Blood Jackals

[nowfearthis]

Now as for the Blood Jackals.....yes I like the name myself.

Question is the 13th founding cursed also or just the 21st. If it is then founding is the 13th. Not sure if want them to be cursed founding for sure though...do not want to be cheesy.

 

Chapter organization is similiar to that of the Spacewolves but instead of company's they are broken down into Warbands. And each Warband is made up of several Packs. Each Warband is self sufficient. Terminators, regular marines, bikes, speeders etc...

 

Geneseed: Blood Angel tampered with in attempt to eliminate the thirst and the Black rage.....(Failed.) Cuased slight physical mutations. Canines and slitly mutated pupils that give them enhanced nightvision. Tactics, they use alot of distraction or faint tactics, make the enemy think your strength is your weakness and then destroy them. Use alot of decoy attacks.

 

Homeworld: Anubis (NO they are not going to be and Agyptus Marine chapter)

Most of the world is Desert with extreme temperatures. In a 24 hour period there is only 6 hours of sunlight before they planet is eclypsed by its moon almost daily for the rest of the time covering the world in darkness. They specialize in night fighting, intrusion tactics and extreme hostile environments.

 

They draw recruits only from this world. They are a very tribal and barbaric people who often practiced ritual sacrifice, and who in combat only take prisoners to use in the rituals. One ritual is the Hunt...every boy to prove his manhood on his 17th year must hunt down and kill a captured warrior slave with no more the a bone knife. The prey is equaly equiped. If the boy succeeds he is then given a new name amongst the tribe, a name of manhood...but if the boy fails and the hunted succeeds the hunted is accepted into the tribe or freed into the vast waste land if he refuses to join the tribe, to survive or die on his own. They believe that only true victory is the obliteration of there enemy...thus many times on this world there has been outright attempts at geneside.

 

The chapter was train by members of the Space wolves, hence although there geneseed ties to the Blood Angels, there tactics and organization are similiar to the Space wolves.

 

They refer to the thirst as the "Longing" for the blood of there enemies. They will ritually drink the blood of there fallen enemies and wil eat there hearts to gain there strength. The Black rage as "Those who have succum to the spirit of the Hunt." These marines are organized into there own elite warband the Blood Pack and used as advance shock or suicide troops. Because of there development as a chapter although they are aware of the link to the blood angel bloodline the vision of sanguinus confuses them, for in there belief system Horus would have proven himself to be the stronger warrior and thus the just victor., but they know to follow Horus is wrong and against there living God the Emperor so the shamans(equivilent of rune priests) explain the vision of Sanguinus as the Emperor's way of reminding them that strength without cunning, and bravery without wisdom will lead to your doom. That Sanguiness was a noble warrior but made a critical error in his confrontation with Horus that led to his doom. The Black rage/or The Blood lust of the hunt as they refer to it is the emperors way of helping them Avenge the death of there Primarch, and testing there control over themselves in combat when rage almost completely dictates there actions. The Shamans use many rituals to aid the members of the Blood Packs to control themselves once they have succumb to the Lust.

 

Also because of the limited amount of daylight on there home world they ritualistically prefer to launch there offensives at night to help them in there use of terror tactics. They will fight by day when nessasary but prefer the cover of nightfall. Usually using harrassing tactics during the day to manipulate and maneuver there enemies into the position they want them in and then strike after nightfall....terrorizing there Prey.

 

Motto: "We stalk our prey by day, but we hunt and kill by night."

 

More to come later. :cuss

[Ferrata]

Question is the 13th founding cursed also or just the 21st. If it is then founding is the 13th. Not sure if want them to be cursed founding for sure though...do not want to be cheesy.

13th Founding - Dark Founding - Most of the information lost about this founding

21st Founding - Cursed Founding - When they played with geneseeds, thus every chapter had some good bits, but had major drawbacks

 

Geneseed: Blood Angel tampered with in attempt to eliminate the thirst and the Black rage.....(Failed.) Cuased slight physical mutations. Canines and slitly mutated pupils that give them enhanced nightvision

 

Unless you are using the BA codex, thus having the Black Rage on TT, you will need a bigger failure mutation

 

The chapter was train by members of the Space wolves, hence although there geneseed ties to the Blood Angels, there tactics and organization are similiar to the Space wolves.

 

Chapters are generally trained by a Chapter with the same geneseed, so it can be harvested when/if the teachers die

 

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[nowfearthis]

Well as far as the Draw backs go for mutations I am still working on that...if I do a Dark or Cursed founding chapter with them......

 

I also believe its been said on here several times that it is not always the Parent geneseed chapter that trains new chapters becuase it has been used to explain why other succeesor chapters are different from there parent. Not trying to be argumentitive I have just seen it on here many times and explained that it is up to the high lords I guess as to who trains the successors after there approval for creation....just trying to get clearification. Want them to be a BA successor but don't want them to be steroetypical one. I wanted to add some flavor and plot twist...especially there tainted veiw of Sanguines's end.....how they differ from most others on this.

 

I have also modified the original post with more background at the end please check it out.

[Ferrata]

I also believe its been said on here several times that it is not always the Parent geneseed chapter that trains new chapters becuase it has been used to explain why other succeesor chapters are different from there parent.

 

It doesnt have to be the parent chapter (1st founding) who trains them, just a chapter with the same seed. Thus a Ultramarine sucessor could be trained by the Mortifactors (like my chapter) which makes them totally different from Ultras. The best way to sway your chapter from the typical BA sucessor is have some event in their life which changes them or their homeworld to be different. The pack organisation could easily come from the fact that the planet is full of tribes and thats how they organise themselves. The BA seed should only be used in the Cursed founding, or the Dark at a push, because its very hard to get away from the curse.

 

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[nowfearthis]

Well That makes sense then will work on more fluff for there homeworld then, maybe they were trained by flesh tarers or blood drinkers will work on that to...plus, I do not want to get away from the curse I just want them in there way to explain it in relation to there..cultural background...and actually want to add to the curse with the mutations...keeping the thirst and black rage just explaining it different from there point of view.do not want the to be hunted by inquisition or renegade though...maybe like the Blod Angels they are able to keep these additional dark secrets to themselves...or hidden. Really want the fangs and eye mutation to stay but open to suggestions for the negative one.

[Merkava Mk2]

::sex::

 

The chapter can be mentored by the Space Wolves if it wants to. The original cadre could have been MIA, or perhaps was ineffective in a leadership role - after all, Sanguinus-strain astartes are known for going nuts spontaneously - look at Dante's captaincy during armageddon III.

 

The Space Wolves are known for doing as they please, even when it comes to other marines - armageddon I being an example. They could definitely step in. After all, many emerging chapters cooperate with other chapters before they reach full strength, to develop combat experience without being solely responsible for a campaign.

 

I think the original is an excellent background, and that there are certain list parallels, for instance the cleric/medic combination, and need to have multiple veterans (HQs) to keep the black rage in line. There are problems with Sanguinus chapters being rather 'flighty,' if you will, and the Space Wolves' distrust of all things airborne, which is reflected in the list; but on the other hand; blood claws are jet pack equipped, and their rules could represent those marines whose degeneracy has advanced; represented by the frenzy rule and the loss of weapon skill (at a small stretch).

 

Chapters don't even have to know their ancestry, especially ones from mysterious foundings. I really appreciate the barbarism and the rituals of Anubis.

[nowfearthis]

Ok now I am confused can the be trained by a chapter that isnot of there geneseed or not, especially durring the cursed founding when it seems that all the geneseeds were tampered with so it would not be like they were getting a pure strain of there parent chapter...I mean I can go either way with the fluff...1. they were trained by the space wolves because of there cultural similarities regardless of geneseed or 2. There cultural background is why theydeveloped so differently from there parent chapter. would prefer a combination of both but just would like a clear cut answer. Also some ideas for the flawed mutation would be appreciated.

[Ferrata]

they were trained by the space wolves because of there cultural similarities regardless of geneseed

 

When the "teachers" are attached to a chapter they have no real personality, they've just been made. So they would have no culture until they have so much time to develop.

 

Personally, I think you should have them trained by a chapter with the same geneseed as their supose to have. If you want the wolves to have an effect on them, say in their young history they were in a longish war and spent a long time fighting along side the Wolves. This way you can have their battle tactics rub off on them, monkey see monkey do :devil:

 

For the culture, say the tribes are set up like that as many chapters take up organisation from their homeworld.

 

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[Commissar Molotov]

Okay, the Blood Jackals.

 

The idea of the warband structure isn't too bad. The Black Templars do it by simply another name - they have crusades. So it's simply just the terminology your chapter's using to refer to it.

 

Please, please reconsider the "Blood Angel tampered with to eliminate the Black Rage." angle, please. The Lamenters are rumoured to have tampered Blood Angels gene-seed. Rumoured. Every few weeks it seems that someone comes along with the "Blood Angels and Space Wolves mixed together to cancel eachother out." and all that jazz.

 

You might want to alter "the hunt" slightly, to make it an earlier occurence. That way your chapter would only recruit those that have passed "the hunt". Or perhaps those that leave and go into the desert are captured by your chapter. They have already left everything they know behind which makes it easier for them to enter the chapter.

 

Does the tendancy towards genocide carry through into your chapter's operations? Rather like the Flesh Tearers - has your chapter covered such events up? Have other Imperial organisations complained about your chapter?

 

although they are aware of the link to the blood angel bloodline the vision of sanguinus confuses them, for in there belief system Horus would have proven himself to be the stronger warrior and thus the just victor., but they know to follow Horus is wrong and against there living God the Emperor so the shamans(equivilent of rune priests) explain the vision of Sanguinus as the Emperor's way of reminding them that strength without cunning, and bravery without wisdom will lead to your doom. That Sanguiness was a noble warrior but made a critical error in his confrontation with Horus that led to his doom. The Black rage/or The Blood lust of the hunt as they refer to it is the emperors way of helping them Avenge the death of there Primarch

 

This causes problems, but you could accomodate it. Yes, Horus was a better warrior than Sanguinius, but the Emperor was a better warrior than Sanguinius. There's nothing wrong with respecting Horus' skills as a warrior (it doesn't automatically equal 'following him').

 

This sense that Sanguinius was beaten by Horus because he was an inferior warrior could be reflected in the fact that they've distanced themselves from their Blood Angels history. Perhaps the other Blood Angels chapters see them as savages and brutes, unworthy of Sanguinius' gene-seed.

 

It could be entirely possible that early on in the chapter's life, they served in an extended campaign with a Great Company of Space Wolves... the sons of Russ impressed them so much that it caused a marked change in their tactics.

[nowfearthis]

1. The attempt to quell the black rage failed and actually made it worse. Thats why i want to get into a few additional mutations...but do not want there geneseed crossed with spacewolves, just mutated sanguines gene.

 

2. The Hunt occurs at the age they transcend to manhood it is there first right to test there wortheness as warriors. The People of the planet accept the Blood Jackals as gods... because they are a primitive world and the Blood Jackals Citadel is in the Heart of the largest and most trecherous desert...(to be named later.) The Blood Jackals shaman comes to the different tribes for what is known as the Harvest, the right of passage where the most prominent and powerful warriors are put through very dangerous trails and only those deemed worthy are selected to join there warrior gods, the Blood Jackals.

 

3. Yes they carry the cultural belief of there homeworld over into there tactics. When they engage an enemy they hunt them down till all are destroyed and leave no survivors...if there is believed to be the taint of xenos or chaos they will destroy all who have come in contact. So yes they do practice Genoside when they deem it nessassary. There have been concerns about this by the emperium and the Inqusition about there brutal tactics, but all inquiries to this point have turned up no unfavorible findings accept the general concern and the we are watching you warning. Yes they practice ritual sacrifice of the few captured enemies they do take simply for there shamans blood rite rituals to help stem the black rage and the thirst. The also cut the hearts out of there fallen enemies and consume them...but they have enough control that this is also only done ritual after the battle has been decided and won. They do this because they believe they will absorb the power and knowledge of there fallen enemies.

 

4. There view of Sanguiness is that he was a mighty warrior but his tactics were flawed and this, not the fact that horus was stronger, was why he failed...they believe a cunning warrior is more deadly and more dangerous then a warrior that relies simply on might alone. This is why they have some minor issues with there primarch...but do not have any issues with the emperor because as you said he proved to be the ultimate warrior. Yes because of these beliefs they are looked down at by the Blood Angels and there other successors as brutes. However the do recognize and revere him as there "father" so they still do wish to seek revenge for his death and hope that there efforts will not reflect the end result of the "father".

 

5. I will rewrite it so that they are trained by the Flesh Tearers, wich is where many of there barbaric trates were reenforced by there trainers. Once there chapter was full strength they were sent on several campaings to aid the Great Space Wolve company of the Thunder Wolves, here is where over several decades they learned and addapted many of the space wolves techniques, practices and beliefs. Durring this time they also came to look upon the Space Wolves and there Primarch with great respect and a secret longing that they were from there geneseed instead of Sanguiness. This further causes rifts between them and the Parent chapter. Although they hold true to there heritage via Geneseed they have addapted most of the SW's warrior ethos and ways of combat...with the exception of not being severly opposed to flight combat.

 

6. Yes this means there are some remarkible contridictions in there beliefs versus there geneseed but this is what I want them to thrive on and makes them remarkibly different in that sence from any other BA successor.

 

7. The Blood Lust is a more intense version of the Black Rage and only the Shamans seem to be able to keep these warriors in check with there ritual practices....but they are considered to be the most deadly of warriors by the rest of the Blood Jackals. Often they are used in the faint/or distraction attacks to minipulate the enemies lines. Remeber they use alot of harrassing tactics and terror tactics and prefer to Hunt/attack at night but use the day to stalk. These are flexible tactics though....they are extremely cunning in there tactics. This is why I might break fro the BA codex and go with the trait system to accomidate there differences from tradition BA succesors.

 

8. Any suggestions on traits would be appreciated.

[Commissar Molotov]

I wasn't seriously suggesting that the Blood Jackals were mixed BA/SW DNA. I'm just saying that this particular portion of your fluff is over-done and doesn't enhance your chapter in any way. You're trying (and for the most part succeeding) to create a unique BA successor. The cursed founding angle just detracts from your story in this case.

 

The reason I suggested that the Hunt could occur earlier is that Space Marines have to recruit young children (approximately 14 being the upper limit). Accordingly, your chapter would be recruiting those who are not "men"... who do not gain respect. If your planet is a harsh one (which it ought to be to provide adequate neophytes) then it's entirely plausible that luxuries such as childhood are forgotten, and that 'adulthood' comes earlier. You say that the Hunt is their first rite to test their worthiness as warriors. In which case, your chapter would be taking boys before they've been proven as warriors.

 

The idea of ritual sacrifice is interesting, certainly.

 

Your chapter's belief system is rather skewed. Obviously it's up to you, but it seems rather curious that they're venerating someone who is, in effect, a failure. I've given you my thoughts - that perhaps the idea that they're almost ashamed of their BA heritage drove them to accepting some of the Space Wolves' customs would be interesting - but it's up to you in the end. Most BA chapters view the Black Thirst as a curious strength - your chapter could be ashamed of it.

 

It's entirely possible that your marines were trained by the Flesh Tearers; you say this though, regarding the Space Wolves:

a secret longing that they were from there geneseed instead of Sanguiness.

 

Which seems to lend strength to the idea that they ought to perhaps not revere Sanguinius as much as you said earlier. There's a great Dichotomy, but it goes further than perhaps you really want it to.

 

I look forward to seeing what you write up. :)

[nowfearthis]

1. Perhaps your right about the cursed founding and tampering with the geneseed, maybe they will be a 13th dark founding with no tampering to the geneseed, perhaps the mutations are just a natural occurance from the genetic consumption of the hearts of some of there enemies over the millenia.

 

2. did not know that the Space marines took neophytes so young, and very good point since it is a very harsh desert world with few sources of water and agriculture. So will change that to. So Maybe they go through the right of the Hunt at about 13 and the "harvest" by the shamans occurs around the age of say 17 giving them time to mature a little as warriors.

 

3. Good point about Sanguines to with there view point on success as a warrior, so they are somewhat ashamed of there link to his bloodline and view the dreams about him as a curse. A way the emperor has reminded them of past failures possibly.

 

4. There time spent in service with the SW's has made them long to be from there lineage...secretly though...but apparent by there actions. and adopting there philosophies.

 

5. Do not want them to look negatively on the black rage though they look at it as enhanceing there warrior abilities.

 

Please keep the help and ideas comming.

[nowfearthis]

So here is my Idea on there view on Sanguinuis. Since they look negatively upon him because of there belief system they believe they must constantly put themselves in harms way to "repent" for his failure. While being trained by the flesh tearers these beliefs came to light and cause animosity and confrontation between the two chapters. This came to fruition when there training was complete the flesh tearers refused to go on a sustained campaign with the Blood Jackals. After there view of Sanguinuis came to light most BA successor chapters turned there back on the Blood Jackals. They only participated in minor engagements until the great company of The Thunder Wolves was sent on a mission to destroy an Ork Invasion force and the Blood Jackals were sent in support of them. During this time the Blood Jackals spent much time with these Sons Of Russ and heard many the tail of his deeds and bravery they began to revere this Great Primarch more then there own....Just for starts and I know I need to go into more detail...but it puts an interesting spin on them as a BA successor that holds contempt for there own primarch because they believe they are paying for his past sins and failures....so what do you think?

[Commissar Molotov]

Okay, that's a very good start indeed. Now, you need to work out why they came to look upon Sanguinius negatively. Also, the Blood Angels and their ilk revere their primarch to an incredible degree. If your chapter thinks as it does, you might want to add that you've had a few skirmishes against the Blood Angels or one of their successors.

 

Also, nobody particularly "sends" marine chapters to battle. The Chapter Master's word is law (and lore) amongst the Marines. What he decides happens. So, perhaps your chapter was in a convenient position to serve along side the Space Wolves.

 

As you said, it puts an interesting spin on the BA successor angle. I'll be glad to see what you come up with when you write it out properly.

[nowfearthis]

I am simply waiting on a few books I ordered includeing the BA codex to get time lines and facts straight so I can write it all up properly....and since I am doing them as a dark 13th founding I really want to make sure that I have all the info I need to do this right.There will be no geneseed manipulation etc...the effect of the Dark founding on this chapter along with there cultural link is what will probably drive there negative view of there primarch. But thanks for all the help and any additional ideas or critisism is appreciated. will post there history soon.

[Krooter]

That chapter is very similar to my Mourning Jackals chapter!!!

 

Same geneseed, same warband idea, 13th Founding etc.

 

Its scary :lol:

[nowfearthis]

Sorry if that bothers you. I did noyt even know there was another chapter that even had the name jackals in it. Do they also look negatively upon there Geneseed Heritage? If it is of conflict I will make some slight changes to differenciate the two. I am about to post there story. I was originally going to go with 21st founding but did not want to over do the manipulated geneseed issue. Is there a link with your fluff so I can read it to make sure I do not take away from your chapter?

[nowfearthis]

+++++++Transmission++++Follows++++++++++++

 

Reporting from Planet Citadel in outer rim+++++++++++++

 

Inquisitor Mareus Denilleaus++++++++++++++++++++++

 

Date erased ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

I have been embedded on this world for several months now monitoring the indigenous population for there suitability as candidates for one of the new chapters designated for creation. The Planet is a harsh world covered mostly in desert my lords, with very few sources of above ground water available. Those that do exist are high contested and it seems like battles rage several times within a standard week over the rights to use these sources. The agricultural system here is also very limited, although there are several plants here that are highly eatable and cultivated by the tribes. There is only about 6 to 8 hours of daylight per day during which time the planet becomes almost unbearably hot. But once the sun crests behind the close orbiting moon the remaining 16 to 18 hours of this world are in a cold pitch black night. There are several indigenous large predators here also. One that the local populous seems to revere the most a large dog like animals that travel in packs. These animals stalk there prey by daylight but only seem to outright hunt in the night. The people look to them as animal brothers or kindred spirits because it seems they have modeled there own tribal organization of Similarities to these animals. The people have a strong warrior ethos and it seems as though blatant sacrifice is looked down on and virtually worthless unless it serves the ultimate victory....otherwise it is deemed a futile gesture...if a warrior is destined to die then it is simply there time, nothing else. The fight well and are extremely organized in the structure in battle. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The people here are primitive and practice many ancient rights and rituals, some of which are rather disturbing and bloody. They are a tall muscularly built people with a medium complexion and there skin gives off a rough leathery looking appearance, even in the young ones. I believe that when the sun is present there is little protection from some of its harmful radiation and this may be the cause of there physical appearance. The male child begins training to become a warrior almost as soon as they begin to walk my lords. More to follow.+++++ END TRANSMISSION+++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

++++++++++Second Report+++++++

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++from what I have observed the males go through a right of passage around there 13th year when they become men in the eyes of there people and warriors. The trail involves hunting down a more seasoned enemy warrior and dispatching them with only a knife made of crude design. These people in combat are very efficient. They use many different tactics and tend to manipulate there enemy into a position of weakness through many fainted and probing strikes. Although they are extremely ruthless and barbaric once they do engage, they show many tell signs of being excellent candidates. The Only concern is there over zealous actions while engaging an adversary. They will not retreat once they have completely committed to an engagement and they will quite literally fight to the last man. In conjunction with that they accept very few prisoners if any at all sometimes and will practice wholesale slaughter of a rival. They will give a merciful and swift end to a fallen enemy who hangs onto life on the battlefield. The seriously disturbing portion of this is that I have seen them remove the hearts of there fallen enemies and devoured them, not for purely cannibalistic reasons though. I believe that they view it as a way of drawing strength from the fallen adversary. However I believe once a suitable force is place together for training many of these practices can be weeded out and removed.++++++++++++++

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+++++++++++++++Third Report++++++++++

My lords I am glad to here that there has been approval for beginning of selection and training of candidates for the new chapter. I am however concerned about the selection of Brother Warriors from The Flesh Tearers chapter to be the cadre for the new neophytes. Given there sorted past and amount of reports over the concern of some of there tactics I am confused as to why they have been selected....If the Sanguinuis gene is to be used in this new chapters creation why not send cadre from the Blood Angels.+++++End Transmission+++++++++++++++++

Response+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

My lords please excuse my ignorance I did not mean to question your selections and reasons thou arte far wiser and more knowledgeable then I. We have begun the selection and training process of the new neophytes...and as of now there has been nothing but wondrous success.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Report++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

My lords the new scouts have proven themselves extremely worthy on a conflict with an expeditionary Ork force the New scouts in aid of the Flesh Tearers have show remarkable ability. They maneuvered well and manipulated the Ork force right into the hands of the Flesh Tearers. +++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

Report+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I am glad to here that approval has been given for complete formation of the new chapter to be name the "Blood Jackals". There have been some concerns now though.. The new neophytes keep talking of dreams, dreams that touch there inner soul...dreams about a disturbing loss of combat a reckless and useless sacrifice. They seem to view these dreams as a message from the exulted emperor almost like a curse. They believe it is him telling them of past failures and reminding them not to make the same errors....these dreams and there interpretations have seemed to cause a rift between the and the Flesh Tearer Cadre...any additional knowledge and assistance on this matter would be appreciated.+++++++++++++++++++++++

 

Report+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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My lords we have almost completed the formation of the Blood Jackals, It seems however over the years and minor engagements that they have become increasingly hostile towards there cadre of Flesh Tearers and the feeling is most definitely reciprocated. There is a growing animosity and distain between the two.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

Report+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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My Lords there has been an altercation between the two Chapters the Flesh Tearers and the Blood Jackals, It seemed to start on there last expeditionary mission to stem an Ork invasion force, and upon completion of the mission many of the leaders of the two chapters erupted into argument..... The argument in questioned seemed to revile around Sanguinuis and some interpretations of his history. The Flesh Tearers have refused any further Contact or aid with the Blood Jackals and are in the process of leaving the system on there own.++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

 

This is what I have so far...I know I need to go into more detail and edit the content. I need to develop some additional characters and explain some more which I will this is just a start but read and tell me what you think.

[Krooter]

You don't have to change anything, as neither of our chapters are official :lol:

[nowfearthis]

Now I need help completeing this...I need to figure out a way that the blood angels have a confrontation with them over the sanguiness issue and outright refuse to ever fight along side them....and how this carries on to all other BA successors......any good Ideas? :(

[jimmythemoose]

You may want to get rid of some of the +++'s in your report as they are too wide for the thread.

[nowfearthis]

I will try with the next post but got writers block right now over how to finish this.

Still have some critical issues to work out....about, like how they came to have confrontations with BA's over sanguiness issue....

[dragonking]

I really like this twist on these sons of sanguines being a BA fan myself...keep it up and do alot of background I would love to see how this twist develops.

[Bloodwraith]

Please for the love of Sanguinius run a spell check over you fluff, i keep stumbling over mistakes which detracts from the story.

[nowfearthis]

Sorry I am dyslexic and even with spell check alot seems to eek through, will try harder though and will see if I can get a friend to proof read further posts that are long. besides that issue though what are your thoughts?