thunderhawk Posted June 25, 2006 Author Share Posted June 25, 2006 drawings or simple ideas for icons that fit either of the names Revealers or Revenants are welcome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1039360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderhawk Posted June 26, 2006 Author Share Posted June 26, 2006 sry for double posting gene seed: Blood angels the chapter do origin from the Baal guys, but they have learned to control the black rage. "scions of mars" symbolises that the chapter have put their faith in science to overcome the black rage and also were fascinated by the ways of the AM. do this sound like a good start? i have thougt of their barbaric past and their re-founding. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1039699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 *bangs head against the keyboard* :lol: Don't use the BA gene-seed, attempting to suggest your chapter has overcame the Black Rage is like saying they have cured Cancer. I think you should not consider much of a genetic background, allow their feralness to come from the homeworld, how they where trained, their young life. I find these chapters (those passed on nurture) feel a lot deeper than other chapters. Try to forget about quirks and gimmicks, and try and look deep inside this chapter, find the really them. Find out what enthralls you about the chapter, what makes them real to you. I notice I am a rather negative poster in here, and I'm sorry, but you have to learn the hard way...its more fun for me :blink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1039703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderhawk Posted June 26, 2006 Author Share Posted June 26, 2006 i know........... :huh: well, im just saying the have found a scientiffic way of controling or easying the black rage. but i see your point. man, what gene seed is the right!? :lol: urgh aaaarg ughnw* transforming to demon.......... well, i dont like Dorn or Gull, and White scars MC look is something i just find stupid in such a advanced universe. the raven guard are tactical bastards and Dark angels............ uhm........well they just have very strange habbits. *slams face in the wall ...............maybe they are a mix of two chapters.... :blink: . * slams face in the wall again Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1039712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Might Help I think your thinking too much about it. Lets do a little run down shall we? Space Wolves - Never Used Blood Angel - Black Rage is near impossible to overcome Dark Angel - Besides it is rarely used, nothing really wrong Raven Guard - Used a little bit but some major gene-seed faults Iron Hands - Used a bit, again nothing passed on White Scars - You do not need to be Mongols in Space to be a WS successor. The WS are meant to have a furious aspect to their genetics Salamanders - Again nothing here Imperial Fists - lacking a couple of organs, again nothing really. Ultramarines - 2/3 of all chapters are blue, you don't have to be fan. Mixed Gene-Seed? Do you really hate me that much? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1039723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderhawk Posted June 26, 2006 Author Share Posted June 26, 2006 yeah, i hate you :P no :) i dont want to be majority-smurf successor! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1039776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Keep it simple ... So what if they are an Ultramarine successor? Easiest way out of the gene-seed problem :) I have not heard the Storm Lords are all googly-moogly like the White Scars. Could you be a successor to the Dark Angels and not be a part of the Unforgiven? I think yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1039805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 i dont want to be majority-smurf successor!But why? Ferrata's Wings of Death are an Ultramarines successor. My Castigators are an Ultramarine successor. The chapters couldn't be more different if we'd tried. The thing is that you're concentrating too hard on the fiddly little details, the choices that should take you thirty seconds, instead of the big things that pillar your story and prevent the sky from crashing down upon it. The very fact that 60% of chapters are descended from the Ultramarines means that if you say your chapter are Ultramarine successors, it's more believable. Adding drama in at the genetic level takes attention away from the metamorphosis your chapter undergoes. Nevermind the metamorphosis in Ferrata's blood pressure... Could you be a successor to the Dark Angels and not be a part of the Unforgiven? I think yes. Actually, definately yes. Only the first/second-founding DA chapters are the 'unforgiven'. Every other DA successor doesn't even know of the fallen, technically. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1039806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderhawk Posted June 26, 2006 Author Share Posted June 26, 2006 So why not dark angel then? i can say they are of DA stock and have become barbarians so to become tech fans. it makes sense that the inq and all others dislike a DA barbarian chapter. does it? :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1039852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 'There are no known aberrations in the Dark Angels' gene-seed which makes the reluctance of the High Lords of Terra to utilise it in the founding of new Chapters perplexing.' (Index Astartes: Dark Angels) '...the High Lords of Terra [are reluctant] to sanction the use of Dark Angel's geneseed in the creation of new Chapters.' (Index Astartes: Relictors) Sure, there are other Dark Angels successors, but they're still quite rare. I don't see why they need DA geneseed. If you make them 'special' there, then it takes away from them being special elsewhere, and they just become too 'special' overall. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1039947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderhawk Posted June 26, 2006 Author Share Posted June 26, 2006 still in need of icon/badge -_- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1039962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderhawk Posted June 26, 2006 Author Share Posted June 26, 2006 seems its Ultramarines or White scars then. btw: do anybody know why it aint any Salamander successors? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1039998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-betrayer Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 I belive there weren't and 2nd founding Salamander successors because there orginal legion was already fairly small, so it was seen as detremental. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1040024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Sort of. There are no official Salamanders successors. That's simply because GW hasn't taken the time to flesh them out. It is known that there are no second-founding Salamanders successors - the legion was simply too small to divide after the heresy. But that won't have stopped them at any of the twenty-four subsequent foundings. GW has hinted that the Black Dragons and the Storm Giants are Salamanders successors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1040044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderhawk Posted June 27, 2006 Author Share Posted June 27, 2006 so, is it something that would stop me from taking them as parents? just wondering B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1040372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 I suppose if you wanted, you could be a Salamander successor chapter. I suppose it could be interesting to see some sort of altered promethian cult, where the chapter venerates 'the Salamander' as their father. With that said, though, the point still stands regarding genetic drama. The thing is, Thunderhawk, that Ferrata and I (among others) have put quite a bit of work into your idea and you don't seem to be meeting us half-way. We asked you questions - like 'Why don't you want your chapter to be descended from the Ultramarines?' - and you haven't answered us. We ned some insight of your mindset in order to help you. Is there something about Ultramarines gene-seed that you don't like? Some reason it shouldn't be Ultramarines gene-seed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1040377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderhawk Posted June 27, 2006 Author Share Posted June 27, 2006 its just that i dont like beeing a majority guy :) im sorry if i have not met you half way B) the thing is that i have decided that they shal be of white scar stock. and, as their parents, have brotherhoods instead of regiments/companies. you have all been a great help. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Information on: Revenants -gene seed: White Scars -homeworld: .......Certan Defh? -tactical doctrines: they use brotherhoods for organisation and use techmarines for commanders. The brother-hood organisatoin reminds of that of their parent chapter but also have been affected by their earlyer barbaric behavior (doom angels). they also have a unreasonable distrust to Psykers (why is not known, but they say its beacause the psykers are unreliable and unstable) . information may be slightly inaccurate......... Brotherhoods -serpents (scouts) -sons of death (favor the sword and eye to eye combat) -tempestus ( often have plasma weapons in squads) -Revealers (Chaplains cult) ------------transmission-faliure--------------- trait: scions of mars drawback: die standing comments? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1040381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 But would they still have brotherhoods and the like after the Mechanicus fixes them up? It strikes me that they'd leave a lot of their White Scars heritage behind in their new guise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1040402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderhawk Posted June 27, 2006 Author Share Posted June 27, 2006 But would they still have brotherhoods and the like after the Mechanicus fixes them up? It strikes me that they'd leave a lot of their White Scars heritage behind in their new guise. the brotherhood is a result of beeing both WS and their feral homeworld. the AM did not affect the organisation but had major impact on the Brotherhoods. ( you know the AM have cults too :blink: ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1040408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 Well, then I suppose the next stage is to summarise your ideas and put it all together in as much detail as you can, so that we can have a look. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1040412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderhawk Posted June 27, 2006 Author Share Posted June 27, 2006 Yup :D unfortunantly that wil take some time..............yeah, i wish could use the chaplain magic wand to make the fluff in an eyeblink.:blink: But when its finished it shall be good! i will not let you guys down! thanks to ya all anyway the badge is not yet finished. for an earlyer traitorguard project i thought of using a bloodmark of a hand for badge but thats not very tech like. the cog idea hm.......... not sure "Revenants" what looks like "Revenant"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1040416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine_Breaker Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 Revenants reminds me of something having to do with the undead. So you could do something like a skull, scythe, crossed bones, etc. Or you could just go with a stylized 'R'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1040656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 Some mentions of the Mentors suggest that they took on the uniform, heraldry and iconography of the chapter that preceeded them. Perhaps you could follow that and give them the same sort of heraldry and iconography that the 'Doom Angels' would have used. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1040694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 ooo a stylized "R" .. yeah man! That is easy to paint too!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1040710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderhawk Posted June 27, 2006 Author Share Posted June 27, 2006 did i hear someone say undead? "graaaaaargh" *transforms to Strigoi vampire :blush: undead (Vampire counts) was one of my first GW armys. i know i have a lot of skeleton sprues somehwere.................... il chek my coffin. i was right! i had a LOT of skeleton thingies. but any ideas of using it i lak :huh: .....hm........I guess i could order a decal sheet with one of the icons on the shield sprue Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90134-need-name/page/3/#findComment-1040878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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