Exquisite Evil Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Welcome. Some of you may remember this chap: http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/PICT2120.jpg I painted him as a 'test' model for a prospective commission client. Well it seems he liked it as he gave the 'thumbs up' and sent me the army to paint. This thread will chronicle my task of completing this commission, and hopefully provide some inspiration on building armies to a good standard. Ok, so before I go on- a little background. The client bought the army off of Ebay and not everything is up to par modeling wise. Not only will I be painting the army but hopefully I can correct any modeling fau-pas and provide a few basic tips as I progress. I will show the models exactly as I recieved them and provide updates as I progress, from reconstructing the minis to painting them all to the standard shown in the above picture. For your info, all the models still have mould lines/flash and an excess of superglue seems to have been used.There are various other problems too but I will highlight these with the pics. So on with the fun stuff - pictures! http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/PICT2133.jpg Grandmaster with Terminator retinue. Problems: one of the GKs force halberds is broken(dont have missing piece), and all of the heraldry shields are missing. Posing not great. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/PICT2136.jpg 10 Greyknights inc. Justicar. Problems: Bad posing. not all of the moldings on he figures are up to par. notable the special wpns and under Justicars left arm. No backpacks :P , will order and recharge client. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/PICT2137.jpg 9 Greyknights inc. Justicar. Problems: Same as above. Incinerator molding is terrible and may not be salvageable. This squad will inc.the 'test' guy above to make 10. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/PICT2139.jpg Dread. Problems: Forgeworld body- lots of flash etc.will be difficult to 'clean' as the dread is assembled. biggest problem is the model has no shin guards. I will try improvise with my bitz box - im thinking cut down chaos warrior shields but suggestions are welcome :) And here is a group shot of the task at hand.... http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/PICT2140.jpg Now, here is how I will go about turning the above into a great looking army. 1. Clean up! -Remove all the arms for the models aswell as all the flash, leftover glue and mould lines.Also will be drilling out those barrels 2. Pose Down. -mix up the arms to get nice poses on the minis.This stage will include adding pins to arms , but i wont be glueing untill later. 3. Rock n Roll - Basing. will just be a simple sand job for the GKs in power armour. Bit more for termies, and the Dread is modular. 4. Black mist - Undercoating the models.Spray job. 5. Quick silver - basecoat the models and add first glazes- from this point on I will work a squad by squad basis. 6 All in the detail - next coat/highlights final glazes. paint base here-just simple drybrush here... 7.Stick n twist - glue the models together and touch up with final highlights etc. 8.Emperor Protects - Varnish time! Well thats all! :ph34r: ;) So I hope you will all stick around - but most importantly I hope you enjoy this thread and maybe even take something away from it... So my next update will be; 1. Clean up! Seen you then EE Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithrilforge Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Good luck with the clean up,the dread wont be fun at all ! i'll be watching this intently, as your test model looked quite good. i hope the client is paying well(not tooo well,but enough to ease the pain of your pre-paint work :ph34r: ) Mithril Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1031785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SigmundMan Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Good luck! I have no idea why everything on ebay seems to be soaked in superglue.. at least these figures are metal and you wont break them as easily getting them appart. I tryed looking for bits you might be able to use for the dreadnought and maybe if you have any spare rhino doors you could cut them down and use either the plane or textured side. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1031798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havock Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 How about imperial guard track guards? Local IG players will probably have some left ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1031884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAChos Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 If you're getting a mail order anyway then you can't go wrong with mail ordering these. I've got one on my dreadnaught, and they'll look even better on a grey knight one due to the big =][=. Just needs a little bit of cutting and a sprue spacer to move it out from the leg. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1031932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exquisite Evil Posted June 16, 2006 Author Share Posted June 16, 2006 If you're getting a mail order anyway then you can't go wrong with mail ordering these. I've got one on my dreadnaught, and they'll look even better on a grey knight one due to the big =][=. Just needs a little bit of cutting and a sprue spacer to move it out from the leg. Thanks Zac! I think thats the answer! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1032225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exquisite Evil Posted June 16, 2006 Author Share Posted June 16, 2006 1. Clean up Spent around 30 mins so far Cleaning the power armour miniatures. This included taking off the arms, removing superglue, and drilling barrels. Here is the WIP shot; http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/PICT2148.jpg This stage is a little tedious but is necessary for a good looking army. Sit down in front of the TV or whatever and just get on with it. I did it whilst 'watching' footie(soccer) on the box :tu: Next - drilling. Not everyone drills out barrels of firearms etc, but IMO it makes a huge difference in the finished product for not much effort. If you are new to the hobby or just dont know about drilling here is an explanation. This is a pin vice drill. I got mine from GW but you can find them in most hobby stores. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/PICT2146.jpg As you can see it comes with muliple drill bits. For ease of ref I will call them 1-2-3 and 4. 1 being the smallest bit on the far left of the pic 4 the biggest on the right. Now the model. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/PICT2145.jpg As you can see the barrels are solid rather than hollow. This example has small indentations hinting at a hollow barrel, other examples will be flat. I used these indents for a guide when drilling. I suggest if the barrel is flat take a pin or the point of a model knife and make an indent in the middle of the flat barrel. This will help your drill get grip when you start and stop you going 'off course'. For this model I uses drill 2 for the main barrel and 1 for the side holes. There is no hard and fast rule to this - just use the drill size you find the most appropriate for the job. heres what it looks like once drilled; http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/PICT2147.jpg An improvement im sure youll agree ^_^ It does become even more noticable once the paints applied, and as I said will add a nice touch to your models. Its little touches like this which will differentiate your average TT army to some that little bit extra. Next step removing flash and mouldlines.... Stay tuned! EE Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1032317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Knight Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Well, i must say i absolutely love the grey knight you painted, not many people can pull off the good looking metallic grey knight(me being one of those who can't, me and metallics just don't mix :devil: ). I also DEMAND(read as please tell us) :wacko: the recipe for the red and the parchments on the painted GK. I'll be checking this thread for updates on the posed guys, I know how hard it can be to get a good pose for a grey knight without being repetitive in the squad Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1032543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exquisite Evil Posted June 17, 2006 Author Share Posted June 17, 2006 Well, i must say i absolutely love the grey knight you painted, not many people can pull off the good looking metallic grey knight(me being one of those who can't, me and metallics just don't mix :D ). I also DEMAND(read as please tell us) :devil: the recipe for the red and the parchments on the painted GK. I'll be checking this thread for updates on the posed guys, I know how hard it can be to get a good pose for a grey knight without being repetitive in the squad Well as youve probably noticed, I am conducting this thread not only as a blog to progress the commission, but also (hopefully) a 'how to' guide to building an army from start to finish. So, once I get to it, I will provide a tutorial on painting the models. Yes and the red and parchment :wink: I could tell all now, but it would spoil the surprise... :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1032554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penitent Dreadnought Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 No backpacks :devil: , will order and recharge client. You will also be charging for the new shin armor on the dread, too? Also, were you paid in advance or sign a contract or something? Lastly, is the client aware of this thread, so that he/she may follow your progress? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1032566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exquisite Evil Posted June 17, 2006 Author Share Posted June 17, 2006 No backpacks :cuss , will order and recharge client. You will also be charging for the new shin armor on the dread, too? Also, were you paid in advance or sign a contract or something? Lastly, is the client aware of this thread, so that he/she may follow your progress? I will charge for the shins if I order them. He knows about the backpacks and the Termie shields - I will clear the shin pad purchase before I go ahead. Half paid upfront half on completion. The second half will include such things as the 'extras' and P&P (client knows this). I asked the client for his permission that I do a blog of his army. Some clients can be picky about the nature of commissions so I find it best to clear anything anjd everything with them first. I update the client first via email but as I said he knows of the thread. Hope Ive answered you questions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1032652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertz Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 nice, and professional, EE now get to work! :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1032820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apnu Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Sweeeeeet! I'll be watching this thread with great interest! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1036115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exquisite Evil Posted June 21, 2006 Author Share Posted June 21, 2006 1. Clean Up.....part 2... Ok in the first part I showed how to add an extra dimension to your minis by drilling out any barrels. Now I will quickly run through what I consider the most important part of the preperation stage for you minis - removing flash/mould lines. Many a times I have seen a good paint job ruined by an unsightly mould line. To be honest, although I consider this part important it is also the most tedious job of putting together an army. My job here is especially hard as Im using metal minis... On to the tools I use... http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/PICT2161.jpg Clippers, a sharp modeling knife, and needle files. The files IMO are more important for metals than plastics, where a modeling knife will usually suffice. I use the squared flat file for flat surfaces and larger areas, and the rounded file to get into all those hard to reach places. I find its best to work in a 'production line' manner. Using the clippers first remove all unwanted flash from the models. Then I use the modeling Knife and give the mould lines a few 'scrapes' - the knife really lets you get into all the nooks and crannies so concentrate on those areas. Then the files. Flat followed by the rounded. try not to go crazy here - you want to remove the lines but keep the original shape of what you were 'fixing'. So here is an example of a couple of models with mould lines http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/PICT2158.jpg and here are the guys after a few minutes with the above tools http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/PICT2160.jpg Like the drilling, not that much of a difference here - but will make a HUGE difference once the painting begins:D OK so with that tedious lot out of the way - its time to move on to the Pose Down... EE Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1036379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Are you going to straighting the halberd's or leave them as is? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1036489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exquisite Evil Posted June 22, 2006 Author Share Posted June 22, 2006 Are you going to straighting the halberd's or leave them as is? Straighten of course - but thats in the pose down... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1036493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aretziel Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 nice project and I bookmark this thread now so I will find it =) I like the info and the amount of pics to show things you do in progress ... thanks in advance for what seems to be a good and even great tutorial on the 'basics' of any army making from box to table =) I have never seen the Grey Knights with swords =) to be perfectly honest =) I knew the old ones had swords but I never got any sword with the ones I had back then ... they look better with sword then the hilebard =) BT Forgeworld stormshields and swords would make these guys look bad =) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1036509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angry_veggies Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 so ah, when will you start the painting? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1042840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironloki Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Good luck. I hate the cleaning process especially with metal models and you have a ton there :) . How long is it taking you to clean and drill these guys out or is it going rather smoothly? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1042872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exquisite Evil Posted June 30, 2006 Author Share Posted June 30, 2006 Updates are imminent - alas, the World Cup is on at the moment though and it is somewhat 'hampering' my progress :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1043009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seleucus Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 I noticed that they have the leg plates for the new Ven. Dread. for direct order as bitz in the back of WD318 (UK). Would these work better than the shins from the Throne? Seleucus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1043268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exquisite Evil Posted June 30, 2006 Author Share Posted June 30, 2006 I noticed that they have the leg plates for the new Ven. Dread. for direct order as bitz in the back of WD318 (UK). Would these work better than the shins from the Throne? Seleucus hmmm maybe, alas I am in Canada and theyre not available here...yet.... I have conflict calgary in a week though and they do components there. if theres anything I can use ill get it there- thus saving the customer money! See customer orientated ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1043346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angry_veggies Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Updates are imminent - alas, the World Cup is on at the moment though and it is somewhat 'hampering' my progress ;) yes the world cup, it sucks everyone in. its good stuff :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1043512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlteriusMotive Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 COOL, can't wait to see the painting get started. If i had money..... Good job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1043516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodGore Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Updates are imminent - alas, the World Cup is on at the moment though and it is somewhat 'hampering' my progress ;) yes the world cup, it sucks everyone in. its good stuff :D yeah damn shame my favourite team the SOCCEROOS got there (cant swear dont wanna get banned(agian)) kicked italy is pretty good Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/89697-malleus/#findComment-1043576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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