Kuh Tathor Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 I recently recieved my veterans upgrade pack from Forgeworld, it was only three weeks late. Anyway I thought I'd post a review. Overall I like the kit, it expands the Space Marine range in a new innovative direction. Th mk IV heads are lovely although they look a little smaller than the regular plastic ones. The torsos however I have a few complaints about. Firstly 6 out of 10 of the torsos had casting errors where the neck rim at the back was too thin so it had holes in it. Secondly the external cabling is damaged in a few places. I phoned Forgeworld and they are sending me some new ones, for free, but I thought I'd mention it as it makes the torsos useless and it is something everyone should check. I can't help feeling that thy are a victim of their own sucess in this respect (running off casts quickly). Also if you are using the parts for building other chapters you should probably note that the chest parts have a red scorpions logo on them which will need removing. Other than this the shoulder pads are nice but the regular plastic ones seem to be to be better sculpted, while the veteran sergeant is very nice indeed and opens new directions. So overall a good idea, but I expect higher standards for such a premium product. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother apocalyptic Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 you know that this type of damage can happen on any cast right? just because you had it happen, its not sure its so on every cast, since I then believe that FW would pull the casts back and remake them! Id say your just unlucky, but its a good thing you got new peices... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHalifax Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 I quite like the FW MK4 armour, so im ordering some to do my lunar wolves with ;) To deal with the RS symbol on the chest im going to add venting/respirator to the front, so that it'll look like the plastic chaos and imperail SM chest plate fronts :) The only complaint i might have,and i say might, is that the sergeants power sword looks pretty thin near the hilt so id be worried about it snapping off :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Y Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 No - he's not "just unlucky." He's common, average... a statistic. Kuh's last sentence is exactly how I feel. For what they charge, and for how relatively "difficult" their products are to come by - you'd think they'd be better quality. Doing commission painting work for 2 years now, I've come into contact with a lot of FW product. And while the ideas, concepts, and imagery is excellent - top notch - the execution is horrendous. Air bubbles, warped pieces, broken pieces, too-much-resin-lumpy pieces, too thin, too thick... the casting themselves are, in my experience 90% defective. Meaning 1 in 10 pieces is actually usable out of the box without the need for GS, or hours of fiddling, heating/bending, and finagling into place. Then - once all the parts ARE in place... they don't line up properly. More GS, more fiddling. It is absolutely ridiculous.. For the prices they charge, every single bit of their product should be PERFECT. It is far from it. People will leap to their aid and say "it's a product of the resin casting process... there's shrinkage and some warping." So refine the process, refine your quality control inspections, refine the materials - or switch materials - or LOWER the prices. People pay because the items are not available anywhere else, other than scratch building. So, really - they have no reason to care too much about their quality or price points. Because we're all stupid. But you'd think they'd have a little pride... or scruples. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Gothard Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 =O Commander Y bashing GW affiliates? Okay, I dont smell burning or see any horsemen, so what's going on here? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lejanius Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 I finally got my stuff mostly I have few complaints I wish the quality was higher because of the price we have to pay but I must have had good luck I like the veteran upgrades and have little issue with mine my Commander Cullin however was damaged and I called, they are replacing it but becuase they have so many orders it will be weeks (sigh) I will say this though, the forgeworld stuff I just recieved in about 5 times better in terms of qaulity than anything in the past, in my opinion at least they seem to be getting better, to me at least Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahmato Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 On the plus side, GW will replace any damage pieces without extra charge, and without asking questions. Although, to be fair, they shouldn't be damaged in the first place, methinks quality control needs to take a step up. Now, I would happily volunteer to be sent FW kits, purely for quality control purposes, of course :blink: As to the topic in hand, Kuh Tathor, thanks for the heads up :ph34r: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringer of the fallen Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 I have only recieved part of my order.. That was the Terminator pads.. Everything else is on backorder but the pads themselves were very good....Possible the FW stuff I have ever recieved..... I hope the rest will arrive soon, FW has not answered any emails I have sent :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuh Tathor Posted May 25, 2006 Author Share Posted May 25, 2006 Well obviously the holes were not intentional, but it s pretty easy to check if the pieces have ruddy great holes where there aren't meant to be any. In the past I have had things from Forgeworld and been extremely impressed, no problems. However somethings I have been severely disappointed, for example I bought the Warmaster small airship to use for a fantasy battle balloon for my gyrocopter, the first one came with all the detail breaking off, so I phoned up. They got me to send the first one back before sending me another which had the same problem (which I took to be because such fine detail was badly considered on the model) but the quality of the sculpt was useless - too rough that it could bot be painted to any decent standard. Anyway Forgeworld took to batch number I guess so that they can follow up the miscasting, but in my opinion they need higher quality control. It all seems to be a bit too hit and miss. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infestus Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Me and a friend orderd some stuff from FW yesterday. I bought an IW Dread and Culln, he only ordered Culln. I hope our order wouldn't be put on backorder, because of the high demand for Culln :) I've never orderd from FW and I'm really looking forward to have the stuff in my hands, it looks so good in the pictures :) BTW it says a order can take up the 28 days to arrive, does it really take that long or does it arrive earlier most of the time? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother apocalyptic Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Then I must be a lucky one.. Even though I havent ordered much stuff from FW, only the black templar shoulder pads and shields + a complete venerable dread. And I didnt have any problem with either cast.. just some filing and cleaning, but nothing extra to the GW models. I had no warping or anything on any of the total 25 peices Ive recieved! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringer of the fallen Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 I placed my order for Culln, two vet upgrades, two tac shoulder pads and two terminator pads 1 week befor the release date..... about five days after the release 29 April i recieved the pads.....I am still wairing for the reast :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exquisite Evil Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 I ordered my vets upgrade as soon as they went on advance order. I recieved them yesterday. Like Kuh my vets have major problems with the back neck peice and holes on the cabling. I also informed forgeworld and theyre sending replacements but said because of demand these wouldnt be shipped for at least a couple of weeks - so more waiting. Also because im in canada Im going to have to pay duties - again... Apart from that -nice models, but as Kuh said they should concentrate on quality a little more now that they are an established business. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callas Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 So, basically since I ordered mine on Tuesday night I won't be seeing them this side of June, then? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringer of the fallen Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 My guess would be the backside of July :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Ah crap :ph34r: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuh Tathor Posted May 25, 2006 Author Share Posted May 25, 2006 yup I ordered mine on 19 April, got mine two days ago. I think that the extra demand has lead to a rush in production and the lax controls. If my second batch are screwed then I'll complain in writing as that gets a much better response than talking to a dousch bag on the phone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkbunny Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 if they express ordered replacements I would be fine with it, soon I will be getting myself some of those delicious cadians :ph34r: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maelis Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 I have to defend them by saying that after assembling and painting their mammoth, bloodthirster and six rhinox riders I haven't had any problems with the casts. But this thread does raise some thoughts about whether or not ordering marine stuff from them as I had planned... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuh Tathor Posted May 25, 2006 Author Share Posted May 25, 2006 Nope they don't express replacements, the guy said I'll have to wait until they have some new stock. I have friends who have the mammoth and the rhinox and they are fantastic, no problems from what I could see. It seems that the smaller scale, more detailed stuff has more problems. It actually looks like it is made fom a paler resin which is maybe more difficult to cast. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny 666 Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 i'm tempted to get some, though moaning about damaged stock, you get another 10 free, and Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1014711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHalifax Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 having ordered mine, i was wondering if anyone has any close up pics of their damaged ones so i can see what needs to be fixed before mine arrive? :D Which should be a while from now after seeing whats been put on this thread about the demand. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1015515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother apocalyptic Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 may I just ask where you guys live, since it takes about 1 month for you to recieve the stuff. I got both my shipments within 10 days. But besides that, they say that you should give 30 days for shipping... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1015523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Trask Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 I only have 2 forgeworld products and one is the Spacewolf Showcase, which i had to get a replacement backpack for (which i duly got inside of a week), the other the Chaos Marine Bust - no problems there. However when they first started out the resin was originally a form of high-grade plastic - the first model being the 90mm marine. However the resin has changed since FW started up, and the smaller the item the more susceptible to damage it is too. Im not defending FW or bashing them, all I can merely state is that the smaller, and more detailed the item is, the more fragile it gets. Failing that, it could even be that the resin hadn't properly been set and thusly 'collapsed' inside the shell leaving the areas more suceptible to damage. But Commander Y is right QC need to be stepped up a notch - in fact several notches. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1015531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neat Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 I recived my upgrade pack today, I live in the Uk and ordered them about a month ago. Dont have any real issues with the casts, they are all good apart from one which has quite a lot of flashing. I do however feel sorry for anyone that gets any casted after me in the same mold as one of the torsos had a fairly sizable chunk of the mold stuck on it still. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/87815-fw-red-scorpion-veteran-review/#findComment-1015577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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