More Space marine units going to Legends

[Lathe Biosas]

Just now, Emperor Ming said:

Good who didn't hate centurions

 

Raven Guard players. I swear they were the sole buyers of Centurions in 10th Edition.

[NothingHere]

This kind of just cements that marines aren't allowed to be interesting or cool anymore. You get a sliver of something interesting (like the new captain on bike) or a holdout of something that realistically shouldn't ever be retired and has been around since the inception of modern 40k. 

 

Now Marines are just Eldar. What is cool about this faction again? That we get 300 new models every week and only 2 of them are worth a damn? Why play another faction when we just shove everything into this one with nothing unique of their own. Hover tanks? Play Marines, Jetbikes? Play Marines, Aspect Warriors? What the :cuss: is an Eldar? PLAY MARINES. 

 

The tactical squad isn't even going to legends they are just straight up deleting it. Nothing to even replace it either; Intercessors are as boring as they ever were. Now all the actually cool tanks are gone too. Glad i bought another Baal Predator before they become 400$ on the aftermarket. Good riddance to the bunker and supressors i guess. 

[TheWarmaster]

2 hours ago, Astartes Consul said:

Uriel Ventris character mogged by the Chad Captain Titus. RIP.

 

On a more serious note, seeing GW officially embrace proxies like this is something I never thought I’d see. 

 

Officially embracing proxies.. for now. 

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

2 hours ago, Ahzek451 said:

Curious about chaos. 

 

Careful. That's how it starts.

 

2 hours ago, SpecialIssue said:

Interesting how they've gotten rid of Suppressors as well - while I welcome it (they look far too over-designed and visually unbalanced to me) I'me surprised GW would walk back on a unit so (relatively) quickly. 

 

The Suppressors have become the suppressed.

 

Edited yesterday at 07:25 PM by Lord Nord in Gravis Armour

[phandaal]

7 minutes ago, Emperor Ming said:

Good who didn't hate centurions

 

I like them... But I'll admit I have no idea how to do anything useful with them except show my opponent they are facing a true man of culture.

[Tawnis]

I'd originally put this in one of the other threads about this topic, but this seems to be where everyone is discussing it at the moment. 

 

There is another thing to consider. They said that the old Tactical Squads will now be "Legendary Proxies" and can count as Intercessor Squads... however, the old Tacticals had a variety of special weapons they could equip. Is this hinting that in the new codex, Intercessor Squads will get some of the weapon customization options that the old Tacticals had? 

 

The pic on Warcom only said what they were showing was "some of the weapon profiles" 

[Doghouse]

4 minutes ago, Tawnis said:

I'd originally put this in one of the other threads about this topic, but this seems to be where everyone is discussing it at the moment. 

 

There is another thing to consider. They said that the old Tactical Squads will now be "Legendary Proxies" and can count as Intercessor Squads... however, the old Tacticals had a variety of special weapons they could equip. Is this hinting that in the new codex, Intercessor Squads will get some of the weapon customization options that the old Tacticals had? 

 

The pic on Warcom only said what they were showing was "some of the weapon profiles" 

 

It's possible I guess, I think it's probably more likely all will be counts as bolters. I am perfectly prepared to eat humble pie if they did open up those options and think that would be a good addition to them, never been a fan of the Heresy template for 40k squads.

[Captain Idaho]

Huh, I remember more than a few people arguing so forthrightly that Firstborn are not being replaced and GW aren't replacing my financially expensive collection that I dedicated my finite time painting.

 

I guess I was completely overreacting.

Edited yesterday at 07:50 PM by Captain Idaho

[Blindhamster]

1 hour ago, MoriyaSchism said:

I would absolutely hate for that to happen. I hate the Horus Heresy 2.0/3.0 scale, weird Necromunda style scale with with nearly skintight helmets. It's Space Marine Heroes Series 1 but with tiny hands and heads, just looks off. 

pretty much guarantee that's the only way we see pure mk7 kits make a return. 

14 minutes ago, Tawnis said:

I'd originally put this in one of the other threads about this topic, but this seems to be where everyone is discussing it at the moment. 

 

There is another thing to consider. They said that the old Tactical Squads will now be "Legendary Proxies" and can count as Intercessor Squads... however, the old Tacticals had a variety of special weapons they could equip. Is this hinting that in the new codex, Intercessor Squads will get some of the weapon customization options that the old Tacticals had? 

 

The pic on Warcom only said what they were showing was "some of the weapon profiles" 

There is a full image in the video, no new weapon options

[Crimson Longinus]

1 hour ago, Captain Idaho said:

Huh, I remember more than a few people arguing so forthrightly that Firstborn are not being replaced and GW aren't replacing my financially expensive collection that I dedicated my finite time painting.

 

I guess I was completely overreacting.

 

It has been clear from the moment the image of the first primaris leaked that the old style marines would be done for. It actually took longer than I expected.

 

I think it is pretty rude not to even give them legends rules though.  And same with the suppressors. They look nothing like inceptors. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 08:56 PM by Crimson Longinus

[Marshal Reinhard]

It took 9 years. Every argument was made. Every counter was made. Hard to accurately gauge the most prevailing opinions without hard data.

[Rhavien]

1 hour ago, Tawnis said:

I'd originally put this in one of the other threads about this topic, but this seems to be where everyone is discussing it at the moment. 

 

There is another thing to consider. They said that the old Tactical Squads will now be "Legendary Proxies" and can count as Intercessor Squads... however, the old Tacticals had a variety of special weapons they could equip. Is this hinting that in the new codex, Intercessor Squads will get some of the weapon customization options that the old Tacticals had? 

 

The pic on Warcom only said what they were showing was "some of the weapon profiles" 

Well, you have your special and heavy weapon in a ten man tac squad. You get two grenade launchers in a ten man intercessor squad and the sarge gets his cc and pistol options. Sounds kinda fine?

[lansalt]

32 minutes ago, Rhavien said:

Well, you have your special and heavy weapon in a ten man tac squad. You get two grenade launchers in a ten man intercessor squad and the sarge gets his cc and pistol options. Sounds kinda fine?

Until they can carry a heavy and a special weapon, Intercessors will never be fine as a tactical squad replacement.

Devastators could be replaced by several of the heavy weapons units, but the flip flopping between tacticus and gravis marines is nonsense. And the lack of a proper missile launcher is an obvious failure (No, desolators do not count)

[No Foes Remain]

It's both annoying and kind of stupid that GW have placed all the other old firstborn marines into Legends, including Assault Marines, but haven't with Tacticals or Devastators which I would have thought would be fairly simple unless they don't want people using them for whatever stupid reason?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

So what’s happening to terminators and gravis units in terms of T?

[Blindhamster]

wouldnt be surprised if we see assault marines leave legends frankly

[Indy Techwisp]

13 minutes ago, No Foes Remain said:

It's both annoying and kind of stupid that GW have placed all the other old firstborn marines into Legends, including Assault Marines, but haven't with Tacticals or Devastators which I would have thought would be fairly simple unless they don't want people using them for whatever stupid reason?

 

Personally I think GW made the call to have them be "official proxies" because then they can blanket allow them at offical tourneys without opening the door to broken Legends nonsense like old Crisis Suits.

 

Also possible they predicted far larger and more vitriolic backlash if they actually sent Tacticals and Devastators to Legends proper.

8 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

wouldnt be surprised if we see assault marines leave legends frankly

 

Iirc Assault Marines are jump troops with melee weapons.

Is that not basically what JPAIs are?

[Evil Eye]

1 hour ago, Crimson Longinus said:

It has been clear from the moment the image of the first primaris leaked that the old style marines would be done for.

It most certainly was not. The 8th edition launch articles even said "Don't worry, pre-Primaris Marines aren't going anywhere!" and certainly that was the official line GW store staff went by. You can try and argue we should have read between the lines or not treated this as a promise or whatever but the fact is GW lied.

 

Whatever; between the increasingly terrible designs of modern miniatures, the atrocious direction the rules are going in and the large stash of STLs, second hand models and old rulebooks I've been hoarding I can see my future GW purchases getting incredibly few and far between. Printer going brrr will continue until morale improves.

[Orange Knight]

5 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

It most certainly was not. The 8th edition launch articles even said "Don't worry, pre-Primaris Marines aren't going anywhere!" and certainly that was the official line GW store staff went by.

 

They didn't go anywhere for years.

 

They couldn't retire the old range immediately because it took years of releases to fill every role that would be lost, but it was obvious that Primaris were a replacement as time went on.

 

GW took too long and it poisoned some people. That was their biggest mistake.

Edited 23 hours ago by Orange Knight

[Indy Techwisp]

2 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

GW took too long and it poisoned some people. That was their biggest mistake.

 

Honestly, I'd like to see the sales numbers for Tacticals and Devastators since 8th.

 

The Firstborns were kept initially because the rollout was godawful, but every Primaris Lore change since has dragged them back down into the mud to the point that now they effectively are "just marines" once more, mixing Armour marks about like the old days because the supply chain of brand new stuff from Mars has run out and we're back to business as usual.

They have finally become the upscaled regular marines they should have been from the start.

[Crimson Longinus]

3 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

It most certainly was not. The 8th edition launch articles even said "Don't worry, pre-Primaris Marines aren't going anywhere!" and certainly that was the official line GW store staff went by. You can try and argue we should have read between the lines or not treated this as a promise or whatever but the fact is GW lied.

 

Yes. And it was obvious that they did. (Granted, the models did stay for nine years, so I guess it could be argued that they were in a sense truthful at the moment.) But seeing the new improved design it was crystal clear that this was what the marines would look like going forward an there was no going back. It was only the question how fast the replacement would be, not whether it was happening. I shelved my old lovingly converted and painted marine army there and then, and started a new primaris force and haven't looked back. 

 

3 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

Whatever; between the increasingly terrible designs of modern miniatures, the atrocious direction the rules are going in and the large stash of STLs, second hand models and old rulebooks I've been hoarding I can see my future GW purchases getting incredibly few and far between. Printer going brrr will continue until morale improves.

 

I'm on fence on the rules,* the models overall are better than ever of course, even though I didn't like the new bike captain. 

 

* Though regardless of the actual quality of the rules, the pace of change is certainly exhausting. So if one has a like-minded group, I can certainly see the appeal of just playing one's preferred old edition and stop worrying about the churn. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

43 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Personally I think GW made the call to have them be "official proxies" because then they can blanket allow them at offical tourneys without opening the door to broken Legends nonsense like old Crisis Suits.

 

Also possible they predicted far larger and more vitriolic backlash if they actually sent Tacticals and Devastators to Legends proper.

 

Iirc Assault Marines are jump troops with melee weapons.

Is that not basically what JPAIs are?

No.

 

assault marines could take two special weapons along with a Sgt having a special melee weapon and pistol, and then 2 more marines with pistol/chainsword

[Orange Knight]

I imagine those kits sold very well for years. They would be popular just for the various bits and helmets, and they had usable rules, and had further utility in the Horus Heresy.

 

I also think that those sales slowed right down over the past edition as their rules became less relevant, and more and more hobbyists lost attachment to the older models, or never had any to begin with. 

 

The Primaris are as old now as Marines were when I first joined the hobby. There are near 10yr hobby veterans that have only known Primaris, and the current lore developments are as natural to them as the static setting was to us in 3rd to 7th editions.

Edited 22 hours ago by Orange Knight

[Hfran Morkai]

Interesting.

 

I'm glad I picked up a couple of Mars pattern Predators and a Phobos Land Raider a fair while back for my Heresy projects (my fluff was that they were easier to produce and therefore were in-theatre replacements).

 

Does feel somewhat end of an era but with the possibility of the Scouring, Badab  etc we could see some cool stuff like Castaferrum Dreads get updated.

[Wormwoods]

Hey, everyone got an extra decade with their tactical squads. Could have been worse.