Rorschach Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 I've fallen in love with the Mortifactors. BIG time. So I've checked out whatever fluff I could find (Warriors Of Ultramar and the Armageddon 3 website) and started work on making them a more "full" chapter, both fluff wise and model wise. Which leaves me with a few questions for all you knowledgeable and honoured scribes... - do we know what chapter they are derived from? I think someone mentioned Dorn in PC&A... - do we know what founding they were, or when they first appeared? I believe they are quite young? - they are cannibalistic, but who do they eat? Their own fallen or their defeated enemies? I hope some of you'll be able to answer these questions. Thanks in advance! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87591-the-mortifactors/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine_Breaker Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 - do we know what chapter they are derived from? I think someone mentioned Dorn in PC&A...They are Ultramarine successors. - do we know what founding they were, or when they first appeared? I believe they are quite young? It has never been mentioned what founding they came from, or how long the chapter has been around. - they are cannibalistic, but who do they eat? Their own fallen or their defeated enemies? I've never seen anything saying they were cannibalistic, only that they drunk blood in some rituals (the blood of their battle-brothers). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87591-the-mortifactors/#findComment-1011680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrph45 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 One of the Uriel Ventris novels has details about them being ultramarine successors. I think they were 2nd founding from what i remeber. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87591-the-mortifactors/#findComment-1011686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-betrayer Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 I have a good feeling that they are 2nd founding as well. I don't think their cannibalistic though, i belive they head hunters, taking the skulls of there fallen foe's. Peace <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87591-the-mortifactors/#findComment-1011699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
princeofchaos Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 I'll agree with you guys, as far as I know, they are a second founding chapter. They are from the Ultramarines, and they have integrated their homeworld's head hunting rites into their chapter's belief structure and so forth. IIRC they have an entire chapel made of bones, but right now I can't remember where I read that. I'll try to remember my source. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87591-the-mortifactors/#findComment-1011719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorschach Posted May 22, 2006 Author Share Posted May 22, 2006 OK, thanks for the replies so far... As for the Ultramarines, that one seems certain. Though they're not listed in the codex as one of the second founding chapters, it only mentions eight out of twenty-three Ultramarine second founding chapters, so it does seem plausible. I'll use this for now, until someone can come along with a source for something better <_< As for the cannibalism, I interpreted this from the following quote on the Armageddon 3 website; The fierce nomadic tribes that inhabit this bleak world are locked in a state of constant warfare, fighting terrible battles and feasting on the flesh of the dead. That does seem rather cannibalistic to me :wink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87591-the-mortifactors/#findComment-1011721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bramble Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 OK, thanks for the replies so far... As for the Ultramarines, that one seems certain. Though they're not listed in the codex as one of the second founding chapters, it only mentions eight out of twenty-three Ultramarine second founding chapters, so it does seem plausible. I'll use this for now, until someone can come along with a source for something better :D As for the cannibalism, I interpreted this from the following quote on the Armageddon 3 website; The fierce nomadic tribes that inhabit this bleak world are locked in a state of constant warfare, fighting terrible battles and feasting on the flesh of the dead. That does seem rather cannibalistic to me :) Uriel Venris goes to their chapter monastary in the novel before 'Black Sky Dead Sun' Hei sunhappy to see what he believes is the debasement of his primarchs geenseed. Their are a very doom laden chapter.All skulls and candles(not a beer keg in sight no doubt!!) In a way all chapters are cannabalistic as their enhancements allow them to absorb information from flesh(eg Souldrinkers) The reference refers to the tribes themselves not the chapter.The chapter has however taken the constant warfare 'we are already about to die' philosophy from the tribes. Perhaps like the Blood angels they have a sarcrifice wealness in their troops,as we are already 'dead' why not die to save your battle-brothers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87591-the-mortifactors/#findComment-1011809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus6 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 The Mortifactors are a very dark and gloomy Chapter. They are to the best of my knowledge an Ultras offshoot but there is no clear or specific date/time group of their founding. I am not certain that is 2nd and have not seen any evidence saying that it was. Their dark demeanor stems from their planet and the religious rituals of that planet. The planet is perpetually dark and the tribes in a constant state of war. They do eat the flesh of their fallen brothers and the enemy but for different reasons. Severus6 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87591-the-mortifactors/#findComment-1011891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrph45 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 A Chapter founded during the 40th millennium from Ultramarines gene-seed. The Mortifactor's armour is painted bone and black, with the shoulderpad trim being in the company colour. The Mortifactors recruit from the night world Posul, where the nomad population practice cannibalism. The fortress monastery of the Mortifactors is adorned with skulls and bones of those that died in service of the chapter. The Chapter symbol is a human skull on a black background. This Chapter participated in the Third War for Armageddo This was on the wikipedia Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87591-the-mortifactors/#findComment-1011902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apemantus Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 It also says in WD 249 that the Mortifactors were created in M40 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87591-the-mortifactors/#findComment-1011923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 i believe the theory about them being 2nd founding was simply the product of some people thinking "successor" = 2nd founding (even some GW authors seem to think this) the Emperors Shield IA art does have them listed as m40.. however that shouldnt be taken as gospel as it also says the same about the Exorcists and Angels of Vigilance (the written* fluff for both chapters puts them as 13th and possible 2nd founding chapters respectively) ~ the guy does good art, but his grasp of fluff stinks (eg: the only IA with a pre-heresy marine in actual pre-heresy armour has it mislabled as a different mark) * = the Armageddon3 website, admitedly GW websites arent renowned for their grasp of fluff, but given that the Relictors IA was basically an expansion of their entry on that site it does hold a certain amount of credance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87591-the-mortifactors/#findComment-1012108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine_Breaker Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 If the chapter was created in M40, they could probably be 23rd, 24th, or 25th Founding. Rather young by some standards, but they'd still have over 1,000 years under their belt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87591-the-mortifactors/#findComment-1012317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 There 2nd founding if you go by the WoU book by Mr McNeill It's on page 14 of the book as the UM apporach the basilica Mortis. It also metions the first chapter master as a Sasebo Tezuka. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87591-the-mortifactors/#findComment-1012451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Tiberius Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 The only other fluff scource I know of is the bio written for Deathwatch marine Artemis for the Inquisitor game. It is a great read and talks about the tribes of Posul. I'll see if I can find the WD number when I get home from work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87591-the-mortifactors/#findComment-1014296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanguinius Chosen Wing Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Im dorry for the thread necromancy but i was wondering if you remember what WD it was in and if you could give us a little run down on what was in it? Anyone else have any pictures of models or any other pictures? artwork? etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87591-the-mortifactors/#findComment-1122424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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