D.I.Y. Iron Dragons Renegade Chapter

[Ferrata]

Not really, I think there are better ways to show that the chapter is different to your normal chapter without having to resort in a large size. You've already got the difference in belief, you should play more on this instead of diluting the chapter with more differences.

[Tech-Priest Tjorvi]

lol I got more than just those 2 as differences ;)

 

- the chapters renegade in the Ghost Stars

- worship a C'tan

- 3,000 marines

- integrated AM into the chapter

- over their 7,000 years since creation, they have captured enough ship hulks to make a Battlefleet for their sector (granted most of the ships are escort-class :D you know, destroyers and frigates)

- Tech Marines are Commanders (that counts as different, doesnt it?)

[Ferrata]

Though all of them are linked besides the number of Marines.

 

Worshiping the C'Tan means they are kicked out of the Imperium.

Worshiping the C'Tan means links with radical AM

Links to the AM means more Tech-Marines in their Armies (and therefore leaders)

Large number of AM/Tech-marines mean they can repair damaged vessels quicker and better

 

3000 Marines, thats way out there. I would drop this and concentrate on the above group, making these more believable, deeper rooted in the chapter will make a better chapter than adding 2000 marines

[Tech-Priest Tjorvi]

you know, I didnt think about having more AM members would = faster ship repair/better repairing :D

 

 

but as for the number of marines, what about 2,000 at the very Least? the Black Templar are over the 1,000 Marines/Chapter, and they're not even the only ones (wow, dont I sound like a child having a temper tantrum..)

[Ferrata]

you know, I didnt think about having more AM members would = faster ship repair/better repairing

The idea behind that was that they have more Marines/Members who know more about these sort of things, so there is more likely someone in the chapter who will be able to fix whats gone wrong. I don't mean they can repair massive holes in the side of ship, but things like gun failure etc.

 

The Black Templars and the Space Wolves are the only known chapter to have more than a 1000 marines. The Space Wolves have never really caught on to the whole codex thing, and just go along as they do. The Black Templars are sparadic and have no-way of connecting all their marines in any reasonable length of time. 2000 Marines is not that bad, but I feel 1000 would be just as good, maybe you can say a 1000 marines plus a larger Forge section.

[Tech-Priest Tjorvi]

aahh! you said "2000 marines is not that bad," I'll Take it! :D

 

 

 

as for the ship repairing topic, how/what would repair the large blasts on the side of the ships from the spatial combat?

 

 

also, got a few battle cries that the chapter could use, which.. say.. 3 do you guys 'n gals like the best?

 

“For the Dragon!” (talking about the Machine God/Void Dragon)

“Faith is our Shield”

“Our Faith holds Us”

“Into the Maelstrom of Battle!”

“None shall stand in our path”

“Ever Vigilant”

“By His Glorious Name” (talking about the Machine God, not the Emperor)

“Faith is Eternal”

“Cease, and Repent!”

[Brother Scythe]

You do relise that this Chapter wouldn't last 20 years after they became renegades right? Titans, Skitarii, Magos, Cloning Technology etc all of it in the hands on these Traitors would warrent nothing less than a full scale crusade. I'm thinking 6 Million+ Guardsmen, Hundreds of Possible marine chapters(Repent Crusading Chapters, Chapters with ties to the real AM, Highly glorified Chapters, Chapter who are in contact with Terra and/or Inquisitors often and the list keeps going)Then you have the AM throwing their weight around with most likely millions of soliders and Servitors and alot more Titans and the like your chapter has then throw in some Cyclonic Warheads and it will be a short battle.

 

As has been said your chapter is to extreme to fit. Yes diverstiy is fun but chapters do not do what your has and if they did they are dead.

 

Also you mention that your chapter has 2 Forgewolrds this alone would cause the AM to gather millions to kill you, I mean heck they stood against the Tyranids with no support over one Forgewolrd, what do you think they'll do if your chapter takes one? On the same note why was this Forgeworld there? It just happened to be in the Ghoul Stars? And the one they made would NOT have or be able to hold Geneseed. From my understanding Geneseed is stored in two places 1)Mars, not a regular Forgelworld THE forgeworld and 2)A chapter own Monestary, although this could be for your chapter they do not have the ability to keep alot of most of it is stored by the AM, and this is where they keep fallen brothers seed and the tithes they'll need.

 

Like I said IMO way to many random stuff. Your chapter has great character and can really be unique and fun, however this is to extreme and really detracts from the chapter and makes it look well sort of poorly thought out.

[Tech-Priest Tjorvi]

what you said, isnt necessarily all true;

 

Armageddon, said to be one of the most_important_worlds to the Imperium, didnt get "hundreds of possible chapters," and the 6 million Imperial Guardsmen I do not believe would be possible, as there has been a reference to an Imperial Warmaster who only had access to 500,000 Imperial Guard and somewhere in the area of 20-30,000 tanks, all with equipment and all, and with a patch of systems on the (literally) very edge of the Imperium, some systems going beyond the reach of the Astronomican, travel would be very difficult, little puddle jumps at best. Also, the meer fact that the systems Are on the edge of the Imperium, and only been conquered for several hundred years (900 at most), it would not be a stretch to say that the reports were lost on Terra, as thats another thing I'm aware of; reports are lost Constantly on Terra! As for the "many more titans" bit, I do not believe the AM would send more than 5 full legions and a quatro-legion, with 14 regiments of skitarii, and thats what was sent to Armageddon, again, one of the most important worlds in the Imperium.

 

Because the Imperium cannot (and I do mean Cannot) focus its attention to that much of an extent on one crusade (considering that a crusade that size would be a massive one, most likely extremely rare), they would be able to send instead several chapters, say 5 chapters sending 1200 marines or so, supported by several hundred thousand Imperial Guard, probably from 10 or more different regiments, and a moderate fleet to support it, say 1 battleship and about a dozen or so escorts

 

as for the full scale crusade(s)? Im counting on it :) I want to incorporate those into the Fluff, having Crusades launched from Imperial-held worlds every now-and-then, sort of like a campaign with a few GW's I'd get to agree to host the games and send me the reports (like a gaming club)

 

Why is there a forgeworld out near the Ghost Stars? well that would be easily explained; lets say it was reunited with the Imperium by Lord Solar Macharius (sp?) during his own crusade, or perhaps the FW Im thinking of having would be a moderate one, not able to produce some of the heavier equipment or vehicles or whatever, because of its isolation from the Imperium? its possible, thats all Im saying

 

as for the second FW, its more like a mobile-FW, having being constructed out of a moon, so think more of a Rammilies Star Fort (sp?) in terms of mobility, but Not in terms of armament

 

remember, just because the Imperium is attacked, it does not mean that the response is immediate, at all, or even enough, sometimes having bad intelligence, or the enemy has recieved reinforcements since the Imperial strike force was sent

 

and one last thing;

 

if you intend to post in this thread your views on the chapter, sure be my guest, have a blast, but Please post some sort of fix for whatever problem you may question or want to pull apart, like "this doesnt work this way, but if you did it This way it would work Much better," instead of just saying "that wont work," like you've done here. So in the future, post away, but I do require some kind of ability to have it an indepth conversation instead of just "this wont work," "yes it will" sort of thing (my apologies if I seemed mad or if I was rude)