DIY Chapters

[Thaelion Hexis]

Is it ok to use the insignia of the parent chapter when creating a successor chapter? It would asume yes, but I don't know if other people thoought this is just lazy.

[Plague BeAst]

You could certainly use it as the basis for your DIY, it shows reverence and respect for your parent chapter. Obviously there'll need to be discernable differences between yours, and the original, however.

[DraXaus]

Game Workshop dose it all the time. Just look at these two.

Red Wolves-

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/4228/redwolves4xi.jpg

Space Wolves-

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/2108/spacewolves2pi.jpg

[Brother Tyler]

While GW often uses similar badges with different Chapters, the example is incorrect. The Red Wolves have never been stated to be a Successor of the Space Wolves. Indeed, only one Successor of the Space Wolves is known, and it's not the Red Wolves.

 

The use of the parent Chapter's badge, or a derivative thereof, would certainly be an homage. I doubt that a Successor would use the exact badge. Most likely you'd see elements of the parent badge incorporated. For example, the Crimson Fists, like their progenitors, the Imperial Fists, use a fist as their Chapter badge. They've changed the style of the fist, however, as well as the color. Likewise several Ultramarines Successors use derivatives of the omega in their badge.

[ironloki]

While GW often uses similar badges with different Chapters, the example is incorrect. The Red Wolves have never been stated to be a Successor of the Space Wolves. Indeed, only one Successor of the Space Wolves is known, and it's not the Red Wolves.

 

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And we all know what happened to the only Wolves successor ^_^

 

As stated you can take your parent chapters insignia but changing it slightly would be the best way especially to avoid confusion. Sometimes chapters take on the symbols of the chapter who trained them rather than their geneseed "Parents" ;)

[DraXaus]

While GW often uses similar badges with different Chapters, the example is incorrect. The Red Wolves have never been stated to be a Successor of the Space Wolves. Indeed, only one Successor of the Space Wolves is known, and it's not the Red Wolves.

 

Yeah, I knew that. And I should have stated that, but the point I was trying to get across, is that Game Workshop ercycles a lot of their badges, Successor or not. Knights or the Raven is also a good example of this, as they use a Black raven, with a silver background.

[Daeothar]

For instance, the badges from Black Consuls = White Consuls = Mentor Legion = Raptors (approx.) = Warriors Adept (approx.)...

 

So sure; recycle all you can! ^_^

[Gator_of_Bahamut]

Fluff wise, i think using the parent chapter's logo as a starting point makes perfect since. As far as GW recycling badges, though, I think it's simply them being cheap and lazy.

[Commissar Molotov]

Alternatively, it could be considered them being prudent - allowing new players to use the decal sheets for multiple chapters. :rolleyes:

[Daeothar]

The ones provided by GW are all pretty basic and common symbols, a cross, an eagle's head etc etc. These could be combined at leisure, in any colorcombination you'd want.

 

So expanding on the line I put up earlier, you could very well go for the

 

Brazen Consuls,

Crimson Consuls,

Verdant Consuls,

etc etc...

[Gator_of_Bahamut]

@Molotov: Not really. The symbols are already colored for the standard chapters, and each sheet only has enough for a few marines or vehicles of each chapter.

[schoon]

Back to the original question at hand:

 

IMO, it is a bit too lazy to simply reuse a chapter symbol. Is there precedent for simply changing the colors? Yes. Is that possibly a leftover from GW's early fluffological days? Perhaps.

 

I feel that creating a badge, even if derivative, is an important part in establishing the character of a chapter. Personally, I'd rather have something at least a little unique.

[Daeothar]

For me, the creation of the chapter badge was a process interwoven with the creation of the name, the colourscheme and the fluff. At one point I just sat down and started doodling after I had ran some ideas through my head.

 

If the direction your ideas take you in the path of the symbols GW has made already, I don't see why you wouldn't want to use them. It's a lot easier on your painting skills and time if you do. And most of thoese generic ones look pretty cool anyway...

[Commissar Molotov]

Back to the original question at hand:

 

IMO, it is a bit too lazy to simply reuse a chapter symbol. Is there precedent for simply changing the colors? Yes. Is that possibly a leftover from GW's early fluffological days? Perhaps.

 

I feel that creating a badge, even if derivative, is an important part in establishing the character of a chapter. Personally, I'd rather have something at least a little unique.

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The irony is that the chapter in your avatar uses the Fleur-de-lys - also used by the Sisters of Battle. ;)

[Captain_Sevrius]

The sisters of battle are not a space marine chapter; and therefore his avatar marine's chapter symbol is not a copy from a predecessor/parent chapter....

[Nine_Breaker]

I feel that creating a badge, even if derivative, is an important part in establishing the character of a chapter. Personally, I'd rather have something at least a little unique.

 

But the Fleur de lys is hardely unique either way.

 

Anyways, concerning reusing another chapter's symbol, I certainly dont support it at all. However, if you alter it in some way to make it somewhat different, whether you change the color or just add something to it, I'd be fine with somebody using a similar symbol for their chapter.

[Commissar Molotov]

The sisters of battle are not a space marine chapter; and therefore his avatar marine's chapter symbol is not a copy from a predecessor/parent chapter....

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Sevrius, whilst I'm very aware of the subtle ;) differences between Sisters of Battle and Space Marines, I was making a light-hearted reference to Schoon's comment that he would want something 'at least a little unique'.

 

I'll stick to cold-heartedly mutilating fluff, then... people can't misinterpret me that way. ^_^

[Captain_Sevrius]

I know... *sighs* I dont know almost any people who freehand their own symbols these days; dangit nangit ;) sorry about the misinterpretation, I should have picked that actually ^_^ Ah well.

 

Personally, my own Death Eagles Chapter uses the same 'eagle' motif as the GDI forces from Tiberian Sun (anybody who doesnt know what Im talking about needs to be shot immediately :D ) and the motif fits my DIY assault-orientated chapter's theme/s as well.

 

Best Regards,

[Gator_of_Bahamut]

The GDI logo is hardly very original, just a fancy eagle. Besides, the Red Alert games were much better! The units there were much more like something out of WH40k. The rocketeers would make some great jump troops! And I can just picture Orks in a Kirox airship. The APC is very much like a Rhino in the way it can be converted, and the Soviet tanks scream Forge World.

[Captain_Sevrius]

Lets not get off topic now; all I said was I use that motif.... ;)