Tinweasel Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 I'm doing a duel scene between a Space Marine Standard Bearer and a Kroot Carnivore. I've got the scene itself modeled and painted up, but I'm in the process of gap-filling and tidying up the figures. He's supposed to be a wounded Marine about to get pounced upon by a Kroot jumping off a nearby pillar with rifle swinging. Here's the Marine so far: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/bwride/sm_duel_gs.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/bwride/sm_duel_gs2.jpg I don't have a whole lot of experience with GS, so I'd appreciate any feedback or suggestions, both on the work thus far and on any other ideas as to what to add. Thanks in advance! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkbunny Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 make sure thestandard pole is touching the ground so it looks like he is supporting himself with it, otherwise he would fall over Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1036439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Where's the rest of the banner? Looks good you might want to move the arm up to show the marine is aware of the kroot's whereabout's. Good luck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1036484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinweasel Posted June 22, 2006 Author Share Posted June 22, 2006 The rest of the banner is shredded, as is the back of his leg. When I've got him situated in the duel display base, the banner pole sits flush with the bottom - looking at GW's official models, they all have them flush with the top of the slottabase, probably to avoid conflict with whatever scenery the figure might be on. I'm planning on painting him up as a UM 2nd Company, and what I wanted to do with the banner was have it look like it had been through the same struggle that the Marine had. His leg is mangled, his armor is scarred, he's leaning on the banner pole for support... and he's got a hungry Kroot jumping down at him from a crumbled pillar for a killing blow as he's limping through ruins in a CityFight setting. These are the most recent pics of the figures in the display base itself - the figures have been reposed slightly since these ones: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/bwride/krootvsm_duel_scene3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/bwride/krootvsm_duel_scene4_thumb.jpg (thumbnail pic) And the most recent pic of the painted base, minus the figures: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/bwride/krootvsm_duel_scene_fin.jpg Comments and suggestions greatly appreciated! (I plan on likely redoing the banner, as I don't like the fact that it turned out pretty rough looking. Anyone know of any good tutorials on making banners?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1036849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelos Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 :P thats awesome, i like the kroot especially. can waitto see the painted figures Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1036865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archangelus Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Nice!!! I would suggest to bend the knees of the Kroot a bit more backwards. Now he just looks as if he is trying to land on his feet instead of getting as much momentum as possible from the jump. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1036873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
krystalmesh Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Nice!!! I would suggest to bend the knees of the Kroot a bit more backwards. Now he just looks as if he is trying to land on his feet instead of getting as much momentum as possible from the jump. you beat me to it. otherwise it looks darn fancy! excellent work there Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1037036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju'kosian Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 I like it.. I can't wait to see things painted :blush: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1037072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havock Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 The fight would probably end in the marine "accidentaly" impaling the kroot on his banner, or, watching his autosenses, set up a very painful landing on the powerfist :blush: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1037151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Veq Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 The Diorama looks amazing, great job on that. What I'd like to know is where that powerfist wielding standard bearer is from? Forget it, I just found it, lol. Veq. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1037313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoonman Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 I'd take the strap off of the kroot rifle if I were you.... gravity doesn't agree with the way that looks... <.< Other than that, awesome job! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1037377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinweasel Posted June 24, 2006 Author Share Posted June 24, 2006 I wasn't happy it with overall appearance of the banner, so I scrapped it and started a new one from scratch with a different approach. WIP Banner #2: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/bwride/sm_banner_wip2.jpg I still want it slightly rough-looking, since it's supposed to be weathered and battle-worn. It's a hair longer than the other one, but still comes down to roughly half the length of the banner pole because I want it to look like the lower half has been torn off for several reasons: 1) I want it to look like it's been through Hell along with the SM, and 2) it makes for less painting of the unit standard on it. The white bits in the pic are reflections from the glossy Vaseline that I'll be washing off eventually. Suggestions? Comments? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1038472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaoswolf Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 I'd take the strap off of the kroot rifle if I were you.... gravity doesn't agree with the way that looks... <.< Other than that, awesome job! Or try and see if you could change it somewhat to agree w/gravity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1038567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkbunny Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 lovin the new banner Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1038709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primer22 Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 The diorama look great and the new banner looks sutibly torn. The only question i have is why do you use vasaline as it can be hard to get off a mini and can mess with primer, as it is oil based. I pesonally use a water based lubricant called Vagisil that comes off with a simple damp cloth or paper towel. Anyways as i said great work and i cant wait to see it finished. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1038724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinweasel Posted June 25, 2006 Author Share Posted June 25, 2006 Here's the finished Space Marine Standard Bearer w/ battle-damaged banner: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/bwride/sm_banner_fin.jpg Thanks for the suggestion on alternate moistening for working with GS. I'll have to see how it goes... I use Vaseline because it's easy to apply, I can see exactly how much I'm putting on, and at least as compared to water, it doesn't distort the tip of the sculpting tool so I can see exactly what I'm going. I generally save until the very end before priming a quick go-round with lukewarm water and a toothbrush, so as to remove fingerprints, release agent, etc., so scrubbing off excess Vaseline ain't really no big sweat. I can see what you mean, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1039409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinweasel Posted June 28, 2006 Author Share Posted June 28, 2006 Thought I'd post pictures of the WIP thus far. Marine's primed and started, did a few "final" touchups on the scenic duel base, and I still need to do some GS work on the Kroot before I spray him up and get him going. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/bwride/krootvsm_duel_wip_thumb.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/bwride/krootvsm_duel_wip2_thumb.jpg (thumbnail pics) Suggestions, comments, and criticisms greatly appreciated! Hey, it's the first time I've done anything on this scale. All my conversion work thus far is pretty much limited to one figure, and I'm a straight notice at GS-ing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1041266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pdogg117 Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 Looking great so far, keep it up! The only criticism I have for you is that the scenic base looks too bland to me. The dirt looks like it could use another dry brush, bc as of now it seems like it is too one dimensional, with the dirt all being the same basic color...not darker or lighter. Other than that I think its excellent! On another note, the strap on the kroot gun makes sense...if you jumped up in the air, and then were on your way down back to earth, the strap on your gun would billow upwards, just in real life it would make a sort of puffy tear drop shape...the point would be near the butt of the gun, and the round part would be near the barrel to suggest movement both downward and horizontally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1041366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Librarian Swintha Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 I've followed this thread, but I have not posted. Here is my post. I do agree with pdogg about the scenic base being one dimensional. Nothing a little drybrush of a lighter colour can't fix, though. Are we allowed to comment on the Kroot and his positioning for the killing blow? Cuz if we are I'd like to comment that if he was planning on just hitting the marine on the head with the stock of his Kroot rifle...then he is in for a world of hurt. Otherwise I would think the reason his rifle is positioned that way, is for the two knives at the tip of his rifle to be punctured into the marines head as the Kroot landed. I'm wondering if the kroot has enough velocity and weight...because he's taking a most likely jagged, rusty, old, thin, knife through 1" of ceramite roughly. ;) Also, the angle and height of from where the kroot has jumped almost seems as if the Kroot wouldn't have enough velocity even if the Knives were not jagged, rusty, old, thin. Just thought to point out the physics of it all. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1041443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carados Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 I've followed this thread, but I have not posted. Here is my post. I do agree with pdogg about the scenic base being one dimensional. Nothing a little drybrush of a lighter colour can't fix, though. Are we allowed to comment on the Kroot and his positioning for the killing blow? Cuz if we are I'd like to comment that if he was planning on just hitting the marine on the head with the stock of his Kroot rifle...then he is in for a world of hurt. Otherwise I would think the reason his rifle is positioned that way, is for the two knives at the tip of his rifle to be punctured into the marines head as the Kroot landed. I'm wondering if the kroot has enough velocity and weight...because he's taking a most likely jagged, rusty, old, thin, knife through 1" of ceramite roughly. ;) Also, the angle and height of from where the kroot has jumped almost seems as if the Kroot wouldn't have enough velocity even if the Knives were not jagged, rusty, old, thin. Just thought to point out the physics of it all. :( Doesn't really matter, we all know that the kroot will just get rid of the marines itch and will subsequently be pulverized via being on the receiving end of the fist :P . Looks like its coming along very nicely so far ^_^ keep up the good work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1041473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
khornedog Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 it looks cool, except the base looks kinda bland. I think it needs more darks, cause right now it is all midtones and highlights. my $0.02 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1041557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinweasel Posted June 29, 2006 Author Share Posted June 29, 2006 Just to clarify what you folks are saying regarding the color of the base, I'm posting a closeup shot with the base fully in focus. It does have highlights and shading, but I'm wondering if they need to be starker, or I should add in a different color, or what? Whatever comments and suggestions you guys can throw out for the base would be great! I don't tend to get a lot of good feedback like this! I can see the idea of adding static grass - unfortunately, I'll have to go out and buy that. One of my favorites is adding a green moss look, but it doesn't really call for it here. The base does all have shades of beige/brown in it, but I was thinking along the lines of a bright green Kroot and a mid-range blue UM would turn the tide in favor of the figures over the base. Just for the sake of showing off the colors: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/bwride/krootvsm_duel_scene_fin2_thumb.jpg (thumbnail pic) And then the soon-to-be-final colors of the figures, more or less: http://home.comcast.net/~tinweasel/gw_tactical_ultramarine.jpghttp://home.comcast.net/~tinweasel/gw_kroot_hound_front.jpg [image of Xeno Kroot Hound posted for reference and identification purposes only] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1041825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stayeatingpaint Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 woah it looks great, i like the Kroot pose keep up the great work, is the base done? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1041839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy40k Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 I think you need to Darken the Ultramarine, also adding dust to him will really add to the effect. -Legacy40k Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1041851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinweasel Posted June 30, 2006 Author Share Posted June 30, 2006 Any other suggestions on how to improve the base and/or figure posing that haven't been covered? Or for that matter, any specific tweaks to improve things based on stuff that has been covered? I'm going to be going away for a week here for a vacation of sorts, and depending on how things work out, I'll likely be able to do some serious work on the duel figures 'n diorama. (Then again, we just found out last night that my father-in-law may or may not be in a bad way with just-diagnosed cancer... it's less of a vacation now that had been originally planned.) @ Swintha - suggestions on the Kroot and anything else would be fine. @ everyone else - I realize the absurdity of a killing blow, I guess, from the Kroot, given the layout of the diorama. I also know that everyone here is (rightfully so! All hail the Emperor!) biased towards SM's. I essentially made this up for the sake of a duel with a few things in mind. I have this Marine Blood Angel Standard Bearer that's been sitting in my figure box for roughly a year and a half, and I figgered a weathered, battle-damaged SM Standard Bearer would make for a cool model, plus if I painted it up in UM 2nd Company colors I could either a) use it with my own Macragge troops, or, more likely, ;) sell it off online to further my commission painting services/reputation. That and you never see wounded standard bearers, at least I never have as a straight-up figure. I've also been working on a Tau Combat Patrol (yeah, yeah... I know) and for the sake of making some progress on it, I'd model another Kroot Carnivore for my "action-posed" assault Kroot squad. For purposes of the display, the Standard Bearer is severely wounded with a crippled leg, a torn banner, and heavy armor damage from an unknown source (maybe more Kroot? Tyranids? Dunno?) and as he struggles through city ruins, he's leaped upon by a Kroot in ambush who's swinging his bladed rifle down as he jumps off a broken pillar down towards the wounded SM. (He's Infiltrated moving directly into Assault? Again, dunno?) I'm killing, what, 3 or 4 birds with one stone here? The figure bases I'm leaving on for the above reasons. The diorama is for a Duel scene and for use with other figures as well, potentially. This is the first I've ever done anything like this - even before dropping out of painting for about 14 years, the most extravagant thing I did was a base for a dragon with some stones and flock glued onto a layer of plaster! All feedback is welcomed, that's pretty much the bottom line... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90100-space-marine-vs-kroot-duel/#findComment-1043109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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