Brother Adeaus Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Having just received my codex, I can verify they each get a paragraph or so. And each is presented with their own bit of fluff to differentiate them from each other. Which might nullify the purpose of this thread. Not per se. Only a couple of paragrapghs does not a Chapter make. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1191660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDR Grendelwulf Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Not per se. Only a couple of paragrapghs does not a Chapter make. I'm sorry. I should have said small bit of fluff. There is certainly room to flesh-out these new chapters. Not all are second foundings...one is at least 3 millenia old. Then there are...well, just wait until you get thecodex, you will see... :) Ciao, CDR Grendelwulf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1191669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adeaus Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Not per se. Only a couple of paragrapghs does not a Chapter make. Then there are...well, just wait until you get thecodex, you will see... :) Already got it. Am disapointed with the pointless dirge they gave the Angels of Absolution. I think by the time they got round to them, they had writers block. Although the Guardians of the Covenant are nice. But still, AoA fluff in 'dex is vauge, and annoyingly so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1191671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertz Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Not per se. Only a couple of paragrapghs does not a Chapter make. Then there are...well, just wait until you get thecodex, you will see... :P Already got it. Am disapointed with the pointless dirge they gave the Angels of Absolution. I think by the time they got round to them, they had writers block. Although the Guardians of the Covenant are nice. But still, AoA fluff in 'dex is vauge, and annoyingly so. How about the Angels of Redemption? hope they fit my idea :ph34r: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1191791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodDrinker Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 Hmmm i thought they were all pretty good. Guess ill have to go back and read. There was a very convincing absolution model in the dex i do remember that. Tempting but to much bone. It takes so long to make bone look good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1192081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDR Grendelwulf Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 Here was my impression of each of the brief backgrounds on the successors, subject to interpretation: AoA: very close to DA, except they believe their own chapter's 'sin' has been absolved AoR: more zealous than DA, will leave others to fend for themselves in order to follow their agenda...even if it means their 'allies' destruction AoV: unquenchable hatred towards everything alien, hertical & chaos-spawned, experienced a Crimson Fist period :D DoC: built to go after the most notorious [purged by Inner Circle], full of knightly virtue and nobility GoC: scholarly, warrior monks, rigorously follow the teachings of the Emperor & the Lion Cons: revere pre-heresy relics, armour, etc...unknown origins, seldom recorded in history, etc... Ciao, CDR Grendelwulf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1192136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertz Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 I got to read the codex today, and I got to say that the AoRs style doesn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1192437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mughi3 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 CDR good call as i read through the sub chapter fluff i was getting an idea how some of the chapters would run in game terms as opposed to thier parent chapter- gaurdians of the covenant-librarian heavy consecrators-vet squads, wargear, relics and standards heavy diciples of caliban-mobile/mechanized Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1192549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiveFleetEzekial Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 OK!.. I'm about to crack, waiting for the release date! lol Could anyone that could, shed a wee bit more light on how DoC are? While I've been a loyal and devout (and very zealous) core DA player for many years, I'd recently gone through changes that made my take on DA to be a bit more sinister.. and ruthless. So i wanted something in a draker, almost pure black PH scheme, but still some green in it. Oddly enough, I ended up with something nearly identical to what DoC turned out to be! (just a bone trip on one shoulder, and bone for one of the grieves) Seeing the termie in the preview page we've all seen, sealed it for me though. My recent pred, I ended up painting the guns bronze, just for somehing different to the standard silver/gunmetal, and just lastnight i saw DoC guns were... bronze! And I've always had a thing for tanks :lol: (You just reinforced my decision mughi3, with your last comment) So, I'm taking it as a sign.. "Play DoC!!!!!" lol Is there any shots in the codex of how the vehicles of the successor chapters are painted? (ratio of black to green for the DoC vehicles maybe?) Was the leader of the DoC also 'made/'asked for, with the rest of the chapter; or was given the task, and then DA asked for the army so he could lead it? (nothing too too much though, don't wanna make any breaches. just hungry for more info on them! :D ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1192718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDR Grendelwulf Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 GM Belial: Is that you in the new codex on page 65 at the top? :wink: mughi3 Posted Today, 02:52 PM guardians of the covenant-librarian heavy Bushido monks with attitude...and bolters!Right down to their mountainous homeworld and fortress...one must climb the mountain and seek the advice of the ancient sage (okay, it doesn't say that in the codex, but that's what I first imagine :) ) consecrators-vet squads, wargear, relics and standards heavy I would say they are the 'hammer' of the DA. Real hard-hitters. diciples of caliban-mobile/mechanizedThese guys are more of the 'sword' of the DA: swift, sharp and deadly.Maybe more of a RW-esque...knights-on-bikes...kindathing? Could anyone that could, shed a wee bit more light on how DoC are? It isn't like they get a mini-dex within the C:DA. Think of them as Arthurian Grail Knights or paladins. Only their 'grail' is a twin-pistol-packing DA that may have once been known as the Voice of the Emperor! At least that is my interpretation. Is there any shots in the codex of how the vehicles of the successor chapters are painted? (ratio of black to green for the DoC vehicles maybe?)No, but one can infer much from the trooper & terminator DoC. I would say it is predominately black, using DA green for the thicker areas of plating (ie, around the windows & heavier armoured 'fenders' etc because on the troopers the heavier armour on their bodies is green---torso, greeves, shoulders) Was the leader of the DoC also.... Ah-ah-ah...patience, young padawan. What is given is a starting point. Too much would just limit the fun one can have for their own interpretations. Ciao, CDR Grendelwulf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1192804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Belial Posted February 26, 2007 Author Share Posted February 26, 2007 Thank you CDR Grendelwulf for the brief synopsis of the Successors! I won't have the Codex until the General release but it gives me something to fluff out the Successors a little more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1193634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Belial Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 Got my Codex and decided to beef up the three new Successors and the AoV. Will get back to the other two later. Here we go! - ANGELS OF REDEMPTION - If a person thought the piety and zeal of the Dark Angels were beyond reproach, and then they have not encountered the AoR. The brothers of the AoR are not above any known method of purification in existence in the Imperium. While also fervent users of the Pain and Nerve Gloves, the brothers also participate in ritual scarring, flogging, or tattoos. Members of the AoR seem to show off tokens of shame more than laurels of valor. Even the parchment attached to their purity seals seems to convey shame and their desire to purify their souls. On the battlefield, they fight with and eerie calm around them. Believing that they have a heightened tolerance to pain, this trait was recognized as a key factor to the success of the AoR boarding a Blackstone fortress controlled by the Despolier when a few severely wounded marines were able to survive long enough to rig the station to explode. Their calm demeanor and high tolerance to pain also allowed the AoR be very adept in boarding and breaching actions. Actions that would typically chew through hundreds of guardsmen would be taken with relative ease by the AoR as they continue to push through the breach to make room for their brothers to come behind them before finally succumbing to their grievous wounds. Only when fighting the forces of Chaos has the AoR shown anything resembling fervor or a sounding a battle cry. The First Company especially seems to come to life when arrayed against the forces of Chaos, though there are rare reports of them coming into their own when fighting against another Xenos - typically one that has had repeated contact with the Imperium. HOME WORLD Most of the chapter resides on a number of battle barges that continuously travel the galaxy in search of the Fallen. However, they have adopted a barren world in the Segmentum Pacificus that provides the AoR a place to routinely train their brothers and any new recruits to the chapter. Whenever a marine is inducted into the First Company, they take part in a ritual journey on the surface of the planet. The inductee, reduced to the conditions not unlike that experienced by the Lion, is led by numerous Chaplains and Librarians along the journey that can last as little as two-months to as long as a full Terran year. Those that complete the journey are never the same and of what happens during the journey none speaks. COMBAT DOCTRINE The AoR have become masters of breaking sieges as a result of their heightened tolerance to pain. Like all Unforgiven chapters, they are master tacticians and capable of fighting on any battlefield. However, their success rate of breaking sieges cannot be ignored. Imperial commanders are more wont to let the AoR take part in a campaign involving a siege given their checkered past. To the commanders, breaking a siege is a short enough time that they can expect the AoR to remain and finish the task before they mysteriously decide to depart from the system. The AoR have taken to expecting this treatment and harbor no ill-will to their human counterparts. In response the AoR have taken to refining the techniques of breaking sieges often using their second company as forward observers for their artillery barrages. The AoR have even taken to having a larger number of Whirlwinds and Vindicators ORGANIZATION The AoR follow a standard DA Organization. The First Company is sometimes referred to as the “Redeemers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1201194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Toddius Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 I haven't had time to sit and read the whole thread yet (i'm at my 24th hour of overtime...) But my Angels of Redemption Split Scheme has been dreamed up as thus: The AoR Painted thier lavery a split color to show thier shame and purity in accordance to the knowledge within thier inner circle. They are shamed by the fall of caliban but thier need for redemption is of the utmost concern so they represent this with a split white scheme (white meaning purity). The bretheren are taught that the split is in honor of the DA who have died defending caliban and who have lost thier lives in the fight against Chaos. Thats the way I've always felt they've had the split scheme. I like your first discription of the dichotomy between and shame and purity. Thats another great way to llok at it. Loving the thread. I'll read and add as soon as I can get my deadlines complete :blink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1201292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiveFleetEzekial Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Hmm, don't know yet if I'll be one of the few doing them but I've finalized plans for DoC vehicle schemes. Anyone interested can take a look at my starting gallery here, Could be of some help for other, futre, DoC players. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1201624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 More excellent stuff. I like the idea of the potential house rules Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1201637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Belial Posted March 8, 2007 Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 Master Toddius - I try to keep the very first post up to date. It is one of my things I do make things easier for those seeing the thread for the first time. I might have some older stuff later in the thread, but I try to keep that first post the latest and greatest. I like your idea for the reasons oif the split scheme on the AoR. I will try to incorperate it. HiveFleetEzekial - Could you provide a link? Judging by the bike and the picture in the Codex, I am thinking predominantly Scab Red with Chainmail in the recessed areas of a Land Raider or Rhino. Isiah - Thanks! I am trying to keep these DA Codex compatible without going way off the deep end. If anyone else has an idea or something they would like to change, let me know. This is meant to be background by us for us. :ph34r: I haven't posted this beyond the B&C and GoA Forums. (Linked to Warseer though. :ph34r: ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1201672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiveFleetEzekial Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 You're thinking GotC, Belail. I'm doing DoC, gren/black, with gold housing on weapons. Link to my gallery on here should be in my profile, but to save time: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...m&album=985 ( :blink: and no comments yet! lol) Whenever I can find a local store that has a copy I'll give my take on DoC and any of the others, if any of the above feel 'off' any. (Though the DoC are sounding 'right' enough for my recent views on our legion) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1202117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Belial Posted March 9, 2007 Author Share Posted March 9, 2007 D'OH! :) :blink: Looking at the Codex, they are definitely more black than green but the green seems to show up in many prominent parts. Typically wherever a symbol is on the marine, it's green. Anyway added more to the AoR as another was thinking of doing them. Check out post 1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1202134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiveFleetEzekial Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Well the lion symbole will go in the recesses on the tanks. And, finally... FINALLY got my hands on a copy of the book, and bought it too! (after all the waiting and anticipation! lol) Coincidently, I also saw 300 shortly after picking it up and reading the successor info on DoC. I think, I may work on trying to work the typical army strcuture and practice like the spartans in the movie. Different units for the shield, sword, and spear aspects; and tactics on how specific units would be used as such. Don't know yet, but the stringent recruitment and traiing methods of both seemed to mesh, and sparked the idea. We'll see how it goes I guess :rolleyes:. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1202879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDR Grendelwulf Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 - GUARDIANS OF THE COVENENT - Warrior monks devoted to studying combat in all its forms. These are some of the highest trained marines in the Imperium second only to the Mentors. The GotC house one of the greatest repositories of knowledge outside the Segmentum Solar The GoC, unlike the Mentors who lend their squads out to record tactical strategies, may have extensive battle arenas above and below the surface of their mountainous world where they extensively practice their Arts of War. Their followings of the tactical writings of the Lion & other prominent SM leaders allows them to see the patterns of war, even before the first enemies have landed upon a world. They may study enemy troop movements etc, yet they may also use cultural studies of these enemies as well. They know their enemies as they know themselves. Safeguarding against any possibility of taint through their research, the GoC may rely on Interrogator-Chaplains to as high degree as their Epistolaries. HOME WORLD The mountainous world of Mortikah VII lies near the Western Rim of the Imperium in the Segmentum Pacificus. Mountains are the most visible manifestation of the powerful tectonic forces at work in or below the world's crust. Could such activity also be a sign of artificial activity? Might their possibly be subterranean forges beneath the surface? Doubtlessly, there would be myriad catacombs and passages, both natural and man-made. Perhaps, even made by the Adeptus Mechanicus? This could relate to the covenant which the DA successors are guardians of. Afterall, didn't the Emperor make a binding covenant with the AdMechs on Mars originally? This successor chapter may have come to the aid, or perhaps the original DA had, of the AdMechs on this world. After saving it from whatever chaos-spawned or xenos threat it faced, the AdMechs felt it was most useful to have a SM presence nearby. The DA realized the benefits of having a link to the AdMechs, albeit not a direct one. When a SM chapter was suggested by the Lords of Terra for this area/world, the DA's successor Guardians of the Covenant were born. COMBAT DOCTRINE The GotC will study their opponents for a long time before committing to action. When they do act, they fight as though they can read their enemies thoughts. So perfect is their executed plans that many an enemy fall before firing a shot in return. I think because of their deep philosophical frame of mind with war, they may not even need to observe a particular enemy for long. They see the patterns within patterns, how elements fall into place, etc... BATTLECRY “Power through Knowledge Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1202901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Belial Posted March 12, 2007 Author Share Posted March 12, 2007 - GUARDIANS OF THE COVENENT - The GotC have extensive battle arenas above and below the surface of their mountainous world where they extensively train in the many different arts of war. Their followings of the tactical writings of the Lion and other prominent Astartes allow them to see the patterns of war even before the first enemies have set foot upon a world. Through the study of an enemy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1204747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDR Grendelwulf Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 - GUARDIANS OF THE COVENENT - Och! Ye be temptin' me... It sounds good so far...too good... I have a nice army box and battleforce already planned for my Fallen, and now I find myself wondering how they would look as GoC!!! Fortunately, there are no suitable decals and I'm terrible at painting symbols. Of course, there is always this Assault Squad Shoulder Pad 2... Ciao, CDR Grendelwulf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1204992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiral Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 While I don't personally think I'll use that fluff for the GotC for mine (when I build them) I really like the other stuff that has gone up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1205001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Belial Posted March 13, 2007 Author Share Posted March 13, 2007 Thanks for the comments. Spiral, I'm curious as to what you are thinking of using for the fluff. Perhaps I can incorperate it. Also, AoA got fouled up in the new Codex. I had them as having all Battle Orders (Companies), but the Codex have them close to the DA Structure. Any thoughts or would it be time for a total rewrite. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1205254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Any squad declaring a charge may also declare a Veteran Skill (Tank Hunter) Is this viable? Aren't we mixing stuff from a Codex we don't have access to? Otherwise Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87810-differences-between-the-successors/page/3/#findComment-1205311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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