angel robertson Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Brothers, This is my completed first termie for the AoD he is the test model!! I would like C&C please!! I will say a few things first though! He is shiney cause im waiting on my dullcoate to arrive plus he was taken using the cmaera flash!! He is still needed both pads as i want forgeworld ones!! Plus he needs something on his shoulder emblem type thing! And his powerfist! What do you suggest? Any way here are the pics!! http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e119/AngelRobertson/termie012.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e119/AngelRobertson/termie015.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e119/AngelRobertson/termie016.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e119/AngelRobertson/termie017.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e119/AngelRobertson/termie018.jpg PLease give me all comment!! As i want to improve my painting!! Cheers, AR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
undead marine Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Nice TT quality, but the highlights are quite thick and dark. Try highlighting again, with a ligher colour, or paint over them, to get them thinner. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1035445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slotff Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 I really like your metal linings on the legs, thought it looks simple, its pretty damn efficant. While I can see what you were going for on the face (kind of the dull shades, like the rest of the model) it got a little mangled. All in all a great peice of work though ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1035446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Belial Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Nice TT quality, but the highlights are quite thick and dark. Try highlighting again, with a ligher colour, or paint over them, to get them thinner. ^_^ Or give them a thin wash with the base color. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1035447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel robertson Posted June 20, 2006 Author Share Posted June 20, 2006 Thanks for the comments!! I tried washing them but couldn't get it right so in the end gave up in case i did something really stupid i couldn't fix!! Any tips on washing over the highlights? Cheers, AR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1035453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazal Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Thanks for the comments!! I tried washing them but couldn't get it right so in the end gave up in case i did something really stupid i couldn't fix!! Any tips on washing over the highlights? Cheers, AR Try a 50/50 mix of your black and grey colors there. Then with you finest brush, paint a line between the grey and black, don't be afraid if it goes on the grey a little. Hopfuly my line art here makes sense: -------------------- Light Grey highlight -------------------- 50/50 Black/Grey mix -------------------- Black Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1035458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel robertson Posted June 20, 2006 Author Share Posted June 20, 2006 Ok i will give it a try hopefully tomorrow!! As i would like to stay away from inks as i can't control them as well as i would like!! Cheers, AR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1035464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Angelus Sanctus Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Well the red half looks good, the black half, also looks good, although the highlights do look a tad bit bright and thick. Id say a simple black ink would suffice, but since you dont feel confident with inking ^_^ If you just leave the black ink to the black side you should be ok. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1035499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Maggot Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 If you have problems with ink control try using Future Floor Wax. It's improved mine 10 fold. Only problem I've found is that gravity affects the ink a lot more so I do two washes. The second time I leave the model upside down ^_^ Your technique looks good. To improve I suggest just trying to neaten things up like the highlights on the black areas. Good job though :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1035531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Sha'son Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Stupid questions, stupid questions, stupid questions ALERT!!! where are the shoulder pads? Why did you put the Heraldry shield on before the shoulder pads? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1035590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel robertson Posted June 21, 2006 Author Share Posted June 21, 2006 I am going to put forgeworld pads on and i cant afford them at the minute!! I checked the shield is in the right place with blue tack before glueing so i know i have left enough room for the pad to fit!! Thanksk for all the comments guys!! I will try tidying bth ehihgkights up tonight and hopefully post an update!! Cheers, AR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1035729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redthirst Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 water down some brown ink (about 3/4 water to 1/4 ink), mix it with a few drops of white glue, and apply it liberally to the red areas. use black paint to "erase" about half of your black hightlights... they need to be much thinner. highlight all your bone with bleached bone and skull white. if the color gets too light you can water down some snakebite leather and give it a wash. also, i see you tried to drill out your barrels... while i applaud your efforts, your storm bolter looks googly-eyed :wacko: (like the Brian Peppers of storm bolters). maybe you should think about replacing that arm and taking a little more time drilling out the next one... it really detracts from the whole model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1035733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel robertson Posted June 21, 2006 Author Share Posted June 21, 2006 Cheers for the advice!! I may well replace that arm as the drilled out holes have been really annoying me!! Only problem is i can't find a decent arm to go on there!! I may have to leave it and just take my time with the others!! Why are you adding glue to your ink wash?! Cheers, AR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1035745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redthirst Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Why are you adding glue to your ink wash?! breaks water tension and causes the wash to sheet insted of bead... also it dulls the whole thing nicely, so instead of a shiny red (from the ink) you have a matte finish. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1035767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel robertson Posted June 21, 2006 Author Share Posted June 21, 2006 That sounds like sound advice!! I have been trying to work out how to make inks matte!! I shall def give this a go when im home from work!! Cheers, AR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1035790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Maggot Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 I believe once glue or vanish is added it becomes whats called a glaze? Check out Mr Nielsen here for some great tips on them. http://www.jrn-works.dk/tutorials/tut.php?...glazing&lan=eng Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1035882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel robertson Posted June 21, 2006 Author Share Posted June 21, 2006 I thought a glaze was just a really watered down ink!! Interesting . . . Any thoughts on how to paint the silver a bit better? Cheers, AR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1035900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlandMoonGuy Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 I may well replace that arm as the drilled out holes have been really annoying me!! ... I may have to leave it and just take my time with the others!!One way I keep my drill holes even is getting them started with an xacto blade first. Take the very tip of the blade and carve out a divot where you want your hole to start. When you drill out the hole, the divot will keep the bit from slipping off to the side. That works for me unless I fail to make my initial xacto cut even with the barrel. On the stormbolters I even measure them out to distribute the holes evenly. As far as muting the highlights on the Black side Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1035925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronophague Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 It looks ok I think, the flash distorts the highlights and colours I would assume. It's a bit wonky without shoulderpads, so I look forward to seeing it with them later on. And one other thing. Why do you end every sentence with a exclamation point? I mean, you're not Donald Duck, you don't have to yell every sentence... Cheers!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1035930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel robertson Posted June 21, 2006 Author Share Posted June 21, 2006 I have an update for you!! http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e119/AngelRobertson/termie019.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e119/AngelRobertson/termie020.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e119/AngelRobertson/termie021.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e119/AngelRobertson/termie022.jpg These were taken in the cold light of day and i think the pictures themselves are better quality!! I had a play with the black highlights using a mix of people comments and i think i still have a long way to go but its a start!! I also highlighted the bone a bit and the face and added some text to the purity seals!! I will post more pics when he has been hit with dullcoat! I am now going to finish adding details to the rest of the squad and get them sprayed plus carry on woth the first 5 of a tac squad!! Possibly pics of the tacs later!! Cheers, AR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1036162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Angelus Sanctus Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 The highlights definitely dont look as harsh now, well done :blink: Lookin really good. I think the darkening of the highlights helped alot :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1036225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Sha'son Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 I do not aim this comment to anyone in specific, and if this is taken as flaming, please dont. I do realize that there are more than one way to do things. Some of the advice given is overly complicated for a simple task, especially without explaination. Instead of adding white glue to your ink, use Future Floor Finish. Future Floor Finish is an acrylic based floor product., Smells really fruity and works wonders for breaking the surface tension of inks. You can find it or a similar product in any store comparable to Wal Mart or Target. If This product becomes the Holy Grail, then adding dishsoap helps break the tension as well. For glazing over black, I would MIX 1 drop of black ink with 2 drops of blue ink. Once that is a homogenous mixture, then I would add 20 drops of FFF to that. The point is not to erase the highlighting you have done, but to tint it slightly. After each layer dries, you can add more layers to get the desired effect. Judging from your model, I would say 5 glaze layers would do, so the hilights are more subtle. The key is not to blob it on like I see some many people do. Use a controlled stroke, just as you would if you were doing a basecoat. To fix mistakes, as someone stated, simply apply the basecoat to fix strayed lines. These are techniques that I picked up after reading EVERY Schadle post, and having Laszlo and other top painters here in the Bay Area to point out certain techniques. This is a technique for you to try and experiment with. I use to think inking and so on was for the lazy. Those who coulde not be bother using thin layers to shade. I tell you now Glazing is an invaluable tool. because it ties in all that hard effort together, making the effect that much more believeable. A small hair dryer is a good tool to have as well. It cuts the time between layers, down from 20 minutes to roughly 3 mins. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1036253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel robertson Posted June 21, 2006 Author Share Posted June 21, 2006 Well thank you for the advice :tu: I hear loads of people using FFF but i am in the UK and cannot think of a good substitue!! I assume you are using a pipet to add drops of ink and FFF? Or just letting paint drop fromt he brush? Also get ready for stupidity but what does homogenus mean? How do you guys actually add your highlights? What colour's do you go for on a black model? No other pics tonight but i have got my other termies totally build and primed. They are currently drying, i would have worked on the tacs but i started watching the Holland Argentina football :wink: Cheers, AR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1036263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Sha'son Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Maybe you can find a product called Klear in the UK. Same product. Try this article for a reference Complete Future Homogenous all of the same or of the same kind. So in this case making the mixture of the two inks as one. In other words, mix it mo' gooder. As for hilighting black. I am a grey guy myself. But I seen some awesome results using a combo of blue and grey. I am in the process of experimenting to see how I like it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1036279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel robertson Posted June 21, 2006 Author Share Posted June 21, 2006 Cool thanks for the link!! How many layers of highlighting do most peoples TT models get? AR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90023-first-termi-for-aod/#findComment-1036284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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