Ferrata Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 (edited) If you Edited August 4, 2005 by Ferrata Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Librarian- Melechor Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 (edited) This thought has crossed my mind a few times before, i think it is a good way to gather the forum together and bind our many ideas into one, so you can count me in. I believe history will be first once we get this rolling? Edited August 4, 2005 by Librarian- Melechor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-938702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironloki Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Sounds good. They (red hunters) would be cool as Xenos hunters (simply using proxy rules before the codex is released and/or deathwatch).  Its going to be hard to get people to decide upon things but i'll give my cents. I would love to base them as usual on a culture...however i'll hold myself back for now :)  I suppose a couple of other basic things to think about would be.  Are they an old chapter or newly founded Are they planet or fleet based  ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-938952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 I'd be interested in contributing to the project. Good to see you've put up more chapters than just the Red Hunters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-938994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Tiberius Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 I think it sounds interesting. Â As for the Red Hunters, It just occured to me that they could be another experiment like the Exorcists (like you mentioned before), But instead of demon posession, they are infected with Xeno biology (possibly tyrranid). Kind of like a Tyrranid Magos, but then cured. We could give them the preferred enemy trait. Â thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 (edited) What purpose would infecting a marine with a dangerous alien parasite serve? Most of the tyranid parasites are hyper-aggressive and evolve and adapt incredibly quickly. Far too quickly for a marine's immune system (so we can't justify it by saying it would make a marine more resilient to a tyranid attack). Â It would not do anything apart from require dangerous surgery to remove it once it's in the body. And if we're talking about a genestealer host of some kind, I don't think even the Inquisition would countenance it. Edited August 4, 2005 by Commissar Molotov Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellChyld Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 gonna have to back the commisar on that opinion. GW fluff shows how much trouble screwin with genestealers can cuase already I dont seem them doing it not eve a horusian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironloki Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 I have to agree. A daemon spirit you can control to an extent and contain. Then your inquisitor mutters a few holy words and poof its gone ;) Â But with nids its an actual living thing...think of it like the creatures from Aliens where they nest inside you. Holy words and water wont touch it. What you would need would be a big huge sword ;) Â Unless they try and tap into the psyche of the Hive mind but im unsure if this can be done :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Some basic ideas: Â Â Red Hunters: The =][= in their heraldry obviously gives the indication that they have some sort of affiliation with the Inquisition. I would perhaps look to the Pre-Heresy Emperor's Children. They were honoured with the right to wear the Aquila. Perhaps the Red Hunters have been honoured by the Inquisition and been given the right to wear the =][= as part of their heraldry. Â I would suggest that they're not that specialised with regards to a particular ordo. Each Ordo (aside from Hereticus) has its' own Militant Order, and countless storm troopers. (Despite what you say, the Sisters of Battle are not the militant order of the Ordo Hereticus, they are simply affiliated with it, and it says as much in the codex). Â Eagle Warriors The yellow kneedpad would be company colour. This marine is from the second company, so to some extent they adhere to the codex. Â Marauders A fast-moving chapter, but perhaps mechanised(ish) with lots of rhinos, rather than bikes? Would explain the tactical marine with bolter. Â Skull Bearers Some kind of death-fetish/mortuary cult similar to the Mortifactors, perhaps. Â Warmongers Unsure about these. A Warmonger is a rather negative term for us, but someone who deals death, and perhaps enjoys it. Could be a Blood Angels successor in the same vein as the Flesh Tearers. Could perhaps be another White Scars chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeothar Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Then again, who says it needs to be a Tyranid? It could be some sort of spliced Ork genome to stimulate regeneration, or something like those Warp creatures that hunt psychers... Â Anything to make them more unique that can be explained through existing rules really. Â What most people seem to forget is that the Galaxy is teeming with life and not half of it is made up of the known races! (I sincerely hope codex Xenoshunters will remedy this). RT/40K used to have a lot of alien races at one time! Â Anyway, this chapter could be augmented by alien technology or biology (heresy in the eys of most though) and work for the Ordo Xenos: Where the Mentors are the testbed for alien weaponry adapted to Imperial use, this 'new' chapter could be a testbed for other advances, no matter how heretical these are right now... Â As for the collaborate fluff thing; it might work, but speaking for myself, I like to be in utter control of my fluff, suggestions are welcomed but control rests by me. I don't know about others but I'm guessing this sentiment is felt by a lot of us. This will limit our options a bit I fear, as it is all too easy for one person to take control, with others 'helping out'. I'm not saying I won't contribute (see above) though, but this might prove to be an argument-prone endeavor, something we see all too often in Amicus... Â Ah well, this might prove to be a fun and cool thread regardless, so I'm in. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Collaborate fluff will be a problem, but Ferrata has had a good idea by making us choose chapters that GW's already laid the groundwork for. It allows us to focus our efforts. Â Whilst we're all aware (or should be) that more races than those available to us in the game exist, I'm not sure that we should be splicing marines with anything. The Imperium's knowledge of technology like that appears to be rather debased, and if it happened, it would go badly wrong, as far as I can tell, and from what the 21st Founding shows us. Â Orks are made from algae. It would be like trying to hybridise a Space Marine and a rosebush, for example. :) Â I think we can make a unique and interesting chapter without having to resort to genetically mixing a marine with any race. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeothar Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Who knows what arcane technologies they have uncovered in the future of 40K? I know; it would go horribly wrong anyway... Â We could dub it the Frankenstein Incident... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted August 4, 2005 Author Share Posted August 4, 2005 I believe history will be first once we get this rolling?Well, once we've chosen a chapter, we'll do more of what we're doing now, just a general discussion about the chapter and it's ways. Probably dipping slightly into all the topics so we end up with more of a connected chapter. History can be written by several people, maybe each person having a time period to do their battle (or steal Neph's way of doing a majorish event for each founding after theres :D ). Good to see you've put up more chapters than just the Red Hunters.  I was expecting other people to suggest some as well, but I thought I'll add others to make sure we have a choice. Others can be added if anyone can find one with a half-decent hook  As for the collaborate fluff thing; it might work, but speaking for myself, I like to be in utter control of my fluff, suggestions are welcomed but control rests by me. I don't know about others but I'm guessing this sentiment is felt by a lot of us. This will limit our options a bit I fear, as it is all too easy for one person to take control, with others 'helping out'. I'm not saying I won't contribute (see above) though, but this might prove to be an argument-prone endeavor, something we see all too often in Amicus...  True, Rex had these concerns and so did I. This is not my chapter so I feel no connection to them, but hopefully we all will at the end (like a big group hug with the chapter in the middle :wub: ) So the fluff can go anyway. This is mainly to give people something else to think about.  Ferrata Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmythemoose Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 (edited) IIRC before the new SM codex came out there was a lot of rumours about the ultras. One of them was a picture of an ultra librarain with a trapped ripper built into his psychic hood. The rumour was that the librarian could use the creature to tap into the power of the hive mind and see what the tyranids were planning. I think it would be quite a cool idea for the redhunters. Edited August 4, 2005 by jimmythemoose Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 We ought to perhaps consider what chapter we're going to do before we go much further. Whilst it goes against what Daeothar was saying, we ought perhaps to have one person who is the decision-maker. Otherwise we'll have arguments with neither side willing to back down. As this is his project, I'd volunteer Ferrata for the post. Â Jimmy: Â I would be against any chapter 'specialising' in destroying rogue chapters. There aren't that many rogue chapters, so the chapter wouldn't be used that often. Marines are to valuable and too rare to be left training and not being used on the field of battle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted August 4, 2005 Author Share Posted August 4, 2005 Whilst it goes against what Daeothar was saying, we ought perhaps to have one person who is the decision-maker. Otherwise we'll have arguments with neither side willing to back down. As this is his project, I'd volunteer Ferrata for the post. Â People keep signing me up for things *grumble grumble* Sounds like a good idea. Maybe go for something along the lines that if it comes down to 2 things, I have the final say (eek :wub: ) but we go with the group feeling if theres a majority. Â Any suggestions for other Chapters? Maybe some of the other 2nd Foundings that never got anywhere (like Black Guard) Â Ferrata Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironloki Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 I like the red hunters but I also thought the  Imperial Castellans looked cool  http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/illnino/55.jpg  As did the Knights of Gryphonne  http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/illnino/49.jpg  Masters of Proteus (Im loving that colour scheme :wub: )  http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/illnino/60.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Continuing my brainstorming (until you people find an idea you like:) Â Imperial Castellans A castellan is the keeper or governor of a castle. Not sure what to make of defensive marines. Perhaps they live on a fuedal world or the like, where their base is closer to a fortress than a monastery? Â Knights of Gryphonne Again a link to knights, which could suggest a fuedal world. However, they wouldn't be able to recruit knights, as they'd be too old. Not sure what to think. Â Masters of Proteus Not 'sons of' or the like, but 'masters'. Perhaps a chapter that doesn't believe in humility. Perhaps similar to the Marines Malevolent, they believe themselves to be superior to those they protect? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted August 4, 2005 Author Share Posted August 4, 2005 I'm personally liking the Red Hunters, Marauders and Masters at the moment. Â Thanx Molotov for the brainstorming :wub: Â Who's is everyone's favourite so far? Â Ferrata Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironloki Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Perhaps we could run it down to say 4 or 5 choices and get a poll if need be. Â I like the masters but the Red hunters have a lot more areas to venture into with the inquisition symbol :wub: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmythemoose Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Red hunters are currently my favourite. Â Maybe the knights of gryphonne have some relationship with the forgeworld Gryphonne IV, perhaps giving them some link to the AM? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Librarian- Melechor Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Red Hunters in first for me, the masters look so cool though. :wub: Maybe the knights of gryphonne have some relationship with the forgeworld Gryphonne IV, perhaps giving them some link to the AM? Â So we would have once linked to the mechanicus and one to inquisition, nice thinking jimmy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted August 4, 2005 Author Share Posted August 4, 2005 So we would have once linked to the mechanicus and one to inquisition, nice thinking jimmy! Â Well no, because we would only do one. But if this one goes well, then we wont say no to a second one. Lets get this one started first though. Â Ferrata Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Librarian- Melechor Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 I know, i was saying we could have two to choose from. Don't mind my foolish thoughts, i am here for the ride. :wub: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted August 4, 2005 Author Share Posted August 4, 2005 Some more chapters for the idea factory :wub:  Avenging Sons http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/Vulkans-Guard/IA/30.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/Vulkans-Guard/IA/mpavsons.gif  A chapter which has a constant need for revenge, seeking out those which has done harm to the chapter. Maybe they where betrayed and spend all the time seeking revenge (ala Dark Angels and Fallen)  Warrior Adepts http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/Vulkans-Guard/IA/mpwaradp.gif  A chapter which is more military than other chapters. No belief in the Emperor or the primarchs. They are just a tool to the imperium?  Ferrata Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/81181-collaborative-ia-article/#findComment-939323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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