Goththing Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 I dont want to jump on the band waggon of "Loyalist Traitor" i want to be my own and be one of the few people to have a Army of Pre-Heresy Marines. But since i sold all of my 40k stuff including my 'Dexes, and cant remeber much. :P I was wondering what Traits would you surgest for the Luna Wolves? I personally was thinking about the Black Templar Dex to represent their rules. But im open to surgestions Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89586-traits-to-use-for-ph-luna-wolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
krusade Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 you'd be right on the money using that codex as from all accounts the luna wolves favoured close assault over ranged warfare... however you may wanna try the space marine dex with more assault flavoured traits as well as... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89586-traits-to-use-for-ph-luna-wolves/#findComment-1030978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus6 Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 I disagree,...these guys were by far and away not Templars. That and they speak greatly in "False Gods" about their Companies and the constant cleaning of bolters. I got the feeling after reading the book that PH LW would love to shoot a enenmy to bits and then rush in and destroy anything left alive. They were definately adept at both Close Combat and Marksmanship. In fact, I might consider these guys as very Infantry-centric and everything else supporting. Severus6 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89586-traits-to-use-for-ph-luna-wolves/#findComment-1031029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubal Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 Start with reading Horus Rising, then come back :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89586-traits-to-use-for-ph-luna-wolves/#findComment-1031073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexx Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 Although I'd shy away from the BT dex, or any named dex for that matter; it can pretty much be assumed that the Legions were big enough and had enough different units that you could use pretty much any trait combo you wanted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89586-traits-to-use-for-ph-luna-wolves/#findComment-1031383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dcxiii Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 Hey guys, 1st post and all that :devil: I too have wanted to do a pre-heresy army for a long time. As soon as I read the Abnett book had to be Luna Wolves ^_^. I interpreted them as very well-trained infantry based force. This was also convenient for me as I dont really like tanks anyway. I was going to use any of the below: advantages Suffer not the works of heretics - well trained infantry Honour your Wargear - as above No mercy, No respite - as above disadvantages Flesh over steel - lack of tech advancements - few tanks Have faith in suspicion - Didnt know much about the warp / psykers Wouldnt recommend aspire to glory - at the forefront of the crusade - got the best kit faithful unto death - same again we stand alone - willing to fight with anyone - the primarchs are brothers. My two cents anyway. More ideas welcome though Cheers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89586-traits-to-use-for-ph-luna-wolves/#findComment-1031530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironloki Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 The question is - Do you need to use traits at all? The legions were very flexible when it came to combat and Horus wasn't as one dimensional as the other leaders who were simple close combat or long ranged. There was a reason why he was the best ;) So from me I would go with no traits as they are not needed in my view ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89586-traits-to-use-for-ph-luna-wolves/#findComment-1031941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Hmm, I could almost think that useing the Chaos Dex but without any Gift of the Gods/Marks/Daemonic Gifts/Daemon Weapons would be a good base. 'Cause then you would have the very flexible force that the Luna Wolves seemed to be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89586-traits-to-use-for-ph-luna-wolves/#findComment-1031969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyTalon Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Well, as I was reading Horus Rising recently too, I had a similar idea for giving the Pre-Heresy Traitor Legions Traits from Codex: Space Marines, and I thought this would be the best Traits for them: Trust-Your Battle Brothers--Since they wield Bolters alot, and as said before, tend to shoot at their foes and pin them down, before piling into combat to finish them of. No Mercy, No Respite--They seem to be a very relentless Legion in my opinion, and when they decide that negotiations have failed, they give no quarter--no mercy for the unclean :ph34r: . Can't remember what I put down for the drawbacks though, so when I'm next on here I'll make sure to have looked for the paper i did it on, and tell you what I put down, as I'm planning on doing a kill-team for some Pre-Heresy Luna Wolves sometime in the future (hopefully near, but you ll know how its easy to get distracted :ph34r: ) Just my ideas, SkyTalon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89586-traits-to-use-for-ph-luna-wolves/#findComment-1034511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
krusade Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 actually from reading both the chaos dex and the HH books, Horus was very one dimentional when it cam to tactics. The "speartip" was constantly used, that is, overwhelming force against a specific target ( sounds rather like modern american army tactics ). What won most of the battles were the abilities of the luna wolves plus the galvanising effect of Horus's leadership. I would say there were better commanders like Alpharius, Dorn and J'ohnson, but none with the charisma of Horus which was why he was loved better then the others. i would advocate no mercy, no respite and trust your battle brothers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89586-traits-to-use-for-ph-luna-wolves/#findComment-1035437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanger Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 I would advice to use the Chaos dex, and why you ask? 1.) LW are pre-heresy which includes: -The Assault Cannon was reinvented at the end of the HH (and then they were already named The Sons of Horus...), but they have the Reaper Autocannon -Back then they did not make extensive use of jump pack troops, they were few -Plasma Cannon, Multi-Melta? They used the Autocannon instead. 2.) Flexibility. The basic CSM squads are very flexible, customizable, and you get almost everything the SM codex can offer you (exept for things like Apotheracies and True Grit...) And Chosen Terminators are very customizable too... 3.) Only stay away from marks, mutations, daemons, and spec chaos units. For evey pre-heresy army I would recomend to use the CSM codex. Oh, and 4.) Black Legion is Luna Wolves... some thousand years after :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89586-traits-to-use-for-ph-luna-wolves/#findComment-1036984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
krusade Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 i wouldnt take the CSM dex for every pre heresy army. in fact i wouldnr take it at all. a majority of the hardware you listed was being phased out as weaponry that used plasma and lasers were begining to come into production. jump troops were used ( the begining of "horus rising" had a section with jump troops in it ). whats more SM squads are flexible as well and the traits system customises them. so really besides the obvious luna wolves to black legion thing, there is no real reason to pick the csm dex over sm dex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89586-traits-to-use-for-ph-luna-wolves/#findComment-1037009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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