theSpirea Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 That reminded me of TBA. Looking back at that series, they published 12 books in just 12 months. Sure, the books were only around 50K words each, about half the length of a typical BL novel, but it's still insane when you think about it. We got Ashes of Imperium in November, eight months ago!!!, and there hasn't been a single word about the sequel. Then BL wonders why none of its new series can get people interested. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388080-the-closing-of-the-necromancy-thread-and-its-consequences/page/3/#findComment-6179456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkhorse0607 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 44 minutes ago, theSpirea said: the sequel. Ah yes, Warhammer: Horus Heresy: The Scouring: Ashes of the Ashes of the Imperium It is surprising. I went back and looked, and they first announced Ashes on July 18th of last year. So they had four/fiveish months from preview until release, and then we are on month 8 of nothing being mentioned about a sequel. At this rate the we will be on book 3 in 2030 Roomsky and DarkChaplain 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388080-the-closing-of-the-necromancy-thread-and-its-consequences/page/3/#findComment-6179459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wecanhaveallthree Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Bold of you to assume there will be a sequel. The Scouring might very well go the way of Ynnari, never to be mentioned again. McNeill should have written the entire Heresy, with Haley taking over when McNeill needed to sleep. Between their output we'd have it done in six months, with a random Ventris book in the bargain. Dalmyth, Ubiquitous1984 and DarkChaplain 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388080-the-closing-of-the-necromancy-thread-and-its-consequences/page/3/#findComment-6179484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 The Ynnari were such a funky idea to bring into the setting... It really ticks me off that they were just basically eliminated like that. Roomsky, Dalmyth, Ubiquitous1984 and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388080-the-closing-of-the-necromancy-thread-and-its-consequences/page/3/#findComment-6179491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkhorse0607 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 hours ago, wecanhaveallthree said: Bold of you to assume there will be a sequel. I do think we will get something eventually, but my pet tin foil theory that I am nursing is that they're deliberately slowing it down until the game system has a chance to catch up in a year or two (or four or ten given how hot and cold the artist formerly known as Forgeworld is with it) They know that game system gets more popular when there are novels to go with it. Yes, it existed before Horus Rising, and will continue now that the Siege is over, but it earns more when people are caught up in the novels Valrak has been rumoring for a long time that there is some sort of expansion for 30k that will be Scouring focused. He hasnt had a lot of details, but I fully expect it at some point, and I could see them holding the majority of the Scouring until they launch that. They clearly dont hold Black Library in high regard, so I dont think it would bother them much to have downtime there Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388080-the-closing-of-the-necromancy-thread-and-its-consequences/page/3/#findComment-6179492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wecanhaveallthree Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 (edited) Be real with me, darkhorse. Do you think Black Library are deliberately withholding completed novels for some 5D chess reason? Or do you think it's more likely that the fact there hasn't been a squeak, a peep, a moue of a scrap of a crumb of advertising for the much-awaited second Scouring novel is dot dot dot... the same issues that afflict the rest of Black Library has afflicted the Scouring, too? E: Or it just didn't make enough money to justify running it back? Edited July 15 by wecanhaveallthree i live, i love, i edit, and i am content Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388080-the-closing-of-the-necromancy-thread-and-its-consequences/page/3/#findComment-6179494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto69 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Black Library DEFINITELY hold novels back (or are told to). One example being TBA. Abnett wrote the first novel years before the series actually started to appear. Then they fluffed it with condensed time for other authors to hit the once per month schedule meaning at least two books had similar plots! I also know from a very good source that pretty much every novel is finished and on the stocks a good 9-12 months before we see it. But yeah…The Scouring seems odd! DarkChaplain 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388080-the-closing-of-the-necromancy-thread-and-its-consequences/page/3/#findComment-6179498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolmeus Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 (edited) 2 hours ago, DukeLeto69 said: I also know from a very good source that pretty much every novel is finished and on the stocks a good 9-12 months before we see it. Also a fact that one can easily confirm: Just look at one of the introductions for a book often used in the limited edition and see the date when it was written. Than compare that date with the actual publication. There are near always 9 months at least between Edited July 15 by Tolmeus Ubiquitous1984, DarkChaplain, DukeLeto69 and 1 other 2 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388080-the-closing-of-the-necromancy-thread-and-its-consequences/page/3/#findComment-6179506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 I mean, they held WHFB stuff back even way back when, to a point where it never got released before the End Times killed the system and put an end to BL covering it. Some of Josh Reynolds' short stories got lucky and went into Hammer & Bolter at some point iirc, but that's that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388080-the-closing-of-the-necromancy-thread-and-its-consequences/page/3/#findComment-6179559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scorpion Posted July 16 Author Share Posted July 16 (edited) On 7/14/2026 at 9:11 PM, DarkChaplain said: The Ynnari were such a funky idea to bring into the setting... It really ticks me off that they were just basically eliminated like that. Because the whack writers don't know the concept ins interesting on its own and can be used for things that are not the 40k End Times. If I were in charge of the Ynarri plot, the next plot point would be to free Isha, because the last cronesword too deep in Slannesh territory and the nex exodite faction is coming. Isha in Nurgle's garden is also a perpetually unfired Chekov's Gun. Freeing isha would give each non-drukhari subfaction their own Eldar god, as an echo of the greater Chaos Gods in their respective domains. Khaine/Khorne Isha/Nurgle Cegorach/Tzeentch Ynnead/Slannesh Not only would this soothe my terminal autism, it would also give the Ynarri more things to do than just fighting Slannesh, such as actively fighting Chaos in general. I would also let some Heamonculi join the Ynarri, because there is no way the Nemesines would not care about the death magic of the Ycarne, and they even had their pro-Ynnead Phoenex faction back in the day. Just because they are evil doesn't mean they cannot support it out of self-interest. A world spirit avatar-of-Isha type model, the new dragon riders, and a big fkn dinosaur with a howdah could make about 55% of an Exodite army lineup. They could be like the Harlequins or beast-snaggas, their own mini-faction. Edited July 16 by The Scorpion Ubiquitous1984, Loquille, Roomsky and 1 other 2 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388080-the-closing-of-the-necromancy-thread-and-its-consequences/page/3/#findComment-6179696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wecanhaveallthree Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Talking about xenos, huh? BORING Let's talk about OUTCAST DEAD instead. For the oldheads around, was there actually any in-depth description of Terra or the Unification Wars before Outcast Dead started to sketch Terra as a horrid melting pot? I've been cultishly re-reading McNeill books of late (he will return, aiat) and I'm once more struck by how much depth he puts into his characterisation of Terra. I've also been getting really into Battletech of late, so the whole 'random samurai tracker' thing reads a lot less jarringly that it did previously - or perhaps I've simply matured and know more about the proto-states of UW-era Terra. I'm also struck by Outcast Dead as a dreadful critique of the Imperium's melting pot policies (and, perhaps, globalism as a whole). The rewriting of history, the loss of language and cultural identity (made even more poignant in Ashes where we find that the current population of Terra is, by and large, not actually descended from Terran ancestral stock but rather civilian imports) are, obviously, part of what the Imperium does everywhere else, but the vision of Terra being no exception is particularly striking (cos' when it happens elsewhere, it's OK, but when it happens at home, it sucks). I think that's something that goes unremarked often in discussions: the Imperial Truth was a great leveller across the galaxy. It's also possibly why the image of the 'Terran' Russ hits home in Wolfsbane. Russ asks if that's how he was 'supposed to be' or should have been, which even the... whatever it is... doesn't answer squarely. The Emperor made use of so much imagery, symbology and mythology, but his Imperium was destroying that uniqueness across the galaxy. To really sound like a nerd, FLCL has the most on-the-nose interpretation of exactly such a thing, with an interstellar organisation literally terraforming planets with giant irons, which the show explicitly says is 'flattening out the wrinkles' and that everyone will have to learn to 'think smooth' (I GET IT, IT'S LIKE A BRAIN, IT'S ERASING INDEPENDENT THOUGHT, I'M A CLEVER BOY). I don't think people quite twig that the Emperor wasn't just making everything 'Terran', he was redefining what 'Terran' actually meant (and it wasn't going to be some dominant culture from Terra, it was going to be what the Emperor thought was best). A new galactic standard, a new galactic culture, imprinted so firmly and totally what came before wouldn't exist. DarkChaplain, Felix Antipodes, lansalt and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388080-the-closing-of-the-necromancy-thread-and-its-consequences/page/3/#findComment-6180341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 People fail to understand two very important things: First, this entire forum serves as a "book club" where members are free to discuss all the fiction, both written and visual, about the Warhammer 40,000 setting. Second, a single freeform topic is terrible for content discovery and findability. That kind of engagement works fine on Discord, Reddit, Quora, and other similar sites, but it fails to make proper use of the discussion forum format and underserves the community. Yes, it's easy to just pop into a single topic, post about whatever crosses your mind, and then move on. And yes, it can be interesting to see how a topic wends and weaves through a variety of subjects. It doesn't allow for people to engage in any depth, however. And people might be interested in specific subjects that crop up in the course of such a discussion, but then they have to work their way through a variety of other subjects in which they might have little/no interest to pick up all the posts about their subjects of interest that appear in pages and pages of a single amorphous discussion. To avoid repeating something I've said before, here's a link to an editorial providing an explanation of the site's content architecture: https://bolterandchainsword.com/blogs/entry/143-content-architecture-at-the-bolter-chainsword-an-editorial-of-sorts/. That explanation is as true for freeform "discussions" as it is for off-topic posts. More importantly, it demonstrates the importance of discussions having an appropriate level of focus. There are a lot of great ideas that come out in discussions, and the replies that have appeared so far in this discussion are a great example of the range of ideas that deserve to be discussed by members of the community. Do everyone a favor, however, and be willing to put in the minimum of effort required to create distinct topics for separate subjects. The depth of engagement enabled by such discussions is far greater than that allowed by random wall post style discussions. grailkeeper, DarkChaplain, LemartesTheLost and 9 others 11 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388080-the-closing-of-the-necromancy-thread-and-its-consequences/page/3/#findComment-6180392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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