IA: Warp Falcons WIP

[Ferrata]

You're forgetting that a chapter doesn't need to be anything like its gene-seed granter. My chapter have the Ultramarine gene-seed, and become combat-loving fast attack chaos worshippers, not because of their genetics but because of nature.

 

Silverstars - Successor of at very Jetpack oriented Chapter yet prefer Landspeeders to tanks for fire support (are there any Ultramarine successors they could be the successors of?).

A chapter which is based on a Desert world with massive plains, so they use jetpacks and speeders to move across the desert faster. A Chapter that needed to be in more places they it could possibly be so adapted a fast style of warfare.

 

Iron Eaters - Extreme dislike of heavy armour like tanks and landspeeders prefers Devastator squads. Has a preference for using stealth and cover to gain advantage (are there any Ultramarine successors they could be the successors of?).

A chapter where most of its tanks were destroyed in one of its major loses. Since then it has distrusted tanks. Small numbers forced them to go into hiding/use stealth tactics to survive.

 

Sons of Korhalis - I'd leave them as pure Ultra Successors if it not for the fact that all the UM Captains are named. They're the equivilent of a Codex Chapter that goes rogue and turns to Chaos Undivided (are there any Ultramarine successors they could be the successors of?).

Why is a drawback that all of the UM captains are named? Couldn't Korhalis be a planet the come from?

 

Lava Claws - Like flame based weapons, same traits as the Salamanders. I wouldn't mind shifting them to Ultramarine successors (well successors of their successors at least), though I don't know of any that are similar.

A chapter from a volcano world, where fire and lave rule the landscape. Taking these traits into their doctrine, they become fire lovers.

 

Warlords of Nyx - They are extraordinarily violent, their Chapter is split up into Hordes each which has it's own Scout and Terminator units (they don't supply one another like normal Chapters) the Horde with the most Territory on their Homeworld (Nyx) is consider the Grand Horde lead by the Chapter Master equivalent (Grand Warlord). Each Horde is led by a Warlord (Captain equivalent). They only recruit from Pitfighters (which 60% of their human population is forced into by the Chapter - the other 40% work as slaves providing supplies, food etc). Normally the Hordes will wage war upon one another in order to gain more territory (which results in more slaves, pitfighter recruits, Terminator armour etc). They hide their nature from the rest of the Imperium. Are there any viable crazy Ultramarine successors they could be successors of?

Just a chapter thats degenerated into pety infighting. Maybe their was a civil war (but not Chaos-Loyalist), and this turned into more than one horde. The only thing they hate more than each other is the enemy, so unite to fight the enemy but return to fighting each other when in peacce.

 

 

Steel Wolves - They have a preference for city fighting, they prefer to infiltrate the majority of their force under the covering fire of their Devastators Squads, Dreadnoughts and Tanks. Any Ultra successors they could succeed?

An early campaign based in a Hive World, this combat doctrine became entwinned within the chapter.

 

Golden Minotaurs - Are to be Salamander successors (they are larger than average Space Marines, it comes from the Salamander heritage + their world's gravity).

A chapter that comes from a High-Grav World.

 

Radioactives - I don't think would fit under Ultramarines seeing as they are extremely feral (and seeing as Space Wolf geneseed is off limits White Scars are all that's left).

A chapter that comes from a feral homeworld, the traits of the population have found their way into the chapter.

 

Void Talons - Use Black Templar rules yet in a more African Tribal manner (Chaplains as Witch Doctors etc) and recruit from a single world (although they are fleet based - they ship recruits from their Homeworld to the Chapter Keeps founded on other worlds until a "Tribe" (Crusade) comes and picks them up. Ultramarines don't seem to fit with them as would not the UM geneseed turn all their marines into Caucasians?

Nope, gene-seed does not effect skin colour. The original human keeps their skin colour.

 

Hounds of Cerberus - They guard a Warp Anomaly 30% of the time (three companies guarding their homeworld at all times, seeing as it blocks the best route out of the anomaly). I don't think they'd fit Ultramarine successors because of their barking habit (rather than communicating like normal people during battle they spend all their time barking and growling - which they can understand...).

Again, just a feral planet which traditions have passed over to the chapter. Maybe their homeworld respects dogs so highly that they believe they can talk to them via barking, something which the chapter has accepted.

 

See, genetics isn't everything. Anything can be explained with a simple reason, all of these I came up with in about 5 minutes, surely you can think of more.

[Heru]

See, genetics isn't everything. Anything can be explained with a simple reason, all of these I came up with in about 5 minutes, surely you can think of more.

 

Well I was going under the idea that these are young Chapters, while the 25th Foundlings have had a little time to dift from their predecessors, and so are a little more exotic. The 26th Foundlings would be more like their predecessors (as they're too young to have difted yet).

 

 

It's really all to do with the way I follow foundings.

 

1. High Lords pick a Chapter to create a successor.

 

2. Chapter Master picks a Captain and intial command structure for this new successor Chapter.

 

3. This intial Command structure becomes the permanent basing for the Chapter (meaning the Chapter is much more likely to follow their predecessor's lead until it has more individual experience).

 

 

 

What my previous post was asking (it wasn't making excuses...) was who would be the best predecessors for the Chapters listed as "Ones that can be changed/can be seen changed" following the idea from 3 above.

[Ferrata]

26th Founding 738M41 giving a Chapter 250 years to move on.

25th Founding probably happend around a 1000 years before that giving them 1250 years.

 

You could also just make up names for Chapters they come from, because there are 666 Ultramarine chapters, one will have the traits you want :lol: The Wolves of Veles trained my Wings of Death, being naturally barbaric they passed similiar traits onto the Wings.

[Archangelus]

As I said I'm now trying to really be open to suggestions and comments (would be nice to hear some good comments aswell though "oh I like your colour scheme" etc ;) )

 

Actually I DO like your colourscheme!

 

As far as the fluff is concerned, scientific explanations and Real World references do not necessarily have to apply always. I dare anyone to explain the Eye of Terror and the summoning of deamonic entities by using mathematics and newtonian physics :P

 

You want a dark sun in your system? I do not see why you cannot have one. Maybe it was not due to a missile fired to it, but due to foul magic weaved by traitorous Chaos filth! See? No explosion, no red dwarf, no super novas, just a nicely darkened sun.

 

I understand how realism can help the fluff and believe me, I agree with most things Ferrata and Molotov mentioned already, but sometimes minor points can distract away from the focus, which is the chapter itself. I had the same problem with my DIY based on an Archipelago planet with acidic seas and small islands. I made the mistake to add a tiny detail of a shark-type creature being the only thing that can survive in the waters. I got so much beating about the ecosystem that it was just better to scrap it altogether. To be honest it did not affect the rest of the fluff at all, anyway.

 

My point is that sometimes a cool idea may be irrelevant enough that is worth more to delete it than keeping it there for sentimental reasons.

 

And remember 40K is not science fiction is futuristic fantasy. There is a big difference there. It opens up a lot more possibilities.

 

 

Have fun!

[Heru]

Rather than make up even more Chapters (I'm trying to cut down damnit! :P ).... I think I'll stick with established Chapters or perhaps other peoples DIY's (if they don't mind).

 

 

Ones that can be changed/can be seen changed

 

Silverstars - Doom Eagles (Don't know much about the Doom Eagles, but I presume that they lean heavily toward Assault Squads seeing as most of the images I've seen of them are with Jetpacks).

 

Iron Eaters - Eagle Warriors (I've heard suggestions that the Eagle Warriors may perhaps be based/themed around Native American Indians, which is partly what the Iron Eaters are based around).

 

Sons of Korhalis - Well there is either the radical heritage ie Mortifactors or perhaps a more puritan heritage (perhaps a Chapter themed around the Roman Legions).

 

Lava Claws - Fire Lords (well seeing as I don't know anything about these guys it's kinda a stab in the dark, under the assumption that they're UM successors).

 

Warlords of Nyx - Hmm not a clue... any help?

 

Steel Wolves - Again not a clue.

 

 

 

Ones that can't be changed/I don't see being changable

 

 

Golden Minotaurs - I still like Salamanders for them...

 

Radioactives - While I could make them UM successors, I'd rather not...

 

Void Talons - Well would it not be better if these were perhaps Imperial Fist successors (seeing as the IF geneseed is the 2nd most used)?

 

Hounds of Cerberus - I think I'll keep them as Radioactives successors.

[Ferrata]

Void Talons - Well would it not be better if these were perhaps Imperial Fist successors (seeing as the IF geneseed is the 2nd most used)?

Sure.

 

Rather than make up even more Chapters (I'm trying to cut down damnit! )

Theres a difference between what I suggested and what you had done in the first place. While you had a large number of chapters all descendent from each other and all fighting in a similiar region of space, I suggested just using a name. I'll show you a little quote from my IA to show how much these chapters are

Many chapters were sent orders to send squads of veterans to teach the new chapters the art of warfare, one of these chapters were the Wolves of Veles. The Wolves being naturally barbaric past on similar traits to the new chapter, the Wings of Death. With these veterans guiding their way, the Wings set about taking back some of the systems that had been lost during the great Heresy.

Thats all the mentioning the Wolves of Veles get, nothing more. All *I* know about them is that they are called the Wolves of Veles and are naturally barbaric, and thats all I need. You could do a similar thing, just make up a name and leave it at that.

[Heru]

The updated list

 

 

 

25th

 

Predecessor (Geneseed Source) - Successor

 

Raven Guard - Silver Falcons

 

Titan Warriors (Salamanders) - Golden Minotaurs

 

Imperial Aggressors (Imperial Fists) - Void Talons

 

Marauders (White Scars) - Radioactives

 

Exodus (Ultramarines) - Sons of Korhalis,

 

Eagle Warriors (Ultramarines) - Iron Eaters

 

Doom Eagles (Ultramarines) - Silverstars

 

Fire Lords (Unknown suggested Ultramarines) - Lava Claws

 

 

26th

 

Silver Falcons/Warp Falcons (Raven Guard) - Falcon Brothers

 

Golden Minotaurs (Salamanders) - Minotaurs Immortal

 

Radioactives (White Scars) - Hounds of Cerberus

 

Astral Wolves (Ultramarines) - Steel Wolves

 

Soldiers of Stone (Ultramarines) - Warlords of Nyx

 

Angels Sanguine (Blood Angels) - Blood Hammers

Edited July 13, 2006 by Heru Talon

[Ferrata]

Gene-Seed wise your good. A couple of the names are a little bit shakey, but I know how hard it is to come up with good names. If you think of any good ones during your day I would suggest replacing the following:

 

Winter Warriors & The Botherhood should be changed first. I personally find something too nice about both of these names, they don't scare me :P

 

Imperial Aggressors. Aggressors just doesn't sound right, maybe something like an animal would work "Imperial Tigers"

 

I'm glad you have stuck with this project even I have thrown more bad comments at you then a little :)

[Wolffje]

I like the idea of a group of chapter's vaquely connected. I like the story behind the Silver Falcons. I don't see the name change as a problem. As long as the reasons are dire enough. What happens to the Silver Falcons qualifies as dire in my book.

 

The only thing I don't buy into sciencewise is the extremely rapid evolution for the flora and fauna on the planet. Perhaps it could be the case with extreme levels of radiation of some kind. But evolution changes tend to be slow and very gradual. Look at us humans for instance. We have had no major evolutionairy change for at least 40.000 years.

 

I can understand your dislike for Ultramarines. I am no fan of them myself. They are too perfect for my change. As a writer I prefer to write about chapters with a serious flaw. For me it makes for more interesting writing. I enjoy characters struggling with their very beings. It's what attracted me to the Blood Angels.

 

You mentioned making succesors of other people's DIY's. If you want you can make the Blood Hammers a succesor of my own chapter (The Angels of Fury, they are Blood Angels succesors). Send me a PM if you are interested.

Edited July 13, 2006 by Wolffje

[Heru]

Replaced Winter Warriors with Astral Wolves, and The Brotherhood with Soldiers of Stone.

 

 

The rapid evolution thing was removed from the fluff alittle while back Wolffje, instead the planet started as a Twilight World, and there are two breeds of Falcon (Silver, and Warp).

Edited July 13, 2006 by Heru Talon

[Ferrata]

I can understand your dislike for Ultramarines. I am no fan of them myself. They are too perfect for my change. As a writer I prefer to write about chapters with a serious flaw. For me it makes for more interesting writing. I enjoy characters struggling with their very beings. It's what attracted me to the Blood Angels.

A common misconception is that the Ultramarines do not have any flaws when they do. But that is a conversation for another topic and not one to take over this thread.

 

Replaced Winter Warriors with Astral Wolves, and The Brotherhood with Soldiers of Stone.

Better Names :P Not a total fan of Soldiers of Stone, but it is better than the Brotherhood.

[Heru]

Here's my lame attempt at a map showing all the systems in the region,

 

The Blue Dots are Space Marine Systems.

 

The Red Dots are Imperial Systems.

 

The White Dots outside the Nebula are either uninhabitated with planets systems or systems without notable Stellars (systems that contain only stuff like Asteroids, comets etc orbiting the system's star).

 

The White Dots in the Nebula are Quarantined Systems with information on them classified.

 

The White Dots in the Warp Anomely with ice blue text are Traitor/Daemon Systems.

 

The Purple stuff is the Nebula.

 

The Orange stuff is the Warp Anomely.

 

Here is the Region Map.

 

 

Here is a listing of the Systems and Major Stellars (planets) in them.

 

Space Marine Systems

 

01. Xeskis

 

Xeskis I

Xeskis II

Xeskis III

Xeskis IV

Xeskis V

Xeskis VI

Xeskis VII

 

 

02. Crete

 

Crete

Minos

Theseus

Ariadne

 

 

03. Curse

 

Curse

 

 

04. Jax

 

Jax

 

 

05. Nubia

 

Nubia

Kilimanjaro

 

 

06. Korhal

 

Korhal

Umoja

Moria

Tarsonis

Chau Sara

Mar Sara

 

 

07. Fulgor

 

Fulgor

Crematoria

Infernus

Cinder

 

 

08. Jago

 

Jago

Duran

Shakuras

 

 

09. Falcon's Refuge

 

Falcon's Refuge

Falcon's Eerie

 

 

10. Nyx

 

Nyx

 

 

11. Raliven

 

Raliven

Jagora

Kaylor

Megaduce

 

 

12. Cerberus

 

Cerberus

Hercules Minor

 

 

13. Thragnessa

 

Thragnessa

Bjorn

Guul

Rang

 

 

14. Minoa

 

Minoa

Daedalus Major

Icarus Minor

 

 

 

Non-Space Marine Systems

 

15. Lentria

 

Lentria Prime

Lentria Minor

Lentria Major

 

 

16. Sherak

 

Sherak

Tertullus

 

 

17. Vagria

 

Vagria

Corialis

 

 

18. Gothir

 

Gulgothir

Bodacus

Namib

New Gulgothir

Bel-azar

 

 

19. Panthia

 

Panthia I

Panthia II

Panthia III

Panthia IV

 

 

20. Angostin

 

Angostin I

Angostin II

Angostin III

Angostin IV

Angostin V

 

 

21. Tenra

 

Tenra I

Tenra II

Tenra III

 

 

22. Tantria

 

Tantria

Mellicane

 

 

23. Longoria

 

Longoria

Eva

 

 

24. Paladin

 

Paladin

 

 

25. Ptahian

 

Ptahian Major

Ptahian II

Ptahian III

Ptahian IV

 

 

26. Chiatze

 

Chiatze

Chien-Po

 

 

27, Ventria

 

Usa

Caphis

Capalis

 

 

28. Pelucid

 

Pelucid

 

 

29. Kydor

 

Kydor

Kuan Hador

 

 

30. Skathia

 

Skathia I

Skathia II

 

 

31. Kiatze

 

Kiatze

 

 

32. Naashan

 

Naashan

Perapolis

 

 

33. Ardokath

 

Karnagh

Wandyr

Gwahyr

 

 

34. Drenai

 

Diranan

Lentrum

Draspartha

Petar

Delnoch

 

 

 

Dead / Uninhabited Systems

 

35. Decado

 

Decado

 

 

36. Durmast

 

Durmast Minor

Durmast Major

 

 

37. Warmachine

 

Warmachine

 

 

38. Skilgannon

 

Skilgannon

Night

Day

 

 

39. Druss

 

Druss

Snaga

 

 

 

Quarantine Systems

 

40. Naguil

 

Naguil I

Naguil II

Naguil III

 

 

41. Zayil

 

Zayil I

Zayil II

 

 

42. Delimar

 

Delimar I

Delimar II

Delimar III

Delimar IV

Delimar V

 

 

43. Kelnak

 

Kelnak I

Kelnak II

Kelnak III

 

 

 

Warp Anomaly Engulfed Systems

 

44. Exodus

 

Exodus

 

 

45. Zakith

 

Zakith I

Zakith II

Zakith III

Zaktih IV

Zakith V

Zakith VI

Zakith VII

Zakith VIII

Zakith IX

Zakith X

Zakith XI

Zakith XII

Zakith XIII

 

 

46. Homell

 

Homell

 

 

47. Renaria

 

Renaria Minor

Renaria Major

 

 

48. Hades

 

Hades

 

 

 

Systems in Region without Major Stellars

 

49. Omega IX/04

50. Omega IX/05

51. Omega IX/06

52. Omega IX/07

53. Omega IX/08

54. Omega IX/09

55. Omega IX/10

56. Omega IX/11

57. Omega IX/12

58. Omega IX/13

59. Omega IX/14

 

 

 

Region Central System

 

60. Nexus

 

Nexus

[Heru]

New Update

 

 

Radioactives now know as the White Dragons.

 

Now I know this is my Warp Falcons IA thread but oh well they are linked...

 

The White Dragons

 

A: Chapter Name

04. White Dragons

 

 

B: Advantages

04. Take the Fight to Them & No Mercy No Respite

 

 

C: Disadvantages

04. Flesh over Steel

 

 

D: Colors

04. White Helmet, Shoulder Pad Trims, Gloves, Boots, Elbow pads, knee pads and chest eagle. Rest of the armour is Black. Sergeants have a Red stripe down the middle of their helmets, Vet Sergeants have Red helmets (unless they are in a Vet Squad or Termie squad, in which case it's a Silver helmet with a Red stripe), veterans have Silver helmets, and Captains have Gold helmets. Models left knee pad donates company colour.

 

 

E: Chapter Master.

04. Chapter Master Karam

 

 

F: Geneseed source (ie successor of)

04. White Scars

 

 

G: Home World

04. Curse = Ancient Alien Weapon Testing World aka Radiation Death World.

 

 

H: Interesting Facts.

04. i) Many ages past an unknown Alien race used the now White Dragons Home World as a weapons testing site, the world is covered in areas of extreme radiation, weapon test left overs and mutated animal and planetlife. The humans who now live on the planet are a hardy people who crash landed during a Warp Storm whilst on route to colonize another planet, and suffer greatly from their environment. It is from the strongest of these people that the White Dragons recruit their members.

 

 

I: Armour Colour Scheme Pictures

04. Soon

 

 

J: Chapter Symbol

04. A White Dragon similar to the Black Dragon symbol but with alterations, with a black background (may change).

[Ferrata]

Heru, if you would take my advice, I would suggest looking at this information you have presented us and reorganise it. Make it more user friendly and we can get back to helping, at the moment the information is a little fragmented. Just some friendly advice

[Heru]

Heru, if you would take my advice, I would suggest looking at this information you have presented us and reorganise it. Make it more user friendly and we can get back to helping, at the moment the information is a little fragmented. Just some friendly advice

 

 

 

 

Ok I'm having trouble reorganizing and expanding on my Warp Falcon details (I'm trying to make an IA article for them).

 

 

 

What I should have said for the last bit was "I'm trying to make an IA article for them but I'm no good at it"

[Ferrata]

Heru, if you would take my advice, I would suggest looking at this information you have presented us and reorganize it. Make it more user friendly and we can get back to helping, at the moment the information is a little fragmented. Just some friendly advice

Ok I'm having trouble reorganizing and expanding on my Warp Falcon details (I'm trying to make an IA article for them).

What I should have said for the last bit was "I'm trying to make an IA article for them but I'm no good at it"

 

You can't expect me to remember the first page of this thread can you :) To help you organise your IA better, just try this simple thing. Take all the information you have and place it under these area's where it fits best:

 

Origins

History

Home World

Combat Doctrine

Organisation

Beliefs

Gene-Seed

 

Once you have all the information in these area's, you can start making the facts to flow. I would suggest you leave the Successors out of this unless they have a direct effect on the Falcons.

[Heru]

Ok well I try (and probably fail badly) with that Ferrata, after this last non-orginized post...

 

 

 

Updated the system map to this: Star Map of Doom

 

 

As anyone who can be bothered to read this can see it's much bigger and better than the previous one.

 

 

Orange blob = Warp Anomely affected areas.

 

Purple haze = Nebula.

 

Red Dots = Imperial Systems.

 

Blue Dots = Space Marine Systems.

 

White Dots = Uninhabitated/unihabitable Systems.

 

Dark Green dots = Ork Held Systems (if any body has Orks and would like those systems as part of their Ork Empire say so).

 

Light Green dots = The Sebeki Xenos Empire systems (Wargods of Aegytus in space baby!!)

 

Light blue dots not in the Anomely = The Tethru Xenos Empire systems

 

Dark Purple dots = The Anubi Xenos Empire systems

 

Pink Dots = The Basti Xenos Empire systems

 

Grey dots in the bottom right corner = The To-tanem Xenos Empire systems

 

Brown Dots = The Typhon Xenos Empire systems

 

Orange Dots = The Khemru Xenos Empire systems

 

White Dots with ?'s in them = Unknown/quaratined systems

 

Yellow Dot = Eldar Craftworld

 

Light Blue Dots in the Anomely = Traitor/Warp affected worlds

 

Black Dot = Daemon World

 

 

 

 

As most can see there is allot of space, so if anyone would like to have their Space Marine/Imperial Guard homeworld located on this map just say so. Where exactly in the Galaxy this area is going to be is yet to be decided (suggestions wanted).