Angels of Rsurection

[aceofspades]

This will be my second army for 40K i have been playing tau

 

Thess are just some ideas

 

NAME: Angels of Resurection

 

PRIMARCH: Lion EL Jonson

 

GEANSEED: Dark Angels

 

HOME WORLD: Unknown

 

STYLE: Mostly shooting with a few units capeable of Close combat

 

COLORS: Red, Black, and Gold

 

SYMBOL: Ace of Spades

 

HISTORY: On an assault on a tau strong hold on the planet Proxiemuss 2 companies of Dark Angels fell to The tau's barrage of fire. Only the company commander of the first company had survived. he kneeled down and prayed to the Emperor for the strength to raise his soldiers from the dead to fight for him ounce agin. After 10 days and nights of prayer his soldiers came to life.

 

After the soldiers were raised and the fight with the tau was over he recieved a data slate from high command which stated he was to be put in charg of a new chapter called the Angels of resurection, and from now to his death he could raise space marines from the dead to fight for him so that his ranks would never go empty. If was ever to die all of the soldiers which he had risen from the dead would fall to rise no more. He also found that soldiers that armour which had been totaly penetrated or had been split would not be able to be risen from the dead.

 

 

 

So what do you think will post some more soon thanks

[--Lord_Panthro--]

sounding good... the only problem i have with it is using the Dark Angels as the chapter they came from. (this has happened before... people using famous chapters and spliting them apart) As it would seem that such an event would appear in the Dark Angels history. Though u could still use the Dark Angels as their geneseed i would recommend using a DA successor chapter (not one created by GW) as the one that the Angels of Resurection came from.

 

But it looks as though u have a solid theme so keep it up... look forward to seeing some more informative fluff and possibly some minis soon.

 

 

Panthro

[Ferrata]

I think any chapter born from zombies (or the living dead) which these basically are, wouldnt be accepted by the High Lords. The risk of tainted warriors being brought back to life, or those tainted in death would make this chapter a serious risk.

 

I dont think the Dark Angels are near the Tau. I belive the DA mainly are around the Eye of Terror (west) while the Tau are expanding from the east. Even though the DA might not note a terrible loss, or the Imperium know about it, due to their secrecy, its pushing the limits of the fluff.

 

It's a nice concept, but if yor going to do with magic/necromany/major flaws in the geneseed then you really need to go for the Cursed Founding.

 

Ferrata

[CimSaint]

Are these actually going to be "zombie" types after they are raised from the dead? If they're just drooling, walking, "Eat your brains!" types, perhaps using Nurgle rules are in order?

 

On the other hand, if they return to life halfway normal, and are difficult to tell apart from a regular marine, you could simply claim that the Chapter avoids contact with Imperial authorities whenever possible. This also could be used to tie in some strife with the Inquisition or Ecclessiarchy.

 

I would agree with what's been posted above regarding the Dark Angels; first of all, I just don't see Dark Angels trying to raise the dead, and especially not using them as a fighting force after they are dead. The DA would be more likely to pump them full of plasma....

 

Any special reason you want them tied to the Dark Angels?

 

Not a huge fan of zombie marines, personally, but I think it could be a really neat army if done with some detail.

 

- Saint

[Aurelius Rex]

I think you will have to explain some more about the raising marines from the dead bit, as it seems pretty far off what I think of as an Astartes chapter. Tell us some more about what you mean... is it a curse, a spell, or is it to get the chance to model an army of zombie marines?

 

if so, a zombie lost and the Damned rules army might work really well, :rolleyes: but in that case they seem to fit better as traitors than loyalists as it stands.

[aceofspades]

ok first off thanks ffor the help and suggestions

 

their was no specific reason to use DA. Any ideas on what i should use insted something more towards the east.

 

they are not like Zombies they came back to life because of their devoshin to the emperor. seeing as it was the Emperor who raised them i do not think that he would let them return if they had any chance of turning to the chaos lords.

 

Are these actually going to be "zombie" types after they are raised from the dead? If they're just drooling, walking, "Eat your brains!" types, perhaps using Nurgle rules are in order?

 

On the other hand, if they return to life halfway normal, and are difficult to tell apart from a regular marine, you could simply claim that the Chapter avoids contact with Imperial authorities whenever possible. This also could be used to tie in some strife with the Inquisition or Ecclessiarchy.

 

They are not going to look like Zombies they will not be able to tell them apart and as you said they will avoid the Empire but when they are in need they they will come. After the battle they will all kneal and pray for 10 days and nights and their downed brothers of all chapters will raise and join their ranks. Any marines that are to badly tore up. they will always wear helmets and will hardly ever use vehicles.

[CimSaint]

Ok, that fleshes things out a little bit. Maybe Librarians could be a central focus of the Chapter? You could call them something else and have them act as Watchers of the Dead, ie the only marines who are exempt from the curse and those responsible for protecting the Chapter from outsiders.

 

You could even come up with a name for the affliction. I really like the idea of marines coming from many different Chapters; you could have a lot of fun with this, painting up battle damaged Marines in a variety of Chapter colors.

 

Since you're Marines are "recruited" from the fallen, I wouldn't even worry about the gene seed. They're animated by the very will of the Emperor, after all. Do they implant gene seed in a corpse? :cuss That seems... off...

 

Again, if you put a bit more thought into developing the feeling of your army, it could turn out really well. A good start, just feels like it needs some fleshing out.

 

- Saint

[Grand Master Belial]

Ok, that fleshes things out a little bit.

[aceofspades]

ok thanks for the reply

 

 

I keep thinking of playing this like a Thousand Sons army where all the Marines are automotons with the "Slow but Purposeful" rule. They'd be loyal but they'd play like Chaos

i know that it sounds that waybut i would not want to play this as a chaox army they will be just like regular marines just dead

 

I agree that there should be an emphasis on Librarians. Chaplains would be from the fallen, though I would believe that there would be a few live Techmarines to repair the armour of those whose armour is damaged but not bad enough to lose the soul. No Apothecaries as the gene-seed would already have been harvested.

 

i will use some librarienes and add a tech marine or two just to make it plossible

 

Blessing/Curse

 

well it is sort of both a blessing that they can come back to life and a curse because they can not rest till they are totaly annialated

 

i will not use a primarch or a gean seed seeing as they are all of different chapters

 

one question should i paint them all the same or different

 

i will post their story later

[Grand Master Belial]

one question should i paint them all the same or different

 

Paint them different Chapters. It'll give you some fun trying new paint schemes.

 

I tend to think that there should be more Marines that hail from an Assault based Chapters (Blood Angels, Black Templars, Raven Guard and Space Wolves and their Successors). The more shooty and level-headed armies would have fewer casualties that would leave the armour predominantly intact. Though if you change which Company was initially annihilated. Then that company should still have a few survivors (if you can say that) that would bulk up their numbers.

 

Just my suggestion.

 

Belial

[aceofspades]

any idea on the history i could use or fluff i am having some trouble with this any help would be help ful

 

will get back to you soon

[Grand Master Belial]

any idea on the history i could use or fluff i am having some trouble with this any help would be help ful

 

will get back to you soon

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Sorry, I can only do so much fluff at any one time. Let me stew on this over the weekend and I'll try to write something on Monday.

 

Belial Out.

[Commissar Molotov]

Perhaps your marines are actually the pawns of Chaos, but they believe that they're being blessed by the Emperor? If the Emperor could bring marines back to life at will, surely no chapter would ever sustain any casualties?

 

Perhaps your chapter is being secretly manipulated by a chaos daemon? Perhaps your chapter is victim to some curse because they foiled a chaos invasion plot? They're cursed to never die (Something similar to Richter Krueger and the Cursed Company). They're undead, the Imperium hates them, even though they still serve it. They've been killed dozens of times, by chaos and the Imperium, but they're still cursed to rise again in torturous unlife.

 

Something like that would give your idea a much deeper (and more tragic) angle, which could give them a lot more character.

[Aurelius Rex]

Secretly manipulated by a daemon? Sounds like a Tzeentch thing to me.

 

Really interesting idea. They could smite the enemies of the Imperium and still be unknowingly furthering the plans of the changer of Ways. ;) :devil:

[Grand Master Belial]

Secretly manipulated by a daemon?

[Grand Master Belial]

++ Story Time ++

 

Within the warp the Chaos Gods continually plot and scheme against anything of order. Khorne through brutal violence, Nurgle through pestilence and plagues, Slaanesh through decadence and self-fulfillment; but it is in Tzeentch that the most subtle of tactics are used. Tzeentch combats order through change and the energy of the warp. Always, Tzeentch continually changes and creates new trials and challenges to keep the Forces of Order off balance.

 

One occasion saw a subtle change started on a world that would create havoc among the forces of the Imperium. Two companies of Space Marines had made planet fall on a planet to do battle with another race known as the Tau. However, the Marines had taken a number of their vaunted Librarians and their signature was easy to detect in the warp.

 

Tzeentch knew the Librarians would eventually call upon the Warp in effort to defeat their foes. Tzeentch designed a string of energy to slide into the warp hole created by the Librarian's mind and into the Materium. After placing a number of these threads, the Lord of change released a trickle of warp energy through the minds and into the area surrounding the Librarians.

 

Each Marine near the Librarian was infused with the essence of the warp that will allow Tzeentch to perform his experiments. However, the test subjects were mauled to a single man. While a Librarian in his own right, he called out to the power of his Emperor entombed beyond the reach of the Chaos God. The Emperor responded psychically and touched the mind of the Librarian with his power. It was enough to taint the mixture in place by Tzeentch and the God was furious. Asserting its power brought about the full attention of the Emperor and through the vastness of Warp Space the two once again did battle, unknown to anything else. As the struggle raged on in the Warp, the lone Librarian prayed for each brother lost. Requesting the blessing of the Emperor, the Librarian prayed so that the fallen Marines will continue to fight for the Emperor in death.

 

These thoughts mixed with the Chaos taint in the fallen marines as well as the blessing of the Emperor to change the souls of the fallen to become permanently trapped inside their armour. The thought of continuing the fight for the Emperor becomes affixed in the minds of the souls and they once again try to rise to continue the fight only to see that their suits and flesh respond to their wishes.

 

The taint of Chaos provided the energy to reactive their body to the wishes of the soul, as if the souls were a daemon and the warp energy became its link to the materium.

 

Though ten days had passed for the realm of men, the resurrect Marines knew no passing of time. The confusion of the previous ten days and the confusion of living though dead was replaced by the desire to fight for the Emperor and the resurrected Marines did war on the Tau and utterly eradicated the from Proxiemuss II.

 

Tzeentch withdrew from the fight with the Emperor and looked upon his experiment gone awry. The Emperor also grieved within his Golden Throne and shed a single tear for each tortured soul resurrected. Tzeentch was pleased; he had succeeded in creating Chaos among the ranks of Order. However, Tzeentch is a fickle god and turned his attention to another experiment in another part of the galaxy. As a consequence, the experiment was never stopped. The single Librarian unknowingly continues to permeate the souls around him with the faintest taint of Chaos and as the Emperor blesses each warrior that fights valiantly, he sheds a tear for each afflicted soul that must suffer the torture of undeath until the soul can be freed through the annihilation of his armor.

 

How's that for a fluff story?

 

Belial Out

[aceofspades]

Belial thank you very much for the story thanxloved it

 

their is just one thing if they die after their armour is annialated wont the chapter eventually i will ponder this for awhile

 

thanks again

[Grand Master Belial]

Belial thank you very much for the story thanxloved it

 

their is just one thing if they die after their armour is annialated wont the chapter eventually i will ponder this for awhile

 

thanks again

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No, I set the hook that as the Librarian gets close to another unaffected marine, they become tainted. So if the Librarian is fighting alongside or against any Marines. They will be resurrected after the battle and replenishes the Chapter. The Chapter (as it were) is tied to the Librarian. As long as the Librarian lives, he'll still be able to resurrect dead Marines. I plan on having him continue the problem in death (i.e. he'll be resurrected as well). Only by utterly annhilating the Librarians will the taint of Tzeetch be lifted but as none but the Emperor is aware of this fact. The Marines will remain loyal to the Librarians. (Makes for a vicious little circle.)

 

Belial Out.

[jimmythemoose]

Problem. The chapter needs the dead of other chapters to carry on. Other chapters are hardly likely to hand over the corpses of their fallen heroes to another chapter. If other chapters see their corpses coming back to life, they will immediately expect taint and start cleansing.

 

Problem #2. If the emperor has the power to psychically affect the outcome of battles, why hasn't he used it before in circumstances far more grave than that one, the 13th black crusade for instance.

[Commissar Molotov]

Exactly, Jimmy's right.

 

Belial, while it's a nice idea and all, it's got a few too many holes. You should perhaps consider either that your marines are all from the one single chapter, that are cursed to always come back after they die. No matter how many times they're killed, they return, cursed to endure the hatred of the Imperium they crave to protect, and the servants of the Arch-Enemy.

 

I don't think the Emperor would personally intervene in a situation like this, simply because it's a bit too... cheesy. (And not in a game sense). If he has the power to do so, then he could surely intervene in just about any situation ever.

 

Also, I think Tzeentch 'forgetting' a project is a bit misleading, and I'm unsure if he would manipulate the chapter anyway unless it suited him. It might be better to make a Greater Daemon in his service did it on a whim, because the chapter had halted one of his projects.

 

Countless times he has been cut down, only to awake again the following night to his never-ending, hellish torment. A terrible element of the curse is evoked each time he slays an enemy, for his defeated foes rise immediately to serve him in undeath, slaves to his will. He travels the world, living out a tragic parody of his former mercenary career, fighting wherever he finds battle. His anger and despair momentarily lost in the bloodshed, he continues his doomed existence in the desperate hope that one time when his skeletal body is slain, he will finally know the relief of true death.

 

This is taken from GW's site about the Cursed Company, a fantasy Dogs of War regiment. It could be something to consider.

[Ferrata]

One Idea would have it they can only be killed one way, ala Highlander. Doesnt matter if they get shot, stabbed, cut. As long as their head is still in contact with the body, they will live. Things like arms and legs can be replaced with bionics maybe even bio-engineering to grow new ones. Thus most of the time, they will get back up the following day to fight again, besides those lucky enough to be hit by massive anti-armour rounds or those who were decapitated.

 

This means they are slowly dieing out, unable to make new marines as the Imperium has said no to them. Like a number of the Cursed Founding chapters who are dieing out (I think the Flame Falcons have). This could add extra depth to the chapter.

 

Ferrata

 

@ Jimmy, whoops, I thought the Lamentors had given up hope

[jimmythemoose]

I don't see the chapter being possible unless the chapter is a direct (or unwilling) servant of chaos. It's proven that the chaos gods can bring people back to life (Luscious, Khârn), and the imperium would turn on them if they showed sign of taint. Maybe make them renegade, loyal to the Emperor even though they've been rejected from the imperium but as Rex said, secretly manipulated by the chaos Gods to achieve some unknown goal.

 

I like the decapitation idea.

 

The Lamenters still recruit, they just tend to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and get mauled. A lot. The flame falcons are dieing out as the LOTD, but are still around. If you really need them, they will come...

[Grand Master Belial]

Problem. The chapter needs the dead of other chapters to carry on. Other chapters are hardly likely to hand over the corpses of their fallen heroes to another chapter. If other chapters see their corpses coming back to life, they will immediately expect taint and start cleansing.

 

Problem #2. If the emperor has the power to psychically affect the outcome of battles, why hasn't he used it before in circumstances far more grave than that one, the 13th black crusade for instance.

 

#1 True - I was going off of an ongoing battle where the fighting is still going on for the ten-days aceofspades decreed it took to resurrect. (i.e. the Marines got bogged down in trench warfare like WWI.)

 

#2 Huh? I am confused where that came from. If anything, the Emperor cancelled out psychic powers. That will let the mortals continue to fight by mortal means. Though, I can see where you are going with that. Hmmm... :lol:

 

Exactly, Jimmy's right.

 

Belial, while it's a nice idea and all, it's got a few too many holes. You should perhaps consider either that your marines are all from the one single chapter, that are cursed to always come back after they die. No matter how many times they're killed, they return, cursed to endure the hatred of the Imperium they crave to protect, and the servants of the Arch-Enemy.

 

I don't think the Emperor would personally intervene in a situation like this, simply because it's a bit too... cheesy. (And not in a game sense). If he has the power to do so, then he could surely intervene in just about any situation ever.

 

It's not my army. (I am not that creative.) I'll admit that I had a few holes in the story that I had to stretch something to get a solid covering and I chose the Emperor's Omniprescence. Perhaps I stretched it a little too far (First time my fluff writing got bad reviews, Yikes! :o )

 

Your second point is valid so I tried to create a threat big enough to divert his attention from other battlefields. So I thought a subtle alteration to every Space Marine Librarian to make all Space Marines rise from death would be sufficent to get the Emperor to direct a bit more attnetion to the matter.

 

Also, I think Tzeentch 'forgetting' a project is a bit misleading, and I'm unsure if he would manipulate the chapter anyway unless it suited him. It might be better to make a Greater Daemon in his service did it on a whim, because the chapter had halted one of his projects.

 

Can you elaborate?

 

Countless times he has been cut down, only to awake again the following night to his never-ending, hellish torment. A terrible element of the curse is evoked each time he slays an enemy, for his defeated foes rise immediately to serve him in undeath, slaves to his will. He travels the world, living out a tragic parody of his former mercenary career, fighting wherever he finds battle. His anger and despair momentarily lost in the bloodshed, he continues his doomed existence in the desperate hope that one time when his skeletal body is slain, he will finally know the relief of true death.

 

This is taken from GW's site about the Cursed Company, a fantasy Dogs of War regiment. It could be something to consider.

 

Since I'm not building this army, this would look unfeasible. There would be one Chaos character leading the Cursed Loyal Marines to fight for Chaos. Or a Loyal Marine leading a Cursed Chaos Marine army. I don't think this is the best route for an estranged Loyal Marine army.

 

Belial Out.

[Grand Master Belial]

I don't see the chapter being possible unless the chapter is a direct (or unwilling) servant  of chaos. It's proven that the chaos gods can bring people back to life (Luscious, Khârn), and the imperium would turn on them if they showed sign of taint. Maybe make them renegade, loyal to the Emperor even though they've been rejected from the imperium but as Rex said, secretly manipulated by the chaos Gods to achieve some unknown goal.

 

I like the decapitation idea.

 

I tried for Unwilling and make them renegade, but this is entirely in aceofspades's court.

 

Let him decide where he want's his DIY to go and I will help rewrite his fluff a bit.

 

Belial Out.

[Commissar Molotov]

Can you elaborate?

We have a Chaos God. We have lots of followers of said Chaos God. Now, I don't think you can assume that Tzeentch deals with each follower individually. In other words, he doesn't deal with one cultists' wishes on Necromunda before going off to Armageddon to do another thing. The chaos gods are huge, able to do millions of things at once. That, and they have the Greater Daemons who work as lieutenants.

 

If Tzeentch had a big plan, he wouldn't just abandon it on a whim. I think it's a bit... odd. That's all.

 

Since I'm not building this army, this would look unfeasible. There would be one Chaos character leading the Cursed Loyal Marines to fight for Chaos. Or a Loyal Marine leading a Cursed Chaos Marine army. I don't think this is the best route for an estranged Loyal Marine army.

 

I think you've gotten the wrong idea. It's not exactly what I'm suggesting, merely something similar. Take this timeline as my idea:

 

X - Marines of the Chapter end a chaos (Tzeentchian) uprising, disrupting the plans of a Tzeentchian Greater Daemon.

 

X - The Greater Daemon is so furious that he curses the chapter.

 

X - The chapter finds that they are unable to die, cursed by Tzeentch to live in a torment of reincarnation. They're hunted by the Imperium, they're hated by chaos, and worse of all (to these marines) they cannot die and join the Emperor.