Grimdarkness Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Frist i'm posting here cause i did'nt know where it whold fit liber or index so bear with me. I know that the sallies have no known succeser's and only hint's and rumer's of succeser chapters (black Dragon,s) but i like the background and want to base a DIY on the legion and i need some suggestions from the frater on what to use from the sallies fluff. I intend to keep the chapter small no more then 7 companies and matbe having there tech marines serve on vulcan after there time on mars. If it need be moved do so any other ideas whould be of great help. Thanks Grimm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJedi Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Well I believe the "none known" description for sucessor chapters only means for the 2nd founding. You can just say your chapter was from a later founding. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-965190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator_of_Bahamut Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Yeah, I think this belongs in Liber. I'm making a Sallies successor myself, so when I get the fluff posted later this week you can take a look. My question for you, though, is do you want the traits to define the fluff or the fluff to define the traits? If you want a backstory beyond "Sallies successor" you need to have some sort of starting point for inspiration. Do you have a name in mind? What about the Sallies attracts you most? BTW, you should join the Draco Astartes if you want a dragon theme. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-965223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Librarian- Melechor Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 I'm making a Sallies successor myself, so when I get the fluff posted later this week you can take a look. My question for you, though, is do you want the traits to define the fluff or the fluff to define the traits? If you want a backstory beyond "Sallies successor" you need to have some sort of starting for inspiration. Do you have a name in mind? What about the Sallies attracts you most? Gator said it best, don't let the fluff be defined by the traits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-965225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted August 29, 2005 Author Share Posted August 29, 2005 Name Obsidian Tears Inspariton a sallies stirke criuser respond's to a distress call on a fringe world because there's a chaos uprising. The marines do what they do best cut the head off only to find out it's an alpha legion plot and there stuck on planet for the next hunder or more years because there criuser is crippeld when the alpha legion shows it's head's and a once vibrent and beautiful world is made a death world so on and so forth. why the sallies i like that there a littel more human then other marines and you have to love killing machine with a love for immolation ;) it's only a outline at the moment i kinda got stuck here :ph34r: . Grimm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-965243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator_of_Bahamut Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 I didn't mean that. I think it's fine to let the fluff be defined by the traits, if that's what you WANT. You need to pick one or the other. For some people, clever and original fluff is the most important thing, while others it's having fluff that supports an army that fits their tactical style. neither one is wrong, but you need to make sure you choose the past that you want and don't get the two mixed up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-965248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator_of_Bahamut Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 @ Darkness: Have you read the DIY dos and don'ts? The whole "trapped on a planet/in the warp" thing is a lame cliche, and as soon as they were rescued, they would still be Sallies! New chapters are NOT created from members of old ones that have been seperated for a time. Before you start a DIY you should be somewhat familiar with the process of how an SM chapter is founded. Please don't be offended, but if you want good fluff, accurate reasearch is the key. Now then, I think we all like those features of the Sallies. Since you picked obsidian for the name, I'm guessing you like the fire/volcaninc element the most? That says cleanse and purify to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-965253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted August 29, 2005 Author Share Posted August 29, 2005 @ Darkness: Have you read the DIY dos and don'ts? The whole "trapped on a planet/in the warp" thing is a lame cliche, and as soon as they were rescued, they would still be Sallies! New chapters are NOT created from members of old ones that have been seperated for a time. Before you start a DIY you should be somewhat familiar with the process of how an SM chapter is founded. Please don't be offended, but if you want good fluff, accurate reasearch is the key. Now then, I think we all like those features of the Sallies. Since you picked obsidian for the name, I'm guessing you like the fire/volcaninc element the most? That says cleanse and purify to me. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So i scrap the sallies strike cruiser and just make there home planet on the outer fringe then. I picked obsidian cause it did'nt sound as funny as oynx or as vapid as jet. :ph34r: and tears well that's part o there history. Grimm Edit note to self a nap always helps when proof reading your post. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-965312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator_of_Bahamut Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 So i scrape the sallies all toghter and just make there home planet on the outer fringe then. I picked obsidian cause it did'nt sound a funny as oynx or as vapid as jet. :ph34r: Grimm <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Huh? Obsidian is a fine term...tears not so much. What do ya mean scrape the Sallies together though? A good DIY chapter...or ANYTHING is not made by "scraping" things together. I'm still not sure that sentence made sense, either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-965324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted August 29, 2005 Author Share Posted August 29, 2005 replace scrape or scrap the strike cruiser with a home planet. But i am keeping the sallies as my foudation i have to finish a couple of things then i'll post history and origins later tonight. Sorry real life caught up with me and it will be late but i whould still like ideas on a way to unite the chapter's thanks Grimm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-965392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted September 1, 2005 Author Share Posted September 1, 2005 O.K i tired to make it into a proper DIY and after 3 days of frustration nothing so i will ask this if the fluff is well written and the storey polisabel (sp) can my fluff no no's be forgiven i think i read on this forum that very quote. Grimm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-968768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator_of_Bahamut Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Heresy can certainly be forgiven. That is what properly blessed promethium is for...to give you the Emperor's final forgiveness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-969211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted September 2, 2005 Author Share Posted September 2, 2005 Heresy can certainly be forgiven. That is what properly blessed promethium is for...to give you the Emperor's final forgiveness. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thank's that's the kick in the ;) i needed Gator ;) Grimm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-969308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator_of_Bahamut Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Glad to hear that. If you're taking the time to do a DIY, it's worth taking the effort to do it right! Besides, if you go against all the established fluff, you will never hear the end of it from the veterans when you take them to games. If you get stuck, take a break and do something else. Read over some of the fluff, look at what other people are doing, or just do something that inspires you. Who knows, you may get some really awesome idea from somewhere....or maybe thin air! Besides, we'd hate to waste perfectly good bolter rounds on you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-969954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted September 3, 2005 Author Share Posted September 3, 2005 So i'm thinking that maybe may chapter had no name only there chapter number when the set forth on cursade becase as a sallie succser they whould not act in haste to name there chapter. Whould that work it leaves the door open for my other ideas on how they get there name and ties them to there parent chapter. Grimm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-970304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Librarian- Melechor Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 All chapters are given names when they are created, but you could have your chapter change it's name if you wanted it to, and it would still allow you to add your own ideas into the fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-970363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator_of_Bahamut Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 I would think having a chapter go into battle unamed would be considered highly unlucky. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-970446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Librarian- Melechor Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 As i said before, no chapter goes into battle without a name, unless they didn't want to call themselves one, but that would seem a little strange. :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-970667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironloki Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 All chapters are given names when they are created, but you could have your chapter change it's name if you wanted it to, and it would still allow you to add your own ideas into the fluff. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually there is debate about that. Chapter naming That may help clarify things up Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-970670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Well, the first chapter master picks the name, so he could delay that choice for as he wanted. Compare it to the the Imperial Fists entering the Iron Cage, the battle which would decide the steps they took in the coming years. Perhaps the chapter master wished to wait to see how they fared in battle before naming them. It wouldn't be orthodox, but it adds a small piece of character to his chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-970671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Librarian- Melechor Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 I didn't say unorthodox, just a little strange. I can see it as a possibility, in fact it would make sense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-970675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted September 3, 2005 Author Share Posted September 3, 2005 They earn there name because of there chapter master's belief's in weighing all thing's and the event's that land them a home world and a great background story :rolleyes: so i'll finish fleshing it out and post it pretty soon. Thanks all Grimm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-970759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator_of_Bahamut Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 The Chapter Master PICKS the name....who said anythign about EARNING it? If a Chapter master wants to name his chapter the Vorpal Kangaroos, they are stuck until he gets replaced. (Something tells me Catachan rules for having "accidents" involving comissars would apply here.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-970878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironloki Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Earning a name is better than being given one ;) Plus as RT said in the link If it were the marines themselves who chose the name, I would think there would be some kind of Administratum veto, to prevent the duplication of names and also to stop an ego-cententric Chapter Master naming his chapter "Chapter Master Bob's Brilliant Kick-ass Super Ninja Marines" :D :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-971037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 But yet marines are warrior-monks, and are taught to be humble - so likely wouldn't consider naming the chapter after themselves. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/83349-salamander-successors/#findComment-971218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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