maverike_prime Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 Greetings to one and all. I recently finished reading Dead Sky, Black Sun (Fantastic book BTW, highly recommend it). Without giving anything away to anyone who hasn't read the book yet, there's a scene where Ventris and Pasanius are traveling in a Deamon train as it passes through various demensions and have a glance of vairous "what if" scenarios. And the got my most twisted mind working and I came up with the idea of doing a "What if" army. Basically, the idea is this: The Ultra Marines lead the Hearasy (Guilman's Herasy?) instead of the Luna Wolves and thusly the likes of the Ultramarines, Space Wolves, BLood Angles turned to Chaos while the Luna Wolves remained loyal. And now the powers of Chaos have reached through the dimensions and pulled members of those fallen Leagions into this demension. So Now that I've probably thoroughly bored you all, I'll get to the conversion questions I've throwing around. 1) I want to make a Daemon Prine of Marneus Calgar, and I want to make it Reconizable enough that if I put it down on a table across from an Ultramarine Player, the first thing they say is "What the heck is that? Is that Calgar?" And here's my idea for it. Taking the legs from the Deamon prince, and building up the muscalature of the legs to resemble the legs of the Calgar Miniature. For the upper body, I'm kinda at a loss of how to do it. Right now, I'm thinking of taking the upper body from the Hive tyrant, shaving down the front of the chest and attaching the front portion of the deamon prince cheast and fill in the spaces with green stuff and fill in details as needed. With the arms, I'm thinking of using two of the left forarms of the daemon prince, the one with the big barrel on he back of the arm, and cut out the for arm so I can attach it to the right arm as well. Then using plastic card I can build the bolter ammo feeds that would run from the gun (kia guns?) to the back section. For the head, I'm thinking of using the Artimas head, from Inquisitor, attaching the horns from the Blood Thirster, and building on the bionics to the face. I'm still toying with the idea of doing some sort of cape out of green stuff or something. What do you all think? So now, here's my question: What do you all think of this idea? And more to the point, do you all see any problem with my plans for the conversion of Calgar? Also suggestions for other conversion for the army are welcome and compleatly encouraged. THanks in advance to all for any help/suggestions/info. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
havok100 Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 sounds like a cool idea. I would stick with 2 massive powerfists as his weapons though. maybe use sone of the inquistor big stuff, like Witch Hunter Tyrus's powerfist? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1049301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane30 Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 Another thing you could try is using the inquisitor scale marine and bulk him up like crazy. One thing that I think sets apart calgar from other captain is that he's enourmous. Another Suggestion I could give you is make sure to give him the square military haircut. Finnally just give him a nice strong color scheme. Often just that can make a model stand out as to what army it belongs too. -Your Randomly Numbered Psychotic Friend. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1049358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimreapa Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 Here's an idea, I love this - forgive me for loving my own idea use inq scale powerfists (or krieger krash's power claws) on the daemon prince model - either nurgle or the normal one... Paint the armour with hints of blue. Then, green stuff some white hair, and make a bionic eye for him - perfect! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1049372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rau le Creuset Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 I don't think Artemis is a good idea. No matter what you do with him, he still staysy and looks like a miniature from Inquisitor. The deamonprince is a better start I think. Then use the powerfist from Tyrus and the head from Artemis. (or krieger krash's power claws) Please not, every second conversion out there uses either Ork power claws or the ones from Krieger Krash. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1049396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwave Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 not to be nit picky with the fluff and what not, but the gauntlets that Calgar wears was won from Guilliman from a chaos leader he killed in combat. It might work with fluff that its just a rival group, but best stick with white cropped hair with bionic left eye, striking a stance like the origional non terminator armored one. I consider this heresy, but regardless I will look forward to seeing your final results! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1049419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ursidae Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 I love the idea, but why would you have to use a hive tyrant upper body? And just a fluff question but... if Guilleman lead the heresy then wouldn't it be him who would be the DP, which would kind of leave Calgar out of the picture altogether? Anyways, I agree that the paintjob will be what really tips your opponent off that it is a UM heresy army. good luck and keep us posted. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1049523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverike_prime Posted July 9, 2006 Author Share Posted July 9, 2006 I love the idea, but why would you have to use a hive tyrant upper body? And just a fluff question but... if Guilleman lead the heresy then wouldn't it be him who would be the DP, which would kind of leave Calgar out of the picture altogether? Anyways, I agree that the paintjob will be what really tips your opponent off that it is a UM heresy army. good luck and keep us posted. :P the main reason I was thinking of using the Hive tyrants torso is because of how high up it comes relative to the head. THe head of the model doesn't sit on a pair of shoulder. It sits in a section of armor. I want to be able to draw comparisions between the conversion and the current Calgar model. Since the current calgar model is in Termie armor, I wanted something that could resemble heavily deamonized terminator armor with the big hump of machinery and workings in the back that actually sits behind the wearers shoulders and head. And while I had thought of doing a Guilimen Deamon Prince, I figured if Gulimen had lead the herasy he would have followed the same path as the other fallen primarch and become a deamon ruler of a world. When was the last time we saw Magnus the red? Actually if memory serves the only fallen primarch I can think of having actually taken part in battles are Angeron, at the first war for armegeddon, and Fulgrim when he wounded Guilimen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1049541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemFX Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 As an Ultramarine player I'd like to say it's an interesting thought. Now, for the helping part.. Get Marneus's arms. Cut them up a bit so that you have the boltergloves and shoulder pads. Cut the hands themselves open. Get whatever daemonform you want, and give it the shoulderpads, cut the arms just under the elbows and add the gloves, put claws coming out (bursting out) of the Gauntlets of Ultramar. Use the rest of his armour sparingly, like he just transformed, but hasn't rid himself of everything yet. .. Then take pictures for us ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1049702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodthirster90 Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 and add to the above idea some of the armour pieces lying on the base Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1049815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ursidae Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 Get Marneus's arms. Cut them up a bit so that you have the boltergloves and shoulder pads. Cut the hands themselves open. Get whatever daemonform you want, and give it the shoulderpads, cut the arms just under the elbows and add the gloves, put claws coming out (bursting out) of the Gauntlets of Ultramar. Use the rest of his armour sparingly, like he just transformed, but hasn't rid himself of everything yet. I like your ideas there! it would give the whole scene a story and add a dynamic aspect at the same time. @ maverike_prime I get what you're saying. :ph34r: It sounds like it'll be an amazing model, can't wait to see the finished product. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1049822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varath- Lord Impaler Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Hmm i'd say keep the bolters, keep the powerfists, chaosify them and in the rules give him a kai gun, Stature, furious charge, great weapon, strength and boom! S8 on the charge (like a powerfist) at I6 People wont say "Thats Marneus!" unless he has the duel powerfist bolters Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1050064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidKits Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Hmmm.. very interesting. I like this idea muchly it would work. though I have to ask... didn't Horus die in the heresy... so if that was true wouldn't Gulliman be the one who struck down the Emperor and in return was run through? my only thoughts to making this work for the two bolters. is take a pair of land raider heavy bolters to attach to the bottom of his arms. and use the chain belts on them get more then one and hack them if you need with some green stuff to make them run up into say some sort of pack like item on his back. that would make people notice more that he looks like Calgar. just a thought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1050135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlteriusMotive Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 yeah definetly make or sculpt power fists. Also add a cape and the eagles of a calgar and some icons of the model. Maybe keep the head on it or something, by putting it one with like bulging flesh or something around it. But definetly add um emblems on the helms and varius parts. Bu keep his guns on the fists defenetly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1050165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane30 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Another idea I just hit upon was a sort of "substitution" method. Just take a look at the calgar model and replace each piece of imperial iconography with chaos iconography. The eagle on his shoulder pad could be replaced with a batwinged demon. Rather than an iron halo behind the UM symbol add a chaos star. A sort of creepy idea I came upon was keep the cloak but make it look like it was stiched together from human skin. -Your Randomly Numbered Psychotic Friend Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1052052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverike_prime Posted July 21, 2006 Author Share Posted July 21, 2006 I think what I'm going to do is make 2 models. One will be a converted terminator for in game stuff. Give him a Kia Gun, Power fist, Deamon Strength, terminator armor, deamon rune and essence. THat'll be the alt-world Calgar for in game work. Then the second model I make will be inq scale and it'll be a duel set. I'll build an abaddon figure who's on the ground on his back with Calgar's boot on his cheast and Abaddon's head having been freshly ripped from the body and in Calgar's hand. So basically, Abaddon called forth this alt-world Calgar to lead in his 14th black crusade. BUt Calgar, wanted more and so over threw and killed Abaddon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1059991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Great stuff and all, but the parallels are kinda off in some places: *Horus fought The Emperor and died. *So we assume Gulliman fought The Emperor and died. *Abaddon, being Horus's second in command, claimed control and the Warmaster's Talon for his own. *Here's where we meet the first problem. Calgar was not Gulliman's second in command. Calgar wasn't even a Scout. Calgar was in fact over 9,600 years away from even being BORN (Cassius is the oldest Ultramarine, and he's only 400). So now we'll have to assume someone took Abaddon's place and claimed Guilliman's gauntlets, but he wasn't quite as powerful as Abaddon and died along the way. Thus the Gauntlets of Ultramar would've been passed down through the succession of "Legion Masters", right? That is of course just a fluff snag and should in no way interfere with the creation of your blasphemous monstrosity. Model-wise, make him BIG. Marneus is freakin HUGE even for a big Marine. He's like 120% the normal size of the biggest Marines due to insane bionics. So, GIVE HIM INSANE BIONICS. Don't forget the BIONIC EYE(left eye). Don't forget his military HAIR. Just as you wouldn't want to forget Abaddon's topknot. Definitly give him his CAPE. And don't let the master of the walking shrines be without a ton of ICONOGRAPHY. And of course this should go without saying, but give him the GAUNTLETS OF ULTRAMAR. Don't forget THE SWORD OF GUILLIMAN (that silly piece of costume jewelry that has no rules is very important fluff-wise) If you include all or a majority of these things, most anyone should recognize him right off the bat as Marneus Augustus Calgar, The Dispoiler and Warmaster of Chaos Undivided. :wacko: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1060681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psychoplatypus Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Model-wise, make him BIG. Marneus is freakin HUGE even for a big Marine. He's like 120% the normal size of the biggest Marines due to insane bionics. I dunno...daemon princes don't have to be gargantuan, only mounted on a 40mm base. Maybe use the existing Calgar model and "beautify" it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1060716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 That's not what I meant. As an IMPERIAL Marine he's already that big because he's got bionics out the wazoo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1061048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Decaln Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Emperor's Champion's right. Even next to another terminator he looks obesse. Hes masive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1061588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquilla Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Now that would be cool, having Lord Macragge as a DP. Perhaps it could be linked to the origins of his gauntlets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1061644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverike_prime Posted July 23, 2006 Author Share Posted July 23, 2006 Great stuff and all, but the parallels are kinda off in some places:*Horus fought The Emperor and died. *So we assume Gulliman fought The Emperor and died. *Abaddon, being Horus's second in command, claimed control and the Warmaster's Talon for his own. *Here's where we meet the first problem. Calgar was not Gulliman's second in command. Calgar wasn't even a Scout. Calgar was in fact over 9,600 years away from even being BORN (Cassius is the oldest Ultramarine, and he's only 400). So now we'll have to assume someone took Abaddon's place and claimed Guilliman's gauntlets, but he wasn't quite as powerful as Abaddon and died along the way. Thus the Gauntlets of Ultramar would've been passed down through the succession of "Legion Masters", right? I'm well aware that Calgar wasn't a part of the chapter, sorry legion, durin the herasy. In truth I never thought it out far enough to really justify why Calgar would be the one (beyond calgar is the Imperial Equivalent of Abbadon that is) and in truth the only justification for it is the beleif that no matter what the reality or the circumstances involved, those that have become great and noted would always become great. Ya know? kinda like even if Calgar never became space marine he would have become a noted ruler of Ultramar or whatever. I'm gonna try and lay out how Calgar would have come to a place of power with in the Cursed-ultramarines, it's just enough of a point to say he did. I'm actually considering doing a Chaos Undivided army that's more or less based around this alternate universe idea. Here's my thoughts so far: The Blood angles remained loyal to the Emperor right up until Sanguinies was slain (By Guillimen?). The black rage basically engulfed the entire legion and drove them all mad. When the initial shock of it wore down, the Blood angles were absolutly astounded at the destruction they had wrought, but were unable to fend off the attacks and pursecutions of the Inquisition and their earst-while space marine brothers. Left with no other choise, The blood angles were forced to retreat to the Eye of terror and ultimatly fell into the ranks of the World Eaters (I just can't figure any justification for the World eaters to remain loyal, the whole Emperor kidnapping Angeron and all) The Space wolves, instead of going after the Thousands for betraying the Emperor, split over the issue. Roughly half the legion sided with Russ agianst the Thousand sons while the other half sided with Magnus (They supported Magnus Use of magics and scorcery for the betterment of the Imperium) The Russ-loyal Wolves hating their treacherous breathern more for betraying them, then Magnus for disobeying the Mandates, went on a hunting spree to hunt down the other half of their legion. The Thousand sons gave cover to their allied space wolves but were ultimatly overwhelmed and destroyed. Only a hand full of Thousand sons escaped with the retreating Space Wolves. The Damned Wolves (the ones that betrayed russ) and the surviving thousand sons retreated into the eye and ultimatly gained the patronage of Slaneesh (Space wolves with Combat drugs?!?!?! lead by scorcers!!!) The Iron Hands reamined loyal until after the herasy. With the loss of Manus their hatred for weakness in all forms grew to unheard of levels. When Nurgle approached them and offered them strength enough to find their lost primarch, they quickly agreed. That's my over all idea for the army. Ideas on them now? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1061684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop_DH Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 well id love to see this thing put into existience....as for the whole parralel universe...im getting the idea that your using more the idea that there are an infinent and numberles universes with subtle or large changes...so you can come up with any story line you want to and not need to back it up much... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1061965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus the red Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 sory to burst the bubble but you know that the word bearers and erebus targeted the warmaster as they knew they could use his pride to overcome him. Also do you think the thousands sons, the supreme socerers would worship slaneesh. Also space wolves would be more likely to worship Khorne Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1062005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smith Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 I thought Thousand sons were Tzeentch? :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/91256-marneus-calgar-the-deamon-prince/#findComment-1062487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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