DIY my chapter

[taoofss]

A traitor legion composed of marines whos homeworlds have been purged by the inquistition. They feal the emperor's wraith is unjust and no longer wish to be associated with such wanton destruction. They travel abroad two crusier vessels dodging, chaos, xenos and the imperium it self searching for the true path. To represent this, they have the trait disadvantage We Stand Alone. Thier colors are red and black, representing their blood filled past and their shoulder pads are various marine legion patches but blurred as if the marines had tried to rid of themselves of past memories (gladiator esc).

 

So is this at all a possibilty?

 

Oh btw the name im thinking of is "Scattered Sons"

[CDR Grendelwulf]

Interesting idea.

WD, a few issues back, did an article on traitor legions you might want to read through.

 

SM Chapters screen their recruits rather carefully, so it would seem a bit unlikely that your force was made up of many different chapters' marines. SM chapters generally have their own worlds they recruit from, so it would be unlikely that several chapters recruited from the same world, which has a high rate of traitorous tendancies.

 

Maybe your DIY chapter had suffered horrific losses, lessening its ranks to below viability to keep the chapter fully active. In the meantime, the Inquisition declared Extremis Purgatus on the homeworld (chaos/tyranid invasion, etc) where many were recruited from. Your chapter finally reached its breaking point, rename themselves the Scattered Sons, and the rest as they say is history...

 

Ciao,

CDR Grendelwulf

[Merkava Mk2]

SM Chapters screen their recruits rather carefully, so it would seem a bit unlikely that your force was made up of many different chapters' marines. SM chapters generally have their own worlds they recruit from, so it would be unlikely that several chapters recruited from the same world, which has a high rate of traitorous tendancies.

 

Maybe your DIY chapter had suffered horrific losses, lessening its ranks to below viability to keep the chapter fully active. In the meantime, the Inquisition declared Extremis Purgatus on the homeworld (chaos/tyranid invasion, etc) where many were recruited from. Your chapter finally reached its breaking point, rename themselves the Scattered Sons, and the rest as they say is history...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No no; It's a bunch of dudes - who were already marines, from different chapters - whose homeworlds got blown up. So they band together, and they're like "Senatorum Imperialis/Inquisitors; dudes, that was totally an overreaction, you did not have to do that. You could have just invited our homeworlds over to have a beer and watch braveheart, and while they were at your house; been like 'listen brah, you gotta cool it with the heresy. Chaos is some pretty heavy <DELETED BY THE INQUISITION>.' It'd be kind of like an intervention - but no, you had to be all high and mighty, like you didn't have the time to talk to somewhere that you've been tight with for years man. We're from there even, and we kill for you - you could show a little courtesy."

 

So they are like the Marines Vigilant, destroyed by the Inquisition/Crimson Fists for being pacifists. I'm sure that if a chapter's homeworld were to be destroyed, some of the brothers might go rogue, perhaps even a company's worth. I can't really imagine why a ton of marines would would band together - let alone find each other - because they come from chapters who've had their homeworlds destroyed. If they were dark angels/imperial fists/black templars/et al, whose marines come from any number of planets, the individual brothers probably don't know their origin, and it's not likely that they'd be up on the goings on back home even if they did.

 

Perhaps, taoofss, your marines are compassionate bleeding hearts because they've been disillusioned for any number of reasons, whether their homeworlds/chapters have been destroyed, or they just don't appreciate the metre and rhyme scheme of the canticle of hate.

[DraXaus]

It's a working idea, in theory. A good example would be the Red Corsairs, as they are made up of many other chapters who have fallen from the Emperor's light. However I'm getting the impression that your chapter is still loyal to the Emperor, but has a deep hate for the Inquisition, which is what binds them together.

 

Now you have to take in account that the Imperium is vast in size, and to find chapters who have suffered the same ordeal is remote, at best. Your chapter would have to have lot of resources for such undertakings. And even if you did, that chapter might still be vary loyal to the Imperium, and whould brand you traitors. Because, they're like loyal dogs, and They'll remain loyal no matter what happens to them, because that's all they know. Unless of course, you pull a Horus.

 

I think it's a workable idea, that just needs some polishing.

[Daeothar]

How about a legend circulating among the chapters, that this fabled unit exists? Of course an existing chapter would scorn the idea and would actively search out and destroy such an abomination would they have concrete evidence of its existance. However, having been almost completely wiped out and hunted by the inquisition because they were witness to something they weren't supposed to (think Celestial Lions, but worse). The remaining members of such a chapter would be at a loss as to what to do. A sufficiently large remnant might choose to fight and die till the end but smaller detachments might have fewer options open to them.

 

Desillusioned, I could imagine some turning towards the Red Corsairs as everything they believed in appears to be false. Others might choose to look for this fabled collection of marines to find a new home, that would not stray as far from their original beliefs as the Corsairs do.

 

The 'chapter' (if you can call it that) would of course actively seek out such groups and individuals in secret, just as much as some of said marines would seek out this chapter. Those found by the chapter but not convinced of their loyalty might be given a chance to 'take the red pill' and have the veils lifted from their eyes. A secret network would ahve to be in place, or more along the lines of 'Angels and Demons'; clues could be scattered all over the galaxy, which would only be obvious to those betrayed by the Inquisition. So only the worthy would find the way to the chapter in the end...

 

I would not make this collection of marines full chapter strength either. At most 3 companies, which is only a fluff measure; when was the last time you fielded more that 3 companies worth of marines anyway?

 

No Chaotic embellishments should be present, but the armor should be sufficiently battle damaged and patched up to represent they have to go with very little support indeed.

 

I can see Apothecaries, Chaplains and Librarians crossing the line and joining up, as would Commanders/Captains/Chapter Masters. However, Techmarines that were betrayed and abandoned would most likely make for Mars, as there is where their secondary loyalties lie. You can be dang certain the Adeptus Mechanicus would let no news of these renegade techmarines slip to the Inquisition. More likely, these marines would be an excellent source of information to the AM. Which would explain why the chapter has very few Techmarines indeed.

 

And remember we're not talking about marines alone either; there's large amounts of serfs and thralls present in each chapter (more than there are marines) and those would just as likely cross over and continue serving their masters. I would not think the majority of them knows much about what happens outside of their chapter's home anyway.

 

They could be employed to make up said network of eyes and ears of the chapter all over the Imperium. And I think it is because of the Imperium's vast size that the chapter is growing. It might be only a matter of time before the chapter's Apothecaries have enough geneseed and equipment to start creating scouts of their own. Then it truly would be a force to be reckoned with. Of course they would be shipbourne; no homeplanet for anyone running from the boys with the big ][...

 

I think Alpha Legion rules might just work for them. An Emperor worshipping Red Corsairs force. I think it could work remarkably well... :)

[DraXaus]

Damn, daeothar. Now you got me thinking of doing one myself.

 

Cheers...

[Codexmaker]

It's fully possible for marines to be Pro-Emperor but Anti-Inquisition or Anti-Imperium. Good examples are Soul Drinkers and Celestial Lions, and possibly the Fallen Angels too.

 

I would say that the chapter would not remove its heraldry nor would they damage it in any way. However, if they are anti-inquisition they could have the I symbol with a big cross over it instead of tactical markings etc. The coalition of chapters that have had their homeworlds destroyed by the Inquisition would however add some sort of marking to their armour in a similar way to campaign badges.

 

As renegades, they should have We Stand Alone, Take The Fight To Them, Flesh Over Steel (unless fleet based, in which case Eye To Eye), with the last positive trait up to you (Cleanse and Purify?)

 

I think that your band of brothers need a new name, 'Scattered' implies that they have been defeated or are disorganised. How about The Vengeful Sons?

 

P.S. The marines would be from different chapters, not legions.

[Commissar Molotov]

It simply seems odd to me to have multiple chapters banded together whose homeworlds have been destroyed by the Inquisition. The destruction of Space Marine homeworlds doesn't happen that often.

 

Perhaps you'd be better off focusing on just one chapter, and why they brought about the wrath of the Inquisition.

[Daeothar]

The marines involved do not each come from a seperate chapter methinks. Like I said they would travel in small groups, perhaps the size of a squad or half a company? See; then there's not all too many sources.

 

besides, not every chapter would have its homeworld destroyed; fleetbased chapters obviously not; one fleet to be annihalated, especially one geared towards planetfall/invasion instead of ship to ship fighting, would be a small thing for the Imperial Navy. A chapter could be made dying by killing all Apothecaries (like the Celestial Lions; suitably devious a method to be associated with the ][ ). Their fortress could be destroyed/seized or they could simply be cut off from the AM, effectively stopping their ability to use vehicles, repair armor etc.

 

See; there's plenty of ways to kill off a chapter besides Cyclonic Torpedoes or Virusbombs...

[Commissar Molotov]

765.M41:  Chapter Losses to date:  13 Lost in warp, 21 Irrecoverable battle losses, 9 Gene seed failure, 4 Inquisitorial purge, 16 Other circumstances.

 

I'm just pointing out that the Inquisition actually stomping on a marine chapter happens rather rarely. The idea in itself isn't too bad at all, it's just some thought needs to be given to it. Plus I believe that focusing on one chapter's fall from grace will give greater scope for depth and character.

 

:)

[Daeothar]

True, but then again, given the Inquisition's tendency to keep (most) things to themselves, how many of those 'Lost in the warp' and 'Other circumstances' might also be attributed to the ][? I doubt the loss of the Celestial Lions is officially listed as an Inquisitorial cleaning up... :)

[Commissar Molotov]

It certainly wouldn't be, not least because it happened 200 years after that record was taken... but I don't think you can attribute many of those to the Inquisition. I'm simply saying that the Inquisition stomping on a chapter isn't a common occurence. It's a big galaxy, and for a group to made up of different chapter members all of whom have been stomped by the Inqusition stretches credibility slightly.

[Ferrata]

I'm with Molotov on this one. Its not the amount of times its happened, but the density of it. The chances of a largeish (6) number of chapters who have all been done over by the Inq. is going to be very low due to the size of the place.

 

Ferrata

[Codexmaker]

Given the number of times that we've read about exterminatus being used (tonnes of times in my experience) it isn't that unlikely that some of these planets were used to recruit space marines and that the marines from those planets would form a coalition to punish the inquisition for destroying instead of repairing.

 

Alternatively, the Avenging Sons or Scattered Sons (or whatever he chooses to call them) may be on the rampage against the whole Imperium for a variety of actions that require the whole thing to be torn down and forged anew. (I think that there's a branch of the inquisition that thinks like this too).

 

Or perhaps the army is made up of marines from all sorts of chapters, all of which have been grievously wronged by at least 1 branch of the Imperium, and therefore they have a wide variety of enemies, but not enough to prevent them from allying with loyal marines occasionally.

 

One last alternative is for the marines to be having a private war with the ad mech, perhaps the ad mech have stolen one of their relics like what happened in Soul Drinker. This would lead to the chapter having flesh over steel, and the influence of the ad mech politically would prevent other organisations from allying with them. Perhaps instead of a relic being stolen, the chapter learns of the machine god's true nature, and decides to lead a secret crusade against Mars, with the ultimate aim of destroying the Dragon's tomb.

[taoofss]

Hmmm so i gather the answer to my question is, yes it could happen, but very unlikely.

[Codexmaker]

To be precise, there are many reasons for going to war against all or part of the Imperium while still remaining loyal to the Emperor, but they are all highly unusual and unlikely.

 

Still, with more than a 1000 chapters out there, one or more of 'em's bound to happen.