retlaw83 Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 EDIT: UPDATED PICTURES ARE FARTHER DOWN I'm not going to get into the specifics of my army idea, but I've taken to occassionally running a loyalist marine list using Chaos models. So, I've reached the point in my life where I need a Chaos Land Speeder Tornado. I'd like to hear suggestions for improving it, but mainly I want to know about the heavy bolter turret. It's currently blue tacked to the main body, and I'd like to know if it's placement is good or not, and what people think of the ammo feed arcing over the gunner's head like it is (other than it being incredibly unrealistic to feed the weapon). Keep in mind that if I decide to install the turret in it's current location, I'm going to use putty around the underneath to make it more natural looking. This conversion uses the Tau Piranha kit, because I wanted something different than "Imperial land speeder with spikes" for my Chaos equivalent. The gatling gun thing is obviously the assault cannon. Much of the cosmetic stuff has yet to be done to it; I want to get the basic structure down before covering it in spikes and stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 Looking good so far. Maybe you could fill out the gaps in the wings where the drones sit or add a built in servitor to make it look a little more imperial/loyalist. The heavy bolter looks ok to me, just missing an ammo hopper for the feed. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1039248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starks333 Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 i donno, looks awkward with the rounded back, the heavy bolter being bigger than the assault cannon, and the fact its over his head, and the fact its not a bit more armoured it has potential if you fix those....you might consider mounting a heavy bolter(or two storm bolters) in the wings to kinda balance it and fill those gaps, easily be count as hevay bolter also i prefer a real assault cannon, more menacing and maybe move the wings a bit more forward Starks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1039258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkdung Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 Agreed, looks very awkward with the cupola. Cant you get the gun lower, or the marine up higher? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1039303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkbunny Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 looks more like an AA mount, make ammo come from the bottom and point it up higher and capitalize on that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1039389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
retlaw83 Posted June 25, 2006 Author Share Posted June 25, 2006 I've cut down the heavy bolter and put it on the front flat section above the assault cannon. It makes the whole thing much more streamlined. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1039406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy40k Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 Okay.. I'm all for making the body backwards.. but you have to turn the engines around too! -Legacy40k Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1039418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinohai Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 Okay.. I'm all for making the body backwards.. but you have to turn the engines around too! -Legacy40k why? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1039425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Djibril Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Firstly, the way you have the ammo feed set up the bolts would be coming in perpendicular to the direction that they need to be loaded. Having the ammo feed come out of the bottom would make much more sense. Secondly, the way the gunner is set up I can't imagine he would be able to see anything to shoot at. While the overall look is fine, it looks far too much like a Tau ship at this point. The Chaos Marines still use designs that look essentially Imperial. With that said, if you modify it a good bit, you may have something really cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1039467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy40k Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Okay.. I'm all for making the body backwards.. but you have to turn the engines around too! -Legacy40k why? because if the engines are on backwards.. it will fly backwards... in otherwords. as it is now, the marines on it are not facing the same direction that it would be moving. -Legacy40k Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1039474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJedi Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 How about having the front driver in a laying down forward motorcycle style of pose? (like the Dark Eldar Jetbikes) This would both let him be lower and take up more of the internal space he's in now. That way you could have the heavy bolter mounted lower too. I think with a little more work you can really have a cool looking Chaos speeder there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1039490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
retlaw83 Posted June 26, 2006 Author Share Posted June 26, 2006 I was considering lying him down, but the way he's standing looks so stoic and imposing. The heavy bolter is now on the front plate above the assault cannon, and has been cut down to look as if it's built into the vehicle. I've also made a lot of cosmetic changes to make it unmistakably a force of Chaos. I'll post update pics later when I have time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1039668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamez Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 The only things that I dont like about it is the fact that the engins are backwards, and it looks way too 'tau', for lack of a better word. perhaps imperium it up a bit, not sure how you could do that though, other than more angles, less curves etc... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1039673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carados Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 I'd like to hear suggestions for improving it, but mainly I want to know about the heavy bolter turret. It's currently blue tacked to the main body, and I'd like to know if it's placement is good or not, and what people think of the ammo feed arcing over the gunner's head like it is (other than it being incredibly unrealistic to feed the weapon). Keep in mind that if I decide to install the turret in it's current location, I'm going to use putty around the underneath to make it more natural looking. I think you should drop that idea, unless you can really make a massive improvement on it because I don't like it at all :lol: (though by all means keep it if you like it yourself). I would suggest you try and line the wings with several bolters or maybe a few larger bolters to represent the heavy bolter. Hmmm, just read that you changed the position... I still stand by my observations :blink: . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1039717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
retlaw83 Posted June 26, 2006 Author Share Posted June 26, 2006 All right, here's the progress so far. I'm thinking of adding a second Marine in the back with a pistol and close combat weapon, arm outstretched and firing the weapon behind the vehicle. As for the engines - say what? Everything made by humans in 40k that I've seen has small air intakes and huge exhaust ports at the back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1040068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obliterator Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 I'd put the cupola more to the rear, at the moment the front bit of the cupola comes from under the hull. IMHO it would also look better with the wing tips filled. The decorations make it look very chaosy, maybe get rid of the aguila on the marines chest and make it a Chaos vehicle? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1041880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Angelus Sanctus Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 I'd put the cupola more to the rear, at the moment the front bit of the cupola comes from under the hull. IMHO it would also look better with the wing tips filled. The decorations make it look very chaosy, maybe get rid of the aguila on the marines chest and make it a Chaos vehicle? Ahh, but that is intention Oblit ;) Im also pretty sure the chest section is minus the aquila already (cant tell for sure since the pic is a bit blurry). So its either a non-aquila based SM chest or its one of the CSM chests. This second version looks alot better than the first, so well done on the improvements :D. The current placement of the first crewman looks ok, although its hard to say atm without the second crewman, but i forsee it looking like a good setup. The only thing that i would like to suggest is altering the front slightly. Since the front part of the speeder has a very flat shape, id imagine it would throw the aerodynamics of the craft off. Perhaps a more slanted front hull and the HB can be integrated into the hull. Other than that, nice work :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1041933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamez Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 that second one looks MUCH better. congrats :D the engins are still backwards though... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1041934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncleharoldo Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Honestly, it looks horrible. It just looks like a tau vehicle that a couple of marines have hijacked, slapped on some spiky bits and decided to fly around backwards. It doesn't have any of the right shapes that are through out the whole marine range. If you looks at the marine vehicles, they all share some common elements, this vehicle doesn't. Basically it looks like it would have no chances in hell at flying. Everything is just off with it. The marine flying it looks like he has no legs and has just been bolted onto the vehicle, that is because you used the marine intended for hatches I suppose. There are two holes in the wings intended for drones, but there is nothing there. I think no matter what you do to this model, it will not look like a marine flyer. To be harsh, I would just scrap it or sent it to your bits box and leave the whole project down to experience. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1043003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
retlaw83 Posted June 30, 2006 Author Share Posted June 30, 2006 Thanks for the feedback on the improvements. I still maintain the engines are perfectly suited to the thing flying forwards, though. As for the chest, it's the loyalist one with the little skull in the middle and has no aquilla wings. I'm thinking of using plasticard and putty to slope the front more naturally, as it is off. This will give the added effect of the heavy bolter appearing to be built into the hull. It just looks like a tau vehicle that a couple of marines have hijacked, slapped on some spiky bits and decided to fly around backwards. It doesn't have any of the right shapes that are through out the whole marine range. If you looks at the marine vehicles, they all share some common elements, this vehicle doesn't. If I wanted a Space Marine land speeder with some spikes on it, don't you think I would have just bought a Space Marine land speeder and put some spikes on it? Basically it looks like it would have no chances in hell at flying. Everything is just off with it. The marine flying it looks like he has no legs and has just been bolted onto the vehicle, that is because you used the marine intended for hatches I suppose. There are two holes in the wings intended for drones, but there is nothing there.I'm surprised you noticed all of this but failed to notice that the model is yet to be completed, which is why I said that it's a work in progress. I think no matter what you do to this model, it will not look like a marine flyer. To be harsh, I would just scrap it or sent it to your bits box and leave the whole project down to experience. I refer you to the points about how it's not supposed to look like a standard marine land speeder, and the fact that this is still a work in progress. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1043013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhg033 Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 your second attempt is certainly a huge improvement. my 2p/cents/pesos worth i think you need to alter the gun barrels as with the heads on they look a little odd - take off the barrel completely and place the head flush up against the body of the weapon. as for the wings - you could try and make them look a bit thunderhawk like as it shouldn't be too hard to do and that'll certainly tie it back into being a marine vehicle. possible pull the wings back abit so that the front of them is flush with the intakes to make it look more fighter-ish Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1043031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
retlaw83 Posted June 30, 2006 Author Share Posted June 30, 2006 The suggestion about the wings is a really good one. I think it can best be achieved by flipping them so they're wider than they are long, and filing down all but the leading edge to make a flat surface. I'll have to think it over more. I agree that the HB is a little ridiculous looking, and plan to make the demon head flush with the barrel. I think the assault cannon is fine, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1043043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbo Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 The engines are on back wards, have a look here Click here Big intake little out, To give you a quick idea grab a funnel. Blow in the little end and feel the air push with your hand, then blow in the big end and feel the air push. Can you see that blowing in the little end gives more push? ~zbo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/90332-harpy-pattern-land-speeder/#findComment-1043239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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