cypher_true_angel Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 I have been wondering if it is possible ot have a fallen army loyal to the emperor, but have had a falling out with the Dark Angels? Kind of on a quest or something? Is it legal both fluff and rules wise? I've been thinking of creating an army for sometime and have even written a little bit of fluff about it. Can somebody help me? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/79816-loyal-fallen-army/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Rex Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 The motivations of the Fallen have always been... ambiguous... to say the least. Is Cypher a bad guy? Is he a good guy? Why does he have the Lion Sword? Ect, Etc. So, you could make a small warband (an 'army' would seem to be pushing it in terms of numbers IMO) of fallen that are 'nice', but they would still be renegades to Imperial justice, and would be constantly on the run from the Unforgiven. Check the renegades post in the Ultimate DIY chapter creation thread for some things to think about. However, rather than overtly making them 'nice' keeping their motives shrouded in mystery would be better... explicitly stating their motivations may detract from their power and mythos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/79816-loyal-fallen-army/#findComment-921391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypher_true_angel Posted July 16, 2005 Author Share Posted July 16, 2005 Does that then mean it is possible to use cypher in a 'renegade' questing fallen army, or would one have to go chaos for that to occur? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/79816-loyal-fallen-army/#findComment-922022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Belial Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 I have been wondering if it is possible ot have a fallen army loyal to the emperor, but have had a falling out with the Dark Angels? Kind of on a quest or something? Is it legal both fluff and rules wise? I've been thinking of creating an army for sometime and have even written a little bit of fluff about it. Can somebody help me? :wacko: I'm doing a Fallen army right now. I am building so that it can be either a Chaos or Loyal army. As Aurelius Rex said, the Fallen are ambiguous. I agree that I don't believe all the Fallen are bad just feed bad information so that they'd fight their brothers. After the destruction of Caliban, they saw the error of their ways. They decided to disappear and rejoin the Imperial society or try to live an honorable life. With the appearnce of Cypher in the 13th Black Crusade, the Fallen have been drawn toward Cypher. Forming a small guerilla attack force, they help fight towards Cypher's goals. However, his disappearing acts have a habit of breaking the chain of command. So then the guerilla force is led by its commander to continue the fight as they know it. Each force can be led by a Chaotic Lord or a Loyalist that want's to repent their sins and go on a self-imposed crusade. Some Marines that take an opposing view will leave the force to follow their own ends. Using this interpretation, I can justify a Fallen Angel army Fluffwise and I can follow the rules with it. Self imposed restrictions means that the bulk of the force is Power Armoured Marines. Scouts and Terminators are rare (Scouts are very rare). Think, get in and get out fast! I hope this helps. Belial Out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/79816-loyal-fallen-army/#findComment-922094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypher_true_angel Posted July 17, 2005 Author Share Posted July 17, 2005 Does this mean it is possible to use cypher in a loyalist army, or does he have to be in a chaos or IG army? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/79816-loyal-fallen-army/#findComment-922176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krooter Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 Its an idea, thats for sure. Army wise practically anything is legal, fluffwise.....ask the in the Dark Angel sub-forum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/79816-loyal-fallen-army/#findComment-922216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypher_true_angel Posted July 17, 2005 Author Share Posted July 17, 2005 Well, hmm.... the only reason DA's chase cypher is cause they aint got nothing else to do, apart from getting the sword, but hey, finders keepers. :wacko: Are you sure it is legally (rule wise) possible for cypher to be used by a loyalist army following conventinal DA rules then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/79816-loyal-fallen-army/#findComment-922245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Librarian- Melechor Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 I don't really see why not. But this is becoming more Dark Angels based than DIY based, even if it is your army. Fallen belong with the DA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/79816-loyal-fallen-army/#findComment-922260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmythemoose Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 Well doesn't it say in his rules that he can only be used in chaos or IG armies? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/79816-loyal-fallen-army/#findComment-922361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Belial Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 Well doesn't it say in his rules that he can only be used in chaos or IG armies? As per WD280, Cypher can only be used in Chaos or IG Armies as an Elites choice. To be used in a Loyalist Fallen Angels army, you have to build him as your standard HQ choice as established in Codex Space Marines. Master w/ Master Crafted Bolt Pistol and Master Crafted Plasma Pistol, Iron Halo, etc... It will NOT be Cypher (with the neat rules), but it is close enough to allow you to use the mini legally and be in the spirit of Cypher. Otherwise, you'll have to ask for permission every time. Belial Out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/79816-loyal-fallen-army/#findComment-923384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypher_true_angel Posted July 19, 2005 Author Share Posted July 19, 2005 When you are refering to WD280, where would it have been published (country). I am guessing in the US. If so, does anyone have an idea which WD it was published in, in the magical land of Oz. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/79816-loyal-fallen-army/#findComment-924265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 I was going to make a Fallen Army once, but not going for a Cypher lead one. He was going to be the leader, but wasnt the face leader. Instead of making him gathered lots of fallen, he had made a chapter fall and be ruled by him. This way, Cypher could be your leader fluff wise, but on table top he let some else take charge so not draw attention to himself Ferrata Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/79816-loyal-fallen-army/#findComment-924860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Belial Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 When you are refering to WD280, where would it have been published (country). I am guessing in the US. If so, does anyone have an idea which WD it was published in, in the magical land of Oz. My apologies. Yes WD280 in the US and WD281 in UK. I believe the Australian one was patterned of the UK but it's been over a decade since I was last down under. (waxes nostalgic) Belial Out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/79816-loyal-fallen-army/#findComment-925630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypher_true_angel Posted July 21, 2005 Author Share Posted July 21, 2005 Thanks for that GM. I'll go out and look for the rules of this sacred character to those of us who believe in the fallen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/79816-loyal-fallen-army/#findComment-925824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codexmaker Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 Well I've got some rough notes for an army of the Fallen with me. It's based on the fact that the Fallen aren't pro-chaos but they fight alongside rebels mainly, and they have their hatred of corruption that the dark angels have, but to a lesser extent obviously, so I've based the army on latd. The finished version will be on my website in a few weeks tiem if you want me to finish the codex soon. Codex: Fallen Angels The intention of this codex is to represent the fallen angels, the dark angels that turned to chaos shortly after the horus heresy. These marines then either regretted their actions and stopped being devoted to chaos, or became fully devoted chaos space marines. The chaos fallen can be represented by using black legion codex, this codex focuses on those that seek redemption, led by Cypher. This army is mentioned in codex: dark angels and index astartes: dark angels, as well as the fluff from the eye of terror campaign. Special Rules: no marks of chaos, no daemon weapons, nothing daemonic at all, except for oblits and possibly raptors. Atsknf. Alter weapon options for dreadnought and havocs. Still allowed veteran skills. HQ: 1 Cypher, Space Marine Hero, Chaos Lieutenant, Dark Angels Librarian Elites: Chosen Chaos Space Marines, 0-1 Obliterators, Dreadnoughts Troops: Chaos Space Marines, Traitors Fast Attack: 0-1 Chaos Raptors, Chaos Bikers, Hellhound*, Sentinel Squadron*, Rough Riders* Heavy Support: Land Raiders, Predators, Havoc Squads, Leman Russ Battle Tank*, Leman Russ Demolisher*, Basilisk* *1 per Traitors squad (see latd for details) Elites: Dreadnoughts same as chaos dread except that not insane (and obviously no daemonic upgrades). Aren Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/79816-loyal-fallen-army/#findComment-927707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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