What the...?

[Dominar_Mortis]

Looking at a close up of the new plastic scout sniper rifles, it suddenly occurred to me that these don't appear to be bolt weapons. is this true?

 

are those hefty power cables for stability or are they just like the IG hell-lasrifle-thingy?

 

would they look better with a square bolter magazine (Scout bolt pistol) instead of the IG looking powerpack magazine?

 

 

DM :drool:

[VulkansFury]

Im pretty sure the standard Imperial Sniper weapon is designated Needle Rifle. I think it read that a high powered laser penetrates the armor an instant later a needle bullet enters the hole and strikes the target. Because it isnt a bolt weapon is remains almost silent.

[pinkbunny]

I noticed too, one sniperrifle has a lasgun pack on it, so I assume theyre lasweps

 

 

HAH you marins have flash;lights too!!!

[Artimis Vergadin]

why is this in PC&A?

[Dominar_Mortis]

why is this in PC&A?

i was building the background for this question:

 

would they look better with a square bolter magazine (Scout bolt pistol) instead of the IG looking powerpack magazine?

i don't like having SM scouts toting flashlights.

 

Im pretty sure the standard Imperial Sniper weapon is designated Needle Rifle. I think it read that a high powered laser penetrates the armor an instant later a needle bullet enters the hole and strikes the target. Because it isnt a bolt weapon is remains almost silent.

i remeber something along those lines, but didn't the last set of metal scouts have silenced bolt rounds? (i think the kneeling one was loading one round into the chamber)

 

 

DM :blink:

[Hellfury]

I think that they are still needle rifles. They have been for a very very long time, since RT I believe.

 

Now onto the cables. Needle rifles dont use cartridges. They are gas powered.

[fireangel]

THe Needle Rifle operates by sending a small laser shot to the target prior to the gun releasing the needle (a small frozen needle of poison). The laser shot is so that the weapon can bore through any armor prior to the poison round making it to the target.

 

All official fluff, from 1st and 2nd Edition. They dropped a lot of the descriptions of the weapons from their fluff in newer editions.

[madscuzzy]

Are you intending to model some sniper rifles as variants to the norm? Or equip existing scouts with other weapons and have models to show for it? If yes, then this stays else, I'll move it over to amicus.

[Dominar_Mortis]

Are you intending to model some sniper rifles as variants to the norm? Or equip existing scouts with other weapons and have models to show for it?

i am intending to convert the "splinter rifles" to make them appear more bolter like. the actual scouts will be varied in poses, eg. mostly kneeling (watch this space for a 2 part toot :blink: ) and prone unsupported (on their guts).

 

so would it be a viable conquest to model these as a bolter varient weapon (bolter or bolt pistol magazine) with the power cables still there powering the "stability generators" or just cut them right out and call them bolt sniper rifles?

 

 

DM :P

[Vashiel]

Cables could be targeter links, or other stuff, so you can keep 'em.

 

BTW, the current Ed. description of IG snipers is no longer the needle rifle. They are modified "long-las" variant lasguns, with scopes and "hot-shot" power packs.

[Ignatius]

I always assumed they were high calibar rifles, hence why the old metal neeling scout is loading a shell into the rifle. The power cords I assumed were for the targeting system and scopes. What ever it should say in the wargear book.

 

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[Deimos]

He isn't loading a shell, it's a vial of poison...

[Ignatius]

Looks like a shell, how do you know it's a vile of poison?

 

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[Brother Lysander]

I know I painted mine luminous green to represent the scout loading the poison.

 

BL

[StratoKhan]

Looks like a shell, how do you know it's a vial of poison?

 

 

... the background written for Needle Sniper rifles that would make that the most background compliant option.

 

The truth is, the sculptor probably thought it was cooler to sculpt the scout holding a shell, and now everyone is confused and scrambling around trying to explain things due to inconsistency.

 

In the end, whether the weapon is bolt action, long las, or needle sniper (I like the needle sniper idea), makes no real difference. When you pay the X amount of points for that weapon, you will invariably get a Heavy 1, Sniper, Pinning Weapon. Therefore my advice is do whatever you want to the weapon as long as it can be recognised as a weapon for sniping, and all the unit's weapons of that type look similar.

 

If you can convert the sniper rifles from bolters, the only issue would be if some really picky person decides to make an issue of it and gets all WYSIWYG on you.

[Frozenflame]

Last time I read the fluff, it also mentioned the sniper rifle being similar as the needle rifle.

 

I think either the laser is shot to bore a hole in the armour so that the needle would penetrate easily or it is used as a guiding mechanism, almost forming a path for the needle to follow.

 

and also the ammunition of the rifle is poison from the vial (attached to the side of the rifle). it is frozen in the shape of a needle prior to being shot. When it penetrates, it melts instantly.

[Kuroneko]

I'd think the weapons would vary. As long as it's relatively silent and precise, several weapons would de the job. Model is as you like, use the rules, and find an excuse if attacked by fluffmonsters.

[Dawn of the Dogs]

back in the days of 2nd ed, scouts had needle sniper rifles, but the thing is, needle rifles didnt work on nids and i dont think it worked on daemons either, so all you could use to take them down was the laser pulse it emitted before delivering the toxic needle. but that was only strength 3 and that wasnt enough to take down charging stealers.

 

and needle weapons arnt that common on the battlefield nowadays, so i guess that marines are making the change from needles, to powerpacks.

[madscuzzy]

In any case, fluffwise or not, it is up to you to how you want to make your sniper rifles. After all, different races/factions use different types of sniper rifles. Eldar(2nd ed fluff) and scouts both use las+dart combi, IG super flashlight, Vindicare's Exitus bolts. Lets just see your ideas for the snipers...:)

[Rau le Creuset]

Btw for a silent boltweapon you don't need a sniper like rifle. As the Inquisitor Rulebook says you just need gas driven bolt ammunition nothing more.

[Daeothar]

I used Exitus Rifles on my first two scouts (more to follow, in due time...):

 

The first one:

 

http://www.xs4all.nl/~daeothar/FieryLions/Pictures/ForumPictures/Sniper1WIP.jpg

 

And the second (two shots from different angles for clarity)

 

http://www.xs4all.nl/~daeothar/FieryLions/Pictures/ForumPictures/Sniper2WIP.jpg

 

http://www.xs4all.nl/~daeothar/FieryLions/Pictures/ForumPictures/Sniper2WIP2.jpg

 

Especially in combination with the new plastics, these are really easy to use / convert in...

[Domani]

IMHO I don't really like the idea of a laser being used before the bullet comes. Would make the slight chance for a moving target to have the laser hit but the bullet reflect off. Mind you for games purposes it does sound really "Futuristic" << SP?

[Pyriel]

back in the days of 2nd ed, scouts had needle sniper rifles, but the thing is, needle rifles didnt work on nids and i dont think it worked on daemons either, so all you could use to take them down was the laser pulse it emitted before delivering the toxic needle. but that was only strength 3 and that wasnt enough to take down charging stealers.

 

and needle weapons arnt that common on the battlefield nowadays, so i guess that marines are making the change from needles, to powerpacks.

Always thought why bother with unworking needlerifles (strong wind will do exactly what to your extremely light weight sliver of poison?)

when you can take todays 50. cal sniper cannon, make it even more bizarre by upping it to .75 and all of a sudden you have got yourself a carnifex, tank, [insert just about anything], long ranged instant killer!

[Dominar_Mortis]

Lets just see your ideas for the snipers...

unfortunatley i wont be getting these little beauts until this coming WED14JUN06. but rest assured these will feature here as a bolt weapon

 

at work tonight i was thinking of a bit of fluff for keeping the bits on the gat

 

1 - cables: these power the scope/targeting array and also power the stability generator housed in the foward grip (kind of like the deathwatch HB)

 

2 - the solid state poison breech: this could be either the gas blow-off valve used for the subsonic penetrator round or the gas canister locking mechanism for rapid cooling of the rifle's chamber and working parts

 

both of these sound legit and possible. as for modeling,the magazine could just be a piece of plasticard cut to shape and indents representing the rounds shaved on with a scaple (like they are showing thru similar to the HB) or simply cut of a bolt pistol. the gas canister could just be a piece of plasti-rod and a blob of shaped gs on the top, i'm thinking something like the plasma canisters would look cool :lol:

 

Always thought why bother with unworking needlerifles (strong wind will do exactly what to your extremely light weight sliver of poison?)

when you can take todays 50. cal sniper cannon, make it even more bizarre by upping it to .75 and all of a sudden you have got yourself a carnifex, tank, [insert just about anything], long ranged instant killer!

exactly! :angry:

 

@daeothar: that is one sexy looking gat! does it take much to do the swap?

 

 

DM :unsure:

[Berevius_the_Justifier]

:unsure: I thought they were bolt rifles so I painted the "poison" like a Bolt.