terror bunny Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 I have painted quite alot of different marine forces, most of which have only been a few units strong But i've allways had a thing for those chapters involved in the Badab war. The Executioners are a chapter that are pretty much overlooked because of their difficult colour scheme and virtually non-exsistant background, but seem to me to have good potential for expansion which is why i have set this post. Is anyone interested? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Well they seem an intresting chapter, but what do you mean by anyone intrested?If you want to write an IA, lots of people will be happy to read it and comment on it. If your looking for info Captain Stern's Executioner Information Link loki was on about but forgot to put in Ferrata Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-949879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironloki Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Are you wanting advice on creating an article or are you trying to create a collaborative topic? If its the latter that may be difficult as there is alread a group project currently ongoing ^_^ You'll need to horde everything you can find on the badaab war as a basis and then try to work from there if possible. There was also some rules for them that may be of some help ^_^ Here's some Pdf "rules" not completely official but it may add that extra bit of knowledge ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-949880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
terror bunny Posted August 14, 2005 Author Share Posted August 14, 2005 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v383/TerrorBunny/Executioners.jpg Heres the Colours of the Executioners, from what i can gather they are the only marine chapter to have a camo scheme as their chapter colours. Well guys i'm looking for everything, collaboration, advice and anything else people might want too chunk in. ^_^ I would like to know if they have exsisting Traits as that could be a starting point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-949889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironloki Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Thanks for adding the link Ferrata, must have clicked wrong thing ^_^ They were on the Rebel side (Big mistake) and in those rules it gives them cleanse and purify with death before dishonour so that may be a good start ^_^ . Also try and track down the msn badaab war group as they had some nice things floating around Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-949894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 When Search-Fu attacks I remember reading somewhere that they follow the same colour change for tacticals/assault/devs as the BA (helmets) do on their shoulder pads. Ferrata Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-949900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
terror bunny Posted August 14, 2005 Author Share Posted August 14, 2005 Aye for some reason i cant get the pdf rules......... I was one of the first members in the msn badab war group but kinda dropped away from it - where do you think i found the colours..... ^_^ unfortunatly they have have not really made any progress as far as the Executioners are concerned (although there is some tasty artwork there.) i figured i'd get more help here at the B&C. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-949904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Tiberius Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Well I don't know much about them, but I have drawn a few sketches of some executioner marines... executioner pic 1 executioner 2 I am currently working on a Space Sharks IA and I have them capturing the Mantis Warriors homeworld. So That gives you the Star Phantoms capturing the Executioners homeworld. There is also a Badab War MSN group. You might gleen some info from their message board. Badab War group Hope that helps! ^_^ +oops, I didn't realise you were on the project. I haven't posted there since spring.+ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-949907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
terror bunny Posted August 14, 2005 Author Share Posted August 14, 2005 cheers, nice pics BTW. I'm trying to think up some reason of why they would have rebelled and i think the answer could be in there name, they sound like a harsh law and order type of chapter and perhaps Huron convinced them that the Imperium had grown corrupt and that their actions would be the salvation of mankind.......? i could imagine them being similar to the night lords maybe even pocessing prison ships and the like. Any thoughts on this angle? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-949914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 As far as I am aware, Lufgt Huron was aided by the other chapters because they thought the sovereignty of the Astartes was under threat. You can see more pictures of the Executioners here and here Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-949930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
terror bunny Posted August 14, 2005 Author Share Posted August 14, 2005 well thats one of the theories, theres another that says huron held hostage the chaptermasters of the Lamenters, Executioners and Mantis Warriors. Personally i would think that the precieved corruption of the Imperium by the sinister =I= could be a plausible catalyst for the rebellion or something along those lines. your explanation would fit in with my outlook, considering that it would take alot to spur several chapters into rebellion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-949987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
terror bunny Posted August 14, 2005 Author Share Posted August 14, 2005 Executioners Ok so what do we know about this chapter - Geneseed: unknown Founding: unknown Colours: Urban Camoflage - single shoulder pad colour denotes squad. Homeworld: Striken from chapter records? forefit to the Star Phantoms. Chapter Status: 100 year penitent Crusade (ongoing) Fleet Staus: unknown Combat Doctrine: Cleanse and purify, Death before Dishonour. Chapter Beliefs: unknown Brief History:++ The Executioners joined forces with Lugft Huron and his Tiger Claws chapter aswell as the Lamenters and Mantis Warriors chapters in the fourth quadrant rebellion better known as the Badab War for Reasons Unknown. After the fall of the Tiger Claws homeworld (Badab) and the surrender of the Lamenters the war degenerated into a series of close sieges, seeing by all accounts the Mantis Legion and their homeworld fall to the Space Sharks Chapter - while the Executioners were defeated by the Star Phantoms. After a series of =I= investigations it was deemed that the Executioners, Mantis Warriors and Lamenters could continue to to serve the Imperium after each completing a 100 year Penitent Crusade. The homeworlds of the Executioners and Matis Warriors were forefitted to the Star Phantoms and Space Sharks.++ SO, this is basically what we know about the Executioners - it's not much but more than some better known chapters have. Instead of going over what is already known, i will concentrate on filling as many gaps as possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-950026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Homeworld: Striken from chapter records? forefit to the Star Phantoms.Chapter Status: 100 year penitent Crusade (ongoing) Homeworld: Handed over to loyalist forces of unknown chapter, probably Space Sharks and Star Phantoms They would be at the end of the crusade by know, as it started in 912.M41, so they've got 13 years left. The most reasonable reason for why they fell is that they we're going through a rough patch and sort an easy way out. Like all people, when times are hard, extreme views become more realisitic Ferrata Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-950217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
terror bunny Posted August 14, 2005 Author Share Posted August 14, 2005 well seeing as GW are unlikely to clarifiy this fluff in the near distant future, and no one else has claimed any different i will say that the Star Phantoms took the Executioners homeworld and that they removed all reference to the planet from their records. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-950261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 well seeing as GW are unlikely to clarifiy this fluff in the near distant future, and no one else has claimed any different i will say that the Star Phantoms took the Executioners homeworld and that they removed all reference to the planet from their records. Then you need to answer this question. Why? Why did the star phantoms remove all references of the planet from their records, and why dont the executioners remember it. Ferrata Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-950267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
terror bunny Posted August 14, 2005 Author Share Posted August 14, 2005 sorry i meant that the Executioners erased all mentions of their homeworld from their records, remember we are looking at this for their perspective. ^_^ why would they do this? it is their dirty little secret. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-950271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Tiberius Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Sounds kind of like the Dark angel's and their whole sweeping the "Luthor Heresy" under the rug. :lol: Here are some thoughts for you feel free to take or leave what ever you like ;) Geneseed: I remember someone in the MSN group mentioned a rumor that they were possibly linked to the Blood Angels because their color coding for the squad types are similiar. Whether this is something GW hinted at or not I am not sure, as they did not cite a reference. Another suggested the Raven Guard as they are known to show the squad type on their shoulder rims. Either are viable options so it's really up to you. Founding: Not sure but I believe they were 21st. Most of the participants in the war were from that founding. You could easily tie them to that founding without problem. Most of the founding are messed up but not all. The whole turning traitor could be there "21st founding" curse. Up to you though. Homeworld: My suggestion is that only the chapter master and Librarium/Reclusium Masters know of their betrayal. They want to put their shame behind them, so new recruits are told that they were always fleet based. They could even say that they were sent on crusade because they were the best. I thought it would be cool if they had an Emperor's Champion kind of guy with a big honkin' axe (the black axe!) and a black executioner's hood. :P ! Like I said you are free to take or leave whatever ideas you like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-950492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lotharthehuscarl Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 I intended to paint an Executioners army for the Badab War project that was a flop about 6 months ago. I was going to use Cleanse and Purify, See but Don't be Seen, and Flesh over Steel. I still have the concept mini that I must have spent 4 hours making. I'll post pictures if you want, but I'd have to glue him back together since I stepped on him a while back ^_^ @Cpt Tiberius: not all of the chapters that participated in the Badab War were part of the cursed founding, only the Minotaurs and the Lameneters. That would be just too silly of a coincidence if the 21st founding had a reunion and then decided to blow each other up. I always pictured the Executioners as a lost Dark Angels or Raven Guard successor, but that's just my own crazy imagination. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-951542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Tiberius Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 I know they weren't all 21st founding, just gave it as an example. Since several were from the 21st, he COULD make the Executioners 21st as well if he wanted. I personally would like to see your concept mini. Whatever happened to the Badab competition? Did it just sort of fall apart? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-951610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironloki Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 I personally would like to see your concept mini. Whatever happened to the Badab competition? Did it just sort of fall apart? Wasn't chapter master Tu-shan the main element behind it before his hiatus? ^_^ If so I suppose you could ressurect such a project - including fluff, Painting modelling etc again - perhaps with a mod championing it - But I suppose thats another question for another thread ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-951614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
terror bunny Posted August 16, 2005 Author Share Posted August 16, 2005 Well i have just finished a special weapon trooper and a Termie and they look quite cool. ;) :rolleyes: I'll try to get some sort of pic taken. They have the whole camo "hit N run" look to them methinks, so why not have them as White Scar or Raven Guard Successors. I would agree that 'See and not be seen' would be an obvious trait for them, and i dont have any probs with cleanse and purify. Drawback flesh over steel sounds ok and could explain why the siege mentality of the Badab war got the better of them. For a fluff perspective i would maintain that they are a Law and Order type of Chapter and perhaps have an aloofness that could have attributed to their downfall. Conversion thoughts - SW power axes would make ideals 'theme' weapons, the vet sgt with double headed power axe could make for a cool champion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-952261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
terror bunny Posted August 16, 2005 Author Share Posted August 16, 2005 I've had an idea about the Camoflage used by the Executioners, i doubt it would be very wise for troops to to bare a camo scheme that conflicts with their surroundings so maybe their could be a Tech element to the colours - something like flash camo which could be projected onto the armour from built in holo-projectors? sort of like the Mentors with experimental equipment. just a thought for making them more interesting...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/82042-executioners-badab-and-beyond/#findComment-952504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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