new Castraferrum dread!  

Not to be a negative nancy but mk7 stuff and the old dreads are about all you should expect to see I think.

[irlLordy]

I'd be excited to see rules and lore for successor chapters. I have a 40k Black Consuls army (2nd founding), and it would be great to get more info on them, or be able to play them.

[darkhorse0607]

Maybe unpopular opinion but

 

Id rather see them focus on actually finishing the updates for the mainline Heresy first, i.e. tartaros terminators, MK4/5, destroyers, recon, etc before putting out MK7, characters, etc for the Scouring. There's still a ton of stuff they havent finished updating, and the Heresy team doesnt have a great track record of multitasking

 

Rules is whatever

[Mogger351]

10 minutes ago, darkhorse0607 said:

Maybe unpopular opinion but

 

Id rather see them focus on actually finishing the updates for the mainline Heresy first, i.e. tartaros terminators, MK4/5, destroyers, recon, etc before putting out MK7, characters, etc for the Scouring. There's still a ton of stuff they havent finished updating, and the Heresy team doesnt have a great track record of multitasking

 

Rules is whatever

There's no excuse they can't use the scouring as a catalyst to also release those things as they're also contemporary to it. That's the point really, there isn't much, if any, difference in model range beyond a dread chassis and mk7 being more populous.

[ThaneOfTas]

I do have to agree that I wouldn't expect much in the way of Xenos, even if they should be present. If we are lucky I could see a PDF list or two similar to the Daemons one, but unless GW gets way more cool about cross system models than they have been for the last few years, I just don't see it happening.

[Marshal Loss]

The Scouring is a really fascinating period that I'd like to see fleshed out and it would bring a lot of awesome new models and interesting scheme opportunities (I'd love to do yet another EC army showing the transition between my 30k EC force and my 40k EC force), but I've got mixed feelings about it if this is something they're intending to launch in the nearish future. 

 

There is simply so, so much left to touch upon in the actual heresy. Betrayal came out nearly 14 years ago and despite a lot of bouncing around the timeline it feels like we're a very long way from ever seeing the Siege of Terra appear in a campaign supplement. Part of this is no doubt due to the game's scope changing as it became more successful, changes in staffing, and now big plans to relaunch essentially the entire marine line in plastic. But I really miss HH 1.0's early years when it felt like were actually progressing through the timeline and building towards something (i.e. Terra). All of the journal releases (and 2.0's campaign releases) feel very scattershot in comparison. 

 

I don't doubt the design team's passion for the setting but I do think their ambitions have sometimes outstripped their ability to deliver given their limited resourcing. 

 

We'll see what they have in mind for the Scouring, and whether this is something that's going to land in the next couple of years or if it is quite a while off yet. But I'd like to see them get some serious runs on the board in 30k before committing to another huge undertaking with the Scouring. Let the novel series pan out for a while, build some hype, tick off some of the major campaigns that 30k fans are still waiting to see appear in a campaign supplement, and finish laying the foundations of the revamped plastic 30k model range. If the Scouring dropped in the near future and we're left bouncing around between two timelines while still waiting for 30k's hits to make it to the tabletop I'd be pretty disappointed. 

[Marshal Rohr]

1 hour ago, darkhorse0607 said:

Maybe unpopular opinion but

 

Id rather see them focus on actually finishing the updates for the mainline Heresy first, i.e. tartaros terminators, MK4/5, destroyers, recon, etc before putting out MK7, characters, etc for the Scouring. There's still a ton of stuff they havent finished updating, and the Heresy team doesnt have a great track record of multitasking

 

Rules is whatever

This expansion will be far enough out the last two marks will drop and the expansion will come with the mark 7 refresh. The units that don’t get finished in time are probably going to legends forever. 

[mecanojavi99]

1 hour ago, redmapa said:

Between this rumor and the new Speeder being the same as the old speeder Im feeling real hopeful about a new Castraferrum dread!  

The new speeder isn't the same as the old, from the trailer it seems to be a mini version of a Storm Speeder.

[Robbienw]

Massively looking forward to this 

[Crimson Longinus]

21 minutes ago, mecanojavi99 said:

The new speeder isn't the same as the old, from the trailer it seems to be a mini version of a Storm Speeder.

 

It looks more like the old speeder than that old speeder looked like the one preceding it. 

[Mmmmm Napalm]

It's funny that this gets announced in the wake of my decision to sell many of the HH miniatures I've accumulated as Ive already got enough in my backlog. Admittedly the Scouring piques my interest more than HH.

 

Really what excites me here is the prospect of an updated Castaferrum. If they release that, no way that venerable chassis is staying in the 32nd millennium. adios, Redemptor.

[Marshal Rohr]

I think people should be wary of xenos inclusion because of how they’ve handled old world. 

[LSM]

42 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

I think people should be wary of xenos inclusion because of how they’ve handled old world. 

 

That's a good point. If TOW isn't allowed to touch certain things due to AoS, then the current Orks, Eldar, etc kits would probably likewise be "40k only".

 

(Maybe those Exodite rumours are for 30k? ;P)

[Marshal Loss]

Laugh react on my poor innocent wall of text, Rohr? 

 

But yeah I don't really see Xenos being a thing, particularly with GW's current move away from utilising models in multiple systems. ThaneOfTas's PDF suggestion feels more likely to me if they were minded to do them. 

 

It makes sense that Xenos wouldn't spring out of the woodwork the second Horus was obliterated either, the threat would have taken time to build up and gradually draw more and more of the Imperium's attention. 

[Khulu]

How would this be different enough from regular HH to justify?   

[ThaneOfTas]

15 minutes ago, Khulu said:

How would this be different enough from regular HH to justify? 

I sincerely doubt that this would be a separate game system, merely a set of units and missions more suited to the scouring era, hopefully alongside some additional plastics, but still being part of the base Heresy game.

[BadgersinHills]

I'm going to agree with @Marshal Loss, I'd like to see more on the late Heresy and Siege of Terra especially. Especially agree that the Black Books building up through the Heresy was quite exciting and I'm sorry to see that gone. 

 

This would be interesting though, I was just considering starting a Scouring Space Wolves army.

[Marshal Rohr]

5 hours ago, Marshal Loss said:

Laugh react on my poor innocent wall of text, Rohr? 

 

But yeah I don't really see Xenos being a thing, particularly with GW's current move away from utilising models in multiple systems. ThaneOfTas's PDF suggestion feels more likely to me if they were minded to do them. 

 

It makes sense that Xenos wouldn't spring out of the woodwork the second Horus was obliterated either, the threat would have taken time to build up and gradually draw more and more of the Imperium's attention. 

That was supposed to be heart! I have fat fingers!

[Robbienw]

3 hours ago, Khulu said:

How would this be different enough from regular HH to justify?   

 

The models are the justification mate.

[Pacific81]

This setting is such a great idea for a number of reasons. As Captain Idaho had said above it allows a crossover of aliens & Heresy marines. It can also serve as a 'port in the storm' for those of us that haven't enjoyed the direction that the 40k timeline has moved in with new releases (Primaris, Primarchs returning etc.) and would like to see things like MKVII again. 

 

My concern is how this will fit with the Heresy ruleset & having tonnes of marines on the board - what will be the Ork equivalent points wise, how will you fit them all on a 6 x 4?!

Also I think by the time of the Scouring the survivors are decorated veterans, carrying scars (and maybe new arms & tentacles for chaos!) leading to a lot of modelling and conversion/individualisation opportunities. My gaming group and I found that this didn't 'fit' with the Heresy ruleset and its dozens of bulk identikit marine squads; if you have spent a month converting and painting a veterans squad you don't want them removed by a pie plate template and one dice roll in a game. As such because we are grognards we are mixing between using Shadow War for Armageddon (for skirmish) and 40k 2nd-ed (for squad-level) games. There is a link here if anyone is interested:

Sons on the Run - A scouring-era project

[Mogger351]

51 minutes ago, Pacific81 said:

This setting is such a great idea for a number of reasons. As Captain Idaho had said above it allows a crossover of aliens & Heresy marines. It can also serve as a 'port in the storm' for those of us that haven't enjoyed the direction that the 40k timeline has moved in with new releases (Primaris, Primarchs returning etc.) and would like to see things like MKVII again. 

 

My concern is how this will fit with the Heresy ruleset & having tonnes of marines on the board - what will be the Ork equivalent points wise, how will you fit them all on a 6 x 4?!

Also I think by the time of the Scouring the survivors are decorated veterans, carrying scars (and maybe new arms & tentacles for chaos!) leading to a lot of modelling and conversion/individualisation opportunities. My gaming group and I found that this didn't 'fit' with the Heresy ruleset and its dozens of bulk identikit marine squads; if you have spent a month converting and painting a veterans squad you don't want them removed by a pie plate template and one dice roll in a game. As such because we are grognards we are mixing between using Shadow War for Armageddon (for skirmish) and 40k 2nd-ed (for squad-level) games. There is a link here if anyone is interested:

Sons on the Run - A scouring-era project

There will not be orks is the simple answer, it seems a little weird to think the HH base game will suddenly get xenos in an expansion focused on loyalists hunting traitors.