Woolie Wool Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 http://spaceforce.snohost.com/sm.png The scheme is inspired by Roman legionnaires. Questions, comments, etc. appreciated. EDIT: shoulder pauldron and logo: http://spaceforce.snohost.com/pauldron.gif Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petropavlov Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Er..maybe it's just me, but I'm not really getting what the shoulder logo is supposed to be :blush: Petro "The Pavlov" Pavlov Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-896832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmythemoose Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 I think it's a helmet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-896840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolie Wool Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 Er..maybe it's just me, but I'm not really getting what the shoulder logo is supposed to be :blush: Petro "The Pavlov" Pavlov <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A Roman helmet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-896849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastellan Kong Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Yeah, it's a roman legionnaires helmet... but I too had trouble making it out at first glance... Maybe you could try and add a plume att the top and remove the thin lines that extend from the chinstraps as I first saw these as blood and gore dripping down at first... Overall the scheme is quite nice, but the green parts doesn't do it for me... My first thought is to change these parts to some colour that has a more of a "roman imperial" feel... Like blue or yellow... of course, since they are just inspired by the legions, any way you want it is just fine... Have you thought of any fluff for these guys yet? :blush: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-896865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolie Wool Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 There is no green. The colors I used were "Mithril Silver", "Shining Gold", "Red Gore", "Tin Bitz", "Burnished Gold", "Golden Yellow", "Chaos Black" "Skull White", and "Scab Red". What looks green to you is probably Tin Bitz. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-896871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastellan Kong Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Ahhhh! I see! Well then I guess the GW painter isn't that great at NMMs :blush: (I thought it was Catachan Green) Ok, well that would work nicely then... :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-896884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubal Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Metallic colours really don't come out well on a screen you know :blush: The scheme doesn't look too bad though it's very hard to imagine how the marine will look when it's actually painted, it depends a lot on what techniques you use, washes, drybrushing or layering etc. The symbol need to be simplified a little so it's easier to tell what it is, especially since it's supposed to go on a 1cm high shoulderpad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-896888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Rex Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Nice colourscheme, but the chapter symbol helmet looks both too complex to be painted neatly on an army full of marines, and also doesn't look obvious enough as to what it is supposed to be to the uninitiated. Perhaps it could be simplified, or stylised if you are intent on the helmet approach. I know that a number of recent chapters have gone for stylised plume helmet chapter symbols to good effect. Now let's see some background info on these guys. :blush: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-896897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barret Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 I like the scheme, it's nice and distinctive. Although I'm not sure where all the white comes from. :lol: As for the logo, perhaps try doing a stylized/simplified version of that same helmet, just face-on. You could even paint a differant-coloured skull inside the helmet, as that would a) look cool, and :blush: help identify the logo. I got what the logo was right away, but that's 'cause I'm a historian... You should definately do the crests, as Aurelius Rex suggested. If not for everybody, then for the Sarges and characters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-896919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolie Wool Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 Alternate pauldron designs: http://spaceforce.snohost.com/pauldron2.gif http://spaceforce.snohost.com/pauldron3.gif Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-896976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolie Wool Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 Fluff time: Chapter Name: Legionnaires Gene seed: Imperial Fists Name: Woolie Wool Email: spaceforce@snohost.com. Please do not list it publicly. Founding #: 7th Founding Planet based Home planet: Herculion Color scheme: http://spaceforce.snohost.com/sm.gif Shoulder pauldron and logo: http://spaceforce.snohost.com/pauldron.gif LEGIONNAIRES Chapter Number: 202 Founding: 7th Primogenitor Legion: Imperial Fists Chapter Colors: Silver/Gold/Red Homeworld: Herculion, Segmentum Solar The Legionnaires were founded on Herculion in the Segmentum Solar to replace the Marines Magnificent, who were lost in the Warp in 437.M32. Armies were drawn from the 19th Herculion Legionaries. They have fought in tens of thousands of campaigns and some Legionnaires even went to Cadia to participate in the defense of the Cadian Gate against Abbadon's 13th Black Crusade. Herculion is a forge world, peppered with huge factories and towering hive spires. This has given the Legionnaires access to a wide array of custom equipment, including drum magazines for bolters, several types of bolter ammo, and just about every artillery piece short of an Ordinatus in the Imperial arsenal. The Legionnaires deviate from Codex doctrine somewhat. They shun hand-to-hand combat, preferring to pound their foes from range with artillery and bolter fire. The Legionnaires will also take and use enemy weapons as long as they have not been corrupted by Chaos. They even have a Baneblade to take out enemy tanks and light Titans. The Legionnaires employ amazingly talented artificers and Techmarines who modify weapons and equipment to perform even better than stock. They possess an iron discipline and professionalism that surpasses even the Ultramarines and Imperial Fists. This has caused them to loathe the Space Wolves, whom they consider to be uncivilized, uncouth barbarians. They are fiercely independent and resent meddling by the Inquisition, Mechanicus, or other government bureaus. The organization is similar to 20th century military forces, with various ranks of enlisted men and officers denoted by a skull embossed on the helmet with markings behind it. Skull is red unless otherwise specified. Chevrons are yellow. Skull: Private Skull w/ one chevron: Lance Corporal Skull w/ two chevrons: Corporal Skull w/ three chevrons: Sergeant Skull w/ four chevrons: Sergeant Adept Skull w/ five chevrons:Sergeant Major Skull w/ black cross: Sub-Lieutenant Skull w/ white cross: Brother-Lieutenant Skull w/ blue star: Brother-Captain Skull w/ bronze star: Brother-Major Skull w/ silver star: Brother-Commander Skull w/ gold star: Brother-Colonel Gold skull w/ red cross: Apothecary Gold skull w/ hammer: Techmarine Gold skull w/ blue cross: Librarian Gold skull w/ gold wings: Grand Marshal (Chapter master) The people of Herculion are tall and fair of skin, with dark brown hair and steely gray eyes. They grow somewhat more slowly than average humans, which causes the Legionnaires to recruit neophytes at an older age (around 15 or 16) than the average chapter. Ancient Rome influences their civilization and culture, and even vagrants and hoodlums speak High Gothic as their native language. Most surnames on Herculion have either a first name or last name derived from a Roman name, but rarely both (for example, the current Chapter Master is Grand Marshal Victor Augustus). Battle cry: "We are the face of death and the hand of doom! Woe be upon you, foes of the Emperor!" Company leaders: Master: Grand Marshal Victor Augustus 1st: Brother-Colonel Joseph Octavian 2nd: Brother-Commander Gaius Alexander 3rd: Brother-Commander Jean-Francis Tiberius 4th: Brother-Major Alfred Antony 5th: Brother-Major Constantine Wolfe 6th: Brother-Captainr Fransisco Severus 7th: Brother-Captain Linus Cicero 8th: Brother-Captain Flavius Lindensen 9th: Brother-Lieutenant Alessandro Diocletian 10th: Brother-Lieutenant Septimus Norgaard Chapter starships: Deus Vult ("God wills it") Emperor's Fist Glorious Vengeance Warmaker Mors Tratoris ("Death of Traitors") Contrition Memento Mori ("Death's Head") Discordia Imperator Rex ("Emperor King") Praetorian Worldcrusher Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-897026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraXaus Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 I thought a Legionnaire was a memeber of the American foreign legion :huh: But anyways, I think the second helmet much more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-897028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolie Wool Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 I thought a Legionnaire was a memeber of the American foreign legion :huh: A legionnaire is someone belonging to a Roman legion, the American Legion, the French Foreign Legion, or anything else called a Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-897033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyinghippo Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 yeah the second one looks less like an elephant head and somehow the elephant legionaires doesn't seem like a good chapter name... I'm not sure why... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-897085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 I think the first one is too complicated for an badge, you could use this and remove the bottom bit to make it more roman. The colour scheme looks good, but doesnt scream roman to me :huh: Ferrata Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-897132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubal Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 American foreign legion? ::cuss: Woolie: Maybe you should stay away from actually naming the romans in your fluff, instead call them "an ancient terran culture" or something. This is 40000 years from roman times and the imperium can hardly remember even ten millennia back. Also, maybe you shouldn't list your email publicly if you don't want it listed publicly :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-897139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolie Wool Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 I think the first one is too complicated for an badge, you could use this and remove the bottom bit to make it more roman. The colour scheme looks good, but doesnt scream roman to me :huh: Ferrata <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That design wouldn't work--it's obviously a Greek helmet, and removing a couple of bits wouldn't fix it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-897152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolie Wool Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 http://spaceforce.snohost.com/sm4.gif The scheme for veterans and sergeants http://spaceforce.snohost.com/sm3.gif The scheme for officers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-897188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gebann Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 Woolie,for a chapter logo you might want to take a peek at Griffon Games. They have just the ticket for your chapter. http://griffongames.safeshopper.com/43/1507.htm?469 geb Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-897782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubal Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 The spartan transfers have already been pointed out, and rejected. They could still make some custom ones if they are given a good symbol (and some cash =) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-897858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolie Wool Posted June 24, 2005 Author Share Posted June 24, 2005 Legionnaires Index Astartes article: +++ Mod Edit - Tsk! Far too wide! - anything over 700 pixels wide throws off the thread formatting something cruel! Changed to a link. Aurelius +++ Link. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-898119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutt-Man! Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 I like, but may I add some possible looks you may consider? Green wasent much of a color for the romans, and such other leggionaires, it was red, gold, silver and brass. I would paint the model a more brass bold colour all around accesnted with silver, and gold trimmed on the badges and wings. To avoid a Iron Warrior look, however the IW silver drybrush with gold trim would have been an ideal look. Black has always been a legion color, dark, scary and in solid order. Even though its way common, perhaps some individual looks or conversions would differ, like trophies of war and decorations. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-898149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolie Wool Posted June 24, 2005 Author Share Posted June 24, 2005 The only green is the sergeant's purity seal. What looks like green is Tin Bitz, which is metallic dark gray. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-898155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubal Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 You're going to get edited though, that picture is too wide. Resize it or make it a link instead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/77904-legionnaires/#findComment-898210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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