Daeothar Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 All right. Firstly (and belatedly); congrats to Aurelius Rex, I only just saw... Then; although I had some fluff outline up some time ago, I wasn't quite satisfied with it. I decided to rewrite the fluff, lengthening it extensively in the process. I'm curious what you all think of it. Be warned; it's long... In time, I want to turn this into a fullfledged Codex, complete with armylist, photo's, artwork, the works. Think the 3rd ed Codex Dark Angels in size and composition. I might even print one or two examples (for personal use only of course) to wow any opponents... :huh: Here we go: The Fiery Lions The Fiery Lions are a fairly unknown chapter, even though they have an ancient heritage, dating back to the 7th Founding, around 502.M30. They have no home world and the extensive fleet they have for a base, is never to be found in one place at a time. Individual detachments do not often linger in any one area for long and even when they do, they usually keep away from populated systems whenever possible. The chapter excels in boarding actions and deep space operations and is therefore often called upon to patrol shipping lanes and enforce the Emperor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/65722-fiery-lions-fluff/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Rex Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 Thanks, D. Codex Firey LIONS printed off for reading this evening. Due to the amount of work you have put into this, it could take some time, but I will get back to you. :blink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/65722-fiery-lions-fluff/#findComment-745093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexTalionis Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 Very cool background fluff. I'm curious as to the relationship between the Chapter and the Adeptus Mechanicus. I would imagine that there would have to be more techmarines than usual in your chapter, what with all the modifications to ships and things that go "clonk" in the engineroom! I would also speculate that with the rumors of archeotech that the Mechanicus would be watching the Fiery Lions very, very closely.... Good stuff man. Lex Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/65722-fiery-lions-fluff/#findComment-745214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 Blois Van Treslong, Van Speyck, Wilhelmus Van Der Docken... Someone knows his history. Is the captain of your first company Brother-Captain Michiel de Ruyter by any chance? Or is it Piet Heyn? :blink: But seriously, it's some excellent fluff. I really like the WIC theme you have for you chapter. Do you use chapter traits or are you going to make your own rules in your upcoming Codex (for friendly games, of course)? By the way, do you have pictures of your models? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/65722-fiery-lions-fluff/#findComment-745321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 I've read the first half - through part of "The Unguis Leoninus" section (you've definitely put in a lot of work, so I will have to come back and finish reading the rest) - and so far it sounds great. It actually has a very original feel to it and is one of the few I've read that doesn't have many unbelievable parts. Keep up the good work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/65722-fiery-lions-fluff/#findComment-745338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeothar Posted February 2, 2005 Author Share Posted February 2, 2005 Cheers AR :blink: Take your time; I know I can get a bit carried away at times... Very cool background fluff. I'm curious as to the relationship between the Chapter and the Adeptus Mechanicus. I would imagine that there would have to be more techmarines than usual in your chapter, what with all the modifications to ships and things that go "clonk" in the engineroom! I would also speculate that with the rumors of archeotech that the Mechanicus would be watching the Fiery Lions very, very closely.... Excellent angle! Thanks. I will delve into that a bit more, there's some nice plothooks there to exploit... Blois Van Treslong, Van Speyck, Wilhelmus Van Der Docken... Someone knows his history. Is the captain of your first company Brother-Captain Michiel de Ruyter by any chance? Or is it Piet Heyn? :huh: Hey; someone recognised the background. Cool. -_- I wanted it to be subtle but yet discernable to those who know about Dutch history. The whole idea for this chapter came to me when I jokingly said I would make an orange marine to represent the dutch football team in a thread in which someone showed a marine in his favourite (american) football team's colours. Because the closest GW colour is Fiery Orange and the most obvious Dutch symbol a lion, the name was born. It took till the Chapter Master competition for me to actually start them and flesh out the background. Since the Golden (17th) Century is the Netherlands' most illustrious era, I chose that as a theme, with a shipborne, VOC/WIC based background. The close combat emphasis mostly came from the name (Fiery) and the lion theme, which suggest fierceness and just screams close combat to me. But seriously, it's some excellent fluff. I really like the WIC theme you have for you chapter. Do you use chapter traits or are you going to make your own rules in your upcoming Codex (for friendly games, of course)? As for traits, they'll probably have 'No Mercy No Respite', 'Take The Fight To Them' and 'Eye To Eye'. I will create some special characters for them too, most notably Van Speyck, who will have the 'Lion Claws', basically two mastercrafted Lightning Claws and some additional fluff etc. I'll make it so, that I will be able to use the army unaltered in both friendly and tournament games. By the way, do you have pictures of your models? Here's a link to my Fiery Lions Chapter Master entry thread, where you'll find some pics of the minis sofar (they were an extreme rushjob and will be repainted when they're returned to me though, there's just too many sloppy mistakes and cut corners for me not to flinch when I look at them...). carpandean, thanks, glad you liked it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/65722-fiery-lions-fluff/#findComment-745467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Rex Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Daeothar, that was a good read, with an original twist so they are still recognisably marines, but with a distinct history all their own. Here are some initial thoughts - lunchtime is fast running out - but I will add to these when I get a chance to organise my thoughts better. First, the Fiery Lions appear as a variant of the Black Templars, in that they are fleet-bound, but seem to specialise in boarding actions and cityfight actions. Given your love of the older GW models and armour variants, have you considered having the chapter use large stocks of the old armour variant that was designed for ship boarding actions? I can't remember the mark, but I think it had a very IW style helmet. Similarly, the first through the breach in the enemy ship (Forlorn hope?) would be in severe danger, perhaps with a great chance of death. The Forlorn hope could be a place of honour that marines jump at the chance to take, with consequently increased chances of promotion for those that survive long enough. :P This may only be needed when you don't just teleport on board the enemy ship. Because of the cramped conditions they like fighting in, are devestators and tanks / transports extremely rare in your chapter? More later... +++ Edit: A bit more... The chapter has a feel of a privateer, by which I mean a pirate given license by a government (the imperium / =][= charter) to raid enemy ships... a nice idea, if a bit un-Astartes like. The 'treasure map' bit reinforced this impression :P From reading the codex I got the impression that on occasion they may have overstepped their bounds and actually attacked loyal imperial vessels just to get the booty. Nicely ambiguous, but you can tell me by pm if they really did it or not. Hehe. OT: I am currently reading a good, if long set of books set between 1664 and 1715, involving the Dutch on the high seas among other diverse topics that you may be interested in looking up. It is the Baroque cycle by Neal Stevenson, composed of 'Quicksilver', 'The Confusion' and 'The System of the World'. I only mention as it fitted in well with your piratical themed thread. Aurelius. +++ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/65722-fiery-lions-fluff/#findComment-746734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rymeer Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 Again my Greetings Daeothar, I liked reading your IA entry and chapter fluff. Basing a chapter off 17th century Dutch privateers is a neat idea. I thought the commander pics were done well, as was the model itself, even though I prefer the more 'modern' looking models myself. I hope to see more of your chapter pictured in future postings, and will also hopefully soon have at least a few pics of my first squad of the Crusading Lions posted within a week or so. I doubt my pics will come out as well as yours did, simply due to my having an OLD digital camera without Macro view. But, one does the best one can for his Emperor with the supplies on hand. May your Prey fall quickly to your claws, and may the Great Lion of Terra watch over you until we speak again. Rymeer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/65722-fiery-lions-fluff/#findComment-749033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkdung Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 A fantastic read and very original Daeothar! Just coming back from a visit to Amsterdam, I really appreciate the story and the tie in to the Dutch fleets. A few things... The Fiery Lions are a fairly unknown chapter, even though they have an ancient heritage, dating back to the 7th Founding, around 502.M30Considering the 2nd founding was in M33 and the Heresy took place in the beginning of M31 Id shoot for a different date. defended the crippled flagship of Grand Admiral Tellerius against massive boarding attempts by Sororitas Brides of the Emperor. Sororitas as we know them didnt come into existance until the Decree Passive after the Apostasy in 288.M36 the remaining 8 marines managed to overcome every mutiny, got the remaining loyal crew into shape and eventually deliver the damaged gargantuan ship to the Fiery Lions fleet.Emperor Bless these lads! They should have all been made Chapter Masters!Im just enjoying the images in my head of 8 loyal marines trying to passify thousands of slaves on a ship 30km long...good on them! And Im sure, all done with Bolters and Chainswords! Given your love of the older GW models and armour variants, have you considered having the chapter use large stocks of the old armour variant that was designed for ship boarding actions? I can't remember the mark, but I think it had a very IW style helmet. Mk III armor. It was considered assault armor, as the front of it was bulked up, leaving the rear less armored. Nice for boarding ships! I really enjoy the thought and depth of character you put into your Chapter. The lion theme really stands out, as does the Dutch. (Chasing ships around and then disappearing, only to show again if help is needed, reminds me of, just that, a lion playing with game, or toys, meandering off and then back into the frey; for he is noble after all) All in all superb! Some areas could use some tightening up, there is an occassional redundant word or two, and some misspelling (Im trying my darndest to be as thorough as I can ;) ), but again, truely a great piece of work. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/65722-fiery-lions-fluff/#findComment-749052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeothar Posted February 6, 2005 Author Share Posted February 6, 2005 Daeothar, that was a good read, with an original twist so they are still recognisably marines, but with a distinct history all their own. I liked reading your IA entry and chapter fluff. Basing a chapter off 17th century Dutch privateers is a neat idea. A fantastic read and very original Daeothar! Thanks a lot guys; glad you liked it. Given your love of the older GW models and armour variants, have you considered having the chapter use large stocks of the old armour variant that was designed for ship boarding actions? I can't remember the mark, but I think it had a very IW style helmet. Mk III armor. It was considered assault armor, as the front of it was bulked up, leaving the rear less armored. Nice for boarding ships! Indeed! I'm considering delving into the Technique-that-shall-not-be-discussed to produce adequate amounts of Mk3 armour parts like chestplates and helmets to mix with the Mk6 and Mk7 marines. This army is going to be made up mostly of all the new stuff though; lots of plastics etc. (my DA are all about mixing all variants, as they are slotted a couple of centuries after the Heresy, while my fledgling Imperial Fist army is made up solely of RT era minis and represents the IF during the Siege of Terra). But you'll definitely see some Mk3's in there! Because of the cramped conditions they like fighting in, are devestators and tanks / transports extremely rare in your chapter? I had actually been planning to do so at first. But then it struck me that they would always have enough vehicles to support a detachment of, say, 2000 pts gamewise. So they do have less heavy equipment than most other chapters, but it won't be noticable in the game other than the drawback I chose for them: 'Eye to eye', to represent this. Considering the vast size of ships in 40K, I can see them moving around in a ship with vehicles though; it would take them the better part of a day to walk front to back on one otherwise...(keep the image of the Colonial Marines in their transport in mind from the Aliens movie). Vehicles like Landraiders would be very rare (but LRC's might see some use onboard ships). Vehicles like Vindicators might be used to breach large doors or cover a hallway, but I might keep Predators without sponsons so they would be able to move in tight corridors. Landspeeders and bikes are of less use onboard ships or hulks as they are simply too fast to be handled in those corridors and moving them slower would just make them vastly more vulnerable substitutes for more effective Marines and Razorbacks... Devastators might see some use though, but for firesupport, I think I might lean towards Tarantulas and Rapiers (Sentryguns, again from Aliens, notice another theme here? :( ). Anyone know if Rapiers are still legal btw? The chapter has a feel of a privateer, by which I mean a pirate given license by a government (the imperium / =][= charter) to raid enemy ships... a nice idea, if a bit un-Astartes like. The 'treasure map' bit reinforced this impression ;) That was the angle, yeah. I don't think it's that unappropriate for Spacemarines though, as long as the intended targets are enemies of the Imperium. The map thing was added almost as an afterthought, to strengthen the idea , but as was suggested before, it might provide me with some nice angles to create some animosity with the AM too... ...the Baroque cycle by Neal Stevenson, composed of 'Quicksilver', 'The Confusion' and 'The System of the World'. Thanks, I might look into those. Always looking for a good read... Considering the 2nd founding was in M33 and the Heresy took place in the beginning of M31 Id shoot for a different date. Hmm, thanks. I derived this date from a timeline I got from the internet. It was the first one I found and I didn't bother to crosscheck. I'll check and change it to something more accurate. Brides of the Emperor. Sororitas as we know them didnt come into existance until the Decree Passive after the Apostasy in 288.M36 You're right, so brides it is... ;) May your Prey fall quickly to your claws, and may the Great Lion of Terra watch over you until we speak again. Likewise, fellow lion... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/65722-fiery-lions-fluff/#findComment-750409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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