Space Wolf supplement AND POINTS leaked

[Apokalypsi]

I think WGT are going to be good as 5-man units to hold objectives while tactical termies are going to be the go-to bricks for offense with Logan and Arjac.

[TiguriusX]

4 hours ago, Hear da Lamentation said:

Wow - this seems to suck.

Are we really saying Wolf Guard Termies are the poor choice now?  I dont have the costs for new SM codex,

 

I've not done this before, but I'm all in on 10 temies + Arjac + Logan as my army anvil, so ...

 

10 WG Terminators with SS and Master Crafted (so 4W each)

1 Axe

2 PF and AC

Arjac

Logan

 

Vs

 

10 Terminators with ??? (What do you suggest equipment wise)

Arjac
Logan

(and would have to have ancient to get the -1 to W if S above T)?

 

What's the cost difference?

 

I was thinking of mixing and matching with WG termies (which might be a strength?)  

1 Axe, 2 PF + AC

7 SB + mcw

(to take advantage of Devastator Doctrine)

 

Or 

 

1 Axe, 2PF + AC

4 SB/mcw 3 SS

 

Or are the chain fists just blowing our WG out the water?

 

HDL

 

Regarding wolf Guard Terminators 

 

SB were buffed to S5 AP1

Assault cannon is S6 AP2 (no more dev)

 

shooting rapid fire SB is now worth considering instead of taking storm shield and melee weapon

 

[Karhedron]

12 hours ago, Madic said:

10 Tactical terminators with chainfists and cyclone missile launcher is 400p with an ancient 470 or 475 compared to 380 i think for 10 WGT but what logan does for that unit is insane. It will threaten anything, consistently one round c'tan, knights, even primarchs.

 

Is the recommendation all Chainfists? I was thinking 1 or 2 per 5.

[Madic]

5 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

Is the recommendation all Chainfists? I was thinking 1 or 2 per 5.

 

The way I see it, if you want to be able to one-shot big things like a c'tan, knight or primarch you need all chainfists. It will leave you a bit vulnerable to elite infantry but logan can pick up the slack now. 4 missle shots and 48 5 -2 1 boltershots with reroll 1s and sustained (and lethal if you want to spend a CP) will soften most targets as well (~10 wounds on a c'tan with lethals or almost a full squad of 3 new custodian guard). But these guys are meant to hunt big stuff. If you want to hunt elite infantry thunderhammers or lightning claws are the way to go. Remember however, this is just the math. I haven't had a chance to test it out yet.

Edited yesterday at 01:05 PM by Madic

[Madic]

17 minutes ago, Madic said:

 

 

Edited yesterday at 01:04 PM by Madic

[TiguriusX]

6 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

Is the recommendation all Chainfists? I was thinking 1 or 2 per 5.

 

IMO you need to go all in to guarantee a dead vehicle/monster

 

There is no more oath for rerolls

 

Defensive abilities for -1 to be hit will be taken more often since they have value in a world with no oath

 

CF is A3 WS3 S12 AP2(3 bc terminator buff) D3 versus monsters/vehicles

 

you can run those numbers through math hammer apps

 

 

 

[Madic]

1 hour ago, TiguriusX said:

 

IMO you need to go all in to guarantee a dead vehicle/monster

 

There is no more oath for rerolls

 

Defensive abilities for -1 to be hit will be taken more often since they have value in a world with no oath

 

CF is A3 WS3 S12 AP2(3 bc terminator buff) D3 versus monsters/vehicles

 

you can run those numbers through math hammer apps

 

 

 

There is however a mini oath strat in SotGW, reroll 1 and 2s. It's the only one of its kind that I have seen in any of the detachments.

[TiguriusX]

23 minutes ago, Madic said:

There is however a mini oath strat in SotGW, reroll 1 and 2s. It's the only one of its kind that I have seen in any of the detachments.

 

I believe the mini oath is for rerolling wounds.  Super powerful but doesnt apply to hit dice.

[Madic]

1 hour ago, TiguriusX said:

 

I believe the mini oath is for rerolling wounds.  Super powerful but doesnt apply to hit dice.

 

From the goonhammer review

 

• Eye of the Pack (1 CP): Used on one of your INFANTRY units in the Fight phase when they’re picked to attack. They can re-roll hit rolls of 1 or 2 until the end of the phase. Baby Oaths for a CP in a re-roll light book? With access to Sustained 1? I’m here for it. 

[Madic]

I know that Michael Mann said reroll to wound on art of wars review but the name of the stratagem would make a lot more sense if it indeed is rerolls to hit.

[TiguriusX]

31 minutes ago, Madic said:

I know that Michael Mann said reroll to wound on art of wars review but the name of the stratagem would make a lot more sense if it indeed is rerolls to hit.

eye of the pack was formerly +1 to wound

 

makes perfect sense to me if the reroll is wounds instead of hits

 

https://www.tabletopbattles.com/detachment-focus-saga-of-the-great-wolf

 

This preview has wounds

 

 

The joys of guessing leaked content correctly

 

Either way I am going 100% chain fists

 

SW Logan + Terminator brick is gonna be good times

 

 

 

[Madic]

11 minutes ago, TiguriusX said:

eye of the pack was formerly +1 to wound

 

makes perfect sense to me if the reroll is wounds instead of hits

 

https://www.tabletopbattles.com/detachment-focus-saga-of-the-great-wolf

 

This preview has wounds

 

 

The joys of guessing leaked content correctly

 

Either way I am going 100% chain fists

 

SW Logan + Terminator brick is gonna be good times

 

 

 

Ah they seem to have made an error initially, updated the tab, now it says reroll to wound. Pity reroll to hit would have really boosted the lightning claw termies.

[Hear da Lamentation]

22 hours ago, TiguriusX said:

eye of the pack was formerly +1 to wound

 

makes perfect sense to me if the reroll is wounds instead of hits

 

https://www.tabletopbattles.com/detachment-focus-saga-of-the-great-wolf

 

This preview has wounds

 

 

The joys of guessing leaked content correctly

 

Either way I am going 100% chain fists

 

SW Logan + Terminator brick is gonna be good times

 

 

 

I'm thinking the same.  The chainfists are just too good against the big stuff to ignore.  As Tigurius also said, the "lots of stormbolter" shots are also something not to be ignored.

 

I've spent a long time painting Arjac, so I'll be going

Logan

Arjac

10 Terminators 10cf, 8sb, 2 cml

 

Expensive - but gunna kick like a mule.

Obviously the big thing the opponent can do is try to ignore the unit and keep out of combat - but agressively stick in the middle of the board on an objective would seem a good idea....?

 

HDL

[TiguriusX]

1 hour ago, Hear da Lamentation said:

 

Obviously the big thing the opponent can do is try to ignore the unit and keep out of combat - but agressively stick in the middle of the board on an objective would seem a good idea....?

 

 

 

IMO the absolute worst thing an opponent can do is ignore the terminator death star

 

If you don't get touched you use the Gunship Extraction strat (1CP) and put your terminators into reserves at the end of their fight phase

 

In your turn you bring them back down in ideal kill range...shoot target 1 and charge target 2 with anywhere from +1 to +3 on the charge depending on how you built your army

 

It is highly likely you get to delete 2 enemy units every turn with the terminator death star if your opponent tries to run away

 

Even if they manage to tag you so you can't uppy/downy there are good odds you tank it (remember there is a 2CP terminator strat for -1 damage)

Then you just fall back shoot and charge back in with your super Logan giving all doctrines all the time

 

I built my list hoping my opponent has to commit and wipe the terminators with a heavy investment of resources...which leaves the GHs free as the counter punch

10 GHs with 36 attacks at S6 AP3 D1 + sustain + lance is no joke to go after the biggest threat remaining on the table

I'm hoping after my opponent and I have exchanged haymakers and removed each others death stars that the GHs and their new stat lines can outlast the surviving stuff my opponent has

 

Then I sprinkle in my firestrikes with overwatch to pick off random infantry running around to prevent easy scoring

 

It did great in my first practice game

I have another one set up for this evening with a modified list

 

Spoiler

2000	Total	I always feel like someone is overwatching me
150	Logan
400	10xTerminators (SB/CF + CML)
10	Furious Assault
190	10xGHs
20	Linebreaker Onslaught
190	10xGHs
20	Linebreaker Onslaught
75	Phobos Captain or Librarian
20	Imperium's Sword
90	5xIncursors
65	5xScouts
20	Linebreaker Onslaught
130	Venerable Dread
160	2xFirestrike Servo Turrets with Autocannons
160	2xFirestrike Servo Turrets with Autocannons
160	2xFirestrike Servo Turrets with Autocannons
70	Rhino
70	Rhino
	Gauntlet Task Force	Recon
	Terminator	Priority Assets
	Assault Brethren	Take and Hold
	Disposition	Take and Hold

 

Edited 3 hours ago by TiguriusX