Kaius Konorius (Death Mire Week 2)

[ThaneOfTas]

4 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

This is why I'm of the opinion that all Marines should be in one book, or they should be spread across two - the same way they do it in the Horus Heresy. One codex for all the generic units and army rule, and a 2nd codex supplement for the chapter lore, all unique units and rules.

So long as it didn't coincide with a reduction in options/units or fluff (not that fluff can get much lower than 10ths offerings) then I'd be all for that.

[HeadlessCross]

21 hours ago, Cleon said:

It might be a controversial take, but apart from the well established units and named Characters, I'd rather get more minis like Karlaen and the Lt, who are 'this is an ornately sculpted Blood Angels version of a legal character set up, but don't add any new rules', than get 'here is new character, here is his new datasheet and his new rules' I don't need balancing and rules workloads to get heavier, I just like nice models.

Amazing you got a bunch of agrees, but when I've suggested "not every kit needs bespoke rules" I get met with resistance. 

[Orange Knight]

16 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

Amazing you got a bunch of agrees, but when I've suggested "not every kit needs bespoke rules" I get met with resistance. 

 

I am disappointed that models like the Terminator Captain are not compatible with the Terminator upgrade sprue. It seems obvious that we would want to dress up the heroes in the army even more than the line troops.

[LSM]

On 7/8/2026 at 8:10 AM, Son of Rawl said:

Its been along time since we have seen a dedicated Ultramarine Codex.

This is 31 years old now...

 

(Pedantically) 2nd ed didn't have a "Codex: Space Marines", so Codex: Ultramarines basically... was that. The book was for playing a "Codex Chapter", focusing on (and exemplified by) the Ultramarines.

 

(Sitting alongside Codex: Space Wolves and Codex: Angels of Death, for the divergent Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and Dark Angels.)

 

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Aside: as I checked some things I got caught up re-reading from Codex: Ultramarines and this popped out at me. "...Each Chapter was to number approximately a thousand fighting warriors divided into ten companies of a hundred. This was never intended to be an absolute rule but a guide which enabled the Adeptus Terra to monitor and control the size of each Chapter. In fact, Chapters have often exceeded this basic strength during times of prolonged war."

 

Edit: second aside: "The Codex Astartes further defines the tactical roles, equipment specifications and uniform identification markings of the Space Marines. These guidelines have been much modified over the centuries, and the Codex Astartes of the forty first millennium is a highly developed treatise combining the wisdom of hundreds of military thinkers throughout history. Some of its contents seem petty and restrictive, hardly worthy of the great mind of the Primarch. Others describe actual battles together with comments on the tactics employed and the decisions of the commanders on the spot. As such the Codex Astartes is revered as a holy text and many Chapters regard its recommendations as sanctified by the Emperor himself." 

 

Interestingly, the Codex is presented from the off (in the 41st Millenium) as a historical document of multifaceted, potentially dubious authorship. Some Chapters treat it as the gospel word of Guilliman, but there are contents that seem "hardly worthy" of him. (Perhaps, as in the Greek tradition, later authors were writing as if they were Guilliman for rhetorical purposes; that fact got lost over time, and two self-described "Codex Compliant" Chapters could schism over what is actually Codex Compliant. "How dare you, the Codex clearly says that our Lord Guilliman defines blah-blah-blah!" "You fools, that's obviously a post-Age of Apostasy insert by Chapter Master whos-its-whats-its!")

Edited yesterday at 03:05 PM by LSM

[Rhavien]

1 hour ago, LSM said:

 

(Pedantically) 2nd ed didn't have a "Codex: Space Marines", so Codex: Ultramarines basically... was that. The book was for playing a "Codex Chapter", focusing on (and exemplified by) the Ultramarines.

 

(Sitting alongside Codex: Space Wolves and Codex: Angels of Death, for the divergent Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and Dark Angels.)

 

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Aside: as I checked some things I got caught...

Those were the times of wonder. Ironically this tome of wisdom has become a source of old and uncertain knowledge itself.

Edited 23 hours ago by Rhavien
Typo

[MoriyaSchism]

 

Saw someone point this out on Instagram. That's pretty rough. This once again makes me question if there's any QA checks or comparisons with other CAD models before they ship the design to make the machinery for the factory. 

[Blindhamster]

45 minutes ago, MoriyaSchism said:

Saw someone point this out on Instagram. That's pretty rough. This once again makes me question if there's any QA checks or comparisons with other CAD models before they ship the design to make the machinery for the factory

I think it’s intentional to fit in the increased height gorget. I don’t think it’s incorrect or even an issue 

[darkhorse0607]

58 minutes ago, MoriyaSchism said:

 

Saw someone point this out on Instagram. That's pretty rough. This once again makes me question if there's any QA checks or comparisons with other CAD models before they ship the design to make the machinery for the factory. 

 

Are we talking the wings being curved? I feel like if they hadn't done that, the wing on the left side of the helmet (our right) would be hitting the rim of the shoulder pad. The victrix guard all have the option of having a without a higher trim on one side so you can finagle the wings, since they put two higher trimmed pads on this guy I have a feeling they curved the wings so you can actually turn the head without it hitting something if you want to

[Jukkiz]

so what´s the issue there? Victrix guard helmets seemingly looking small or not fitting in primarinades? 

[Nephaston]

The helmet is seemingly molded with its crest, so it's presumably turned 90° on the sprue meaning instead of having space behind the wings it is solid plastic. Should be easy to paint dark to camouflage it or file away if it's such a bother.

[Mogger351]

7 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

 

They can spread the release wave over a few months. 

 

At least everyone will know where they stand. And it would benefit the game balance - something which is a major focus of GW currently. 

Well no, not everyone wants ti sit through 3-4 months of continuous marine releases.

 

It doesn't benefit game balance any more than releasing anything else would and nobody knows where they stand any more than they do now apart from marines.

 

If anything outpouring what I imagine will be ~150 detachments inside of 1 balance pass can't be a good idea.

[Orange Knight]

23 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Well no, not everyone wants ti sit through 3-4 months of continuous marine releases.

 

It doesn't benefit game balance any more than releasing anything else would and nobody knows where they stand any more than they do now apart from marines.

 

If anything outpouring what I imagine will be ~150 detachments inside of 1 balance pass can't be a good idea.

 

Of course it benefits the game. All Marine armies get updated in one go. Other releases aren't slowed.

 

My suggestion would have them release less individual books, and they could get to all the factions quicker.

 

As for detachment bloat - they have to do something about that. Sometimes less is more.

[Blindhamster]

1 hour ago, Orange Knight said:

less

Fewer

[Evil Eye]

7 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

Amazing you got a bunch of agrees, but when I've suggested "not every kit needs bespoke rules" I get met with resistance. 

There's a world of difference between "It'd be nice to get some alt-sculpts for HQ choices for variety's sake, named or otherwise" and "Let's take away the things that make these factions actually play differently". One is wanting more options to represent one unit, the other is wanting to get rid of rules flavour that we already have.

 

5 hours ago, MoriyaSchism said:

 

Saw someone point this out on Instagram. That's pretty rough. This once again makes me question if there's any QA checks or comparisons with other CAD models before they ship the design to make the machinery for the factory. 

That's a bit weak, yeah; not ideal, not the worst thing in the world but a bit lame considering GW prices and supposed prestige. Sure, it can be fixed but you really shouldn't have to.

[Shinespider]

I don't get the complaint. It's a different helmet and it's modelled differently.

[ThaneOfTas]

8 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

Amazing you got a bunch of agrees, but when I've suggested "not every kit needs bespoke rules" I get met with resistance

Because you were suggesting to take rules away from existing units, not adding new models for existing datasheets. Its a pretty obvious difference.

[jaxom]

I thought it was about releases like:

 

They're named characters, but they are not Epic Heroes.

Edited 15 hours ago by jaxom
Grammar is hard.

[Evil Eye]

3 hours ago, Shinespider said:

I don't get the complaint. It's a different helmet and it's modelled differently.

I don't think it's an unreasonable complaint; the helmet wings actually being separated from the sides of the helmet looks better. It's not a deal-breaker but it is disappointing.

[HeadlessCross]

3 hours ago, ThaneOfTas said:

Because you were suggesting to take rules away from existing units, not adding new models for existing datasheets. Its a pretty obvious difference.

So the moment this guy is given bespoke rules, you'll want them to stay?

4 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

There's a world of difference between "It'd be nice to get some alt-sculpts for HQ choices for variety's sake, named or otherwise" and "Let's take away the things that make these factions actually play differently". One is wanting more options to represent one unit, the other is wanting to get rid of rules flavour that we already have.

Terminators with robes should have the same rules as Terminators without robes. This is not an offensive belief despite the insisting that Dark Angels aren't Space Marines. 

[01RTB01]

Do we need to keep the petty arguments going?

[ThaneOfTas]

1 hour ago, HeadlessCross said:

So the moment this guy is given bespoke rules, you'll want them to stay?

Yes. This is not an unreasonable position, losing rules is worse than never having gotten them.

 

 

[WrathOfTheLion]

The wings not being separate look to be a fairly pragmatic choice, given the model design. Overall, it looks like a pretty good model, and I'm glad to see Ultramarines get a nice looking and distinctive model and character set.

[Mogger351]

11 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Of course it benefits the game. All Marine armies get updated in one go. Other releases aren't slowed.

 

My suggestion would have them release less individual books, and they could get to all the factions quicker.

 

As for detachment bloat - they have to do something about that. Sometimes less is more.

 

We might have to agree to disagree, but like I say GW would never drop what is essentially a full years worth of 40k releases at once for marines, it'd hurt the bottom line too much and it's too big of a release.

 

The second you say spread it out over a few weeks/months then thats the same total time span as if they'd just released them individually, but back to back.

 

As a result those weeks/ months are windows other armies could have dropped, hence slowing things down.

 

There were more than 50 space marine kits throughout 10th as a reminder.

Edited 9 hours ago by Mogger351

[Orange Knight]

You have a point about the number of kits, but Games Workshop doesn't have to release the models in the same window.

 

We're being told that 40k is a competitive game, and GW update us with regular performance and tournament data, yet their release patterns are counterproductive to this focus.

 

One way to get around this would be to have a proper digital codex that gets updated. They could and should add units to a PDF codex, and even provide people with an "easy-print" version that condenses the content. 

 

I guess we're going off topic. I just bring this up because every edition you end up with a few chapters that wait years to get their updated rules, and it's not fun for those collectors.

[Wispy]

15 hours ago, MoriyaSchism said:

 

Saw someone point this out on Instagram. That's pretty rough. This once again makes me question if there's any QA checks or comparisons with other CAD models before they ship the design to make the machinery for the factory. 

 

This looks like an intentional desire to have more of a bucket shaped helm that wraps around the helmet rather than flare out. the flared out wings would probably rub against the raised pauldron on the shoulder pad so they adjusted the design.

 

in any case, if its not to you taste, there's plenty of similar heads in the Victrix Guard box that have the flared wings that you can go and glue a broom on to.

Edited 8 hours ago by Wispy