Black Templar Crusade

[aretziel]

I got myself the BT codex and was reading the fluff in it.

 

and I want to paint my army in another color then the regular black (read post in the BT section).

 

so I were thinking of making it a crusade that is in shame ... got the idea from someone in the mentioned thread in the BT section.

 

 

and in the BT codex there is a fluff about a incident where the BT follow a trail on xeno planets.

these xenos workship someone called 'the voice of the emperor' or suchlike (dont got the codex at writing moment) ...

 

it ends with that this person is an marine in ancient power armour and the BT take him to his ship, but the DA that they aligned with earlier power up their weapons and force them to turn the marine over (this is probably one of the marines the DA hunt that are the 'fallen DA') ...

 

these BTs were never heard of again, but they don

[Mrph45]

There is no such person, forget whatever it is you saw........ :cuss

[aretziel]

There is no such person, forget whatever it is you saw........ :cuss

 

 

haha ... good anwser ... maybe this could actually be a good fluff for a crusade/successor chapter then =)

 

a BT that cast its colors for failing and beside that hate the DA for it =)

 

 

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besides ... that fluff part is realy nice. read it before, but don

[Mrph45]

In THEORY.... The "Voice of the Emperor" was the fallen Dark Angel Cypher, who posses the broken fragment of the primarchs sword. In THEORY the BT captured him, and in THEORY he was surrendered to the DA after a show of force. In THEORY the cell was empty when they arrived with the at the DA fleet. This is all false of course, forget you heard it, its not good to question......

[Severus6]

I think if you wanted to do this you could very easily go with the idea is that they are the survivors of this. Granted it doesnt say that they were killed/attacked/neutralized but then again it doesnt. Possibly a small force, less than a company, possibly 50 to 70 Marines. The different color of their heraldry could be attributed to them being in mourning, or that they have sworn a blood oath against the offending Chapter. This is where it will get difficult; Marines going after other Marines for reasons of honor is not unheard of but I would imagine very definately frowned upon. Here is the other side of the coin and where you might want to change from the accepted BT fules. Your boys know that they cannot win against such odds, so they adopt new tactics. Granted not a popular endeavor but honor is at stake and satisfaction will be had. Something to consider, hope it helps.

 

Severus6

[Dasleah]

I'd say that probably every Crusade is based on shame. It must be pretty shameful to such a devout and pious Chapter such as the Black Templars to know that fould Xenos and Heretics still live in the Galaxy. So I don't have anything against a Crusade based on shame, but directing it towards the Adeptus Astartes, or even a particular Chapter, could be a bit risky. Sure, Chapters war against each other, but I'm sure that the Inquisitors see this as a desperate last resort, and I'm sure they're not above drafting in a few Imperial Guard Regiments and a Battlefleet or two, just to even delay the inevitable.

So swearing a Crusade against Marines isn't a Good Thing

[aretziel]

well my main idea isn

[Mrph45]

Well enough of the funny answers. Try not to go the route of they know some of the DA's shame, if they did there wouldn't be a BT from that crusade left to tell of it. The DA would not permit anyone to have even that much information on the Fallen. I suggest that instead you take the route that part of the crusade was fighting in a different area and know little more than what the snippet in the WD and CDX:BT states, nothing further was heard after they surrendered the prisoner and prepared to leave the system. You then can move on that they have a grudge against the DA and feel they know what happened to the missing marines, but they don't know the real reason. You then can allow them to fight along side the DA if the situation warrants it. I don't think they would feel too much shame in handing a prisoner over to another chapter, especially a 1st founding one. But you can justify shame that there bretheren have vanished without the chapter ever knowing their fate, and that they continue the route of the missing crusaders until they feel the've earned penance.

[xRagex]

I like the idea, I think they should just blast all the DA's into bits anyway :P so I'm curious now though, what book says that Cypher was supposedly the voice of the emperor? While I'm thinking about it, does anyone think that if a company of let's say BA's happened upon a fallen DA they'd fight them? I mean picking off a squad or two of BT's in the middle of nowhere is one thing but would they go as far as to destroy an entire company to get one of the fallen back and risk the might of another chapter and having everyone find out?

[Mrph45]

I like the idea, I think they should just blast all the DA's into bits anyway ;) so I'm curious now though, what book says that Cypher was supposedly the voice of the emperor? While I'm thinking about it, does anyone think that if a company of let's say BA's happened upon a fallen DA they'd fight them? I mean picking off a squad or two of BT's in the middle of nowhere is one thing but would they go as far as to destroy an entire company to get one of the fallen back and risk the might of another chapter and having everyone find out?

 

The Cypher/Voice connection was alluded to in the WD before and after the the EoT campaign, with references to the lion sword and some other Cypher references. I believe there was also a short story of Cypher and abbadon talking in one issue. I think the DA would destroy a cruiser of BT to keep there secret, if they felt there wouldn't be enought to prove what happend. Ships disapear in the warp alot you know :lol:

[Commissar Molotov]

It might be more interesting if, instead of the actual crusade that took part, you have another crusade taking off, looking for them. (Similarly to what Mrph45 suggested) I mean, the actual crusade itself is fairly weak, storyline-wise. They took a marine prisoner, they handed it over to the Dark Angels, the end. The options for a storyline are fairly weak. You're limited to 'Who was that shadowy stranger, and why did the Dark Angels want him so bad?'

 

However, if you have another crusade, you could be a little more creative with the storyline. What happened on that planet? What happened to the Marshal and his crusade? Do the Dark Angels know anything about him? Perhaps the crusade turned to chaos and needs to be hunted down? I'd certainly avoid the "Arg, we hate the Dark Angels, arg!" idea. It's a little.... uncreative. Your chapter is in a speculative, investigative position - one that Space Marines are not usually placed in. Do they consort with the Inquisition, in an attempt to get an edge? Do they conspire to keep the Inquisition out whilst finding out what's happened to the missing crusade?

 

Whilst in truth the Dark Angels probably did kill the crusade to contain the knowledge of the fallen, playing from the perspective of another crusade allows you to set your marshal interesting dilemmas. Perhaps your army is led by a Castellan, who looked up to the missing Marshal? Perhaps he petitions Helbrecht to take a fighting company to look for his mentor? To help him if possible, and to hunt him down if need be? Perhaps your army commander is a Marshal, and the two Marshals were neophytes together? Perhaps your Chaplain has preached sermons against (or for) the commander, or perhaps your Emperor's Champion has received visions and dire portents of the Marshal. Perhaps because of that, your Emperor's Champion is instated in the position semi-permanently, until the conclusion of the crusade?

 

You've certainly got a lot of potential. A lot of ideas that could be used and exploited.