Modeling BP & CCW

[Straxus]

I've decided to take "Take the Fight to Them" for fluff and tactical reasons. I'm used to modeling the same old "marine with bolter", but "bolt pistol & CCW" leaves a lot of room for variation. I'd like to know if the following ideas are acceptable WYSIWYG representation.

 

Forgive me if some of these are newbie questions, but I'm still new to some areas of the hobby, and my search-fu didn't turn up any clear list of acceptable conversions.

 

Obviously, bolt pistol & chainsword and bolt pistol & combat knife should work fine. The model just stands there with a sword/knife and a pistol. How clear is that?! :lol:

 

The other possibilities I'd like some yes/no/maybe answers on, please. I'm trying to stretch my bits box as far as possible

 

1) bolt pistol (x2) a.k.a. "The Harvey Keitel"

2) CCW & holstered bolt pistol (with model pointing, fist in air, etc...)

3) bolt pistol & sheathed sword/knife (with model pointing, fist in air, etc...)

4) bolt pistol & sword (powersword painted so as to represent a normal sword)

5) bolt pistol & axe (poweraxe painted so as to represent a normal axe)

 

I'm pretty pumped up over the variety of models possible in just a single squad, but I'd like to avoid arguments over what's accurately modeled. Some of these may be obvious to you, but I've only got ~12 full-blown games (other than with known friends) under my belt, and I don't know what "shop-standard" is always expected to be.

[-Q-]

Those are all great ideas and are perfectly legal in a gameplay respect.

 

So get to work and then post up some WIPs!! :lol:

[Aarhus]

See if you can nab some Fantasy spears off someone.

 

Nothing says Badass with a capital 'B' than a sidearm and a big freaking spear!

 

 

Barring that, why not 'improvised CCWs'?

 

A club or piece of rubble picked up off the ground? A nail-bat (because nail-bats are freaking cool). Part of a lampost (if you bought a Cities of Death building, there should be more than enough of these left over), fantasy Axes.

 

Just let your mind wander and have fun!

 

 

Cheers,

Lawrence.

[ixupi]

This inspires me to make some Half-life based, Gordan Freeman, crowbar weilding SM's. :lol:

[Straxus]

Barring that, why not 'improvised CCWs'?

 

I've got a ton of sharp bitz from my original box set which included eldar. I'd never play the filthy xenos, 'cause I don't care for space elves. :lol:

 

However, my (obviously divergent) chapter might make use of some weapons seized from their enemies, and it might make for some interesting models (in moderation).

 

Thoughts?

[Beornling 3.1415]

This inspires me to make some Half-life based, Gordan Freeman, crowbar weilding SM's. :lol:

 

 

don't forget the ever present SHOVEL for those city fights, also (I usually get them from german military minis)

 

Hatchets, kukri knives

 

generic "Sword Floss" strung between two hands with a holstered Bolt pistol makes an excellent garrotte

 

sword floss hodling bar can be modified to make a tonfa (police style club)

 

 

oh and tell the hivefleets what yo really thing of such xenos abonimations, stealer claws, and gaunt claws with a greenstuffed hilt make a definate statement.

[SigmundMan]

Everytime I see an axe or sword I tend to think its a power weapon enless its a chainaxe/sword. BUT a whole unit of them would definitely be clear. I would recommend every weapon from the undead/zombie line, if you have any since it sounded like you were salvaging from your collection not buying. Oh and shaving off the little wires on power weapons and making them look less 'baroque' would get the message across I think.

 

Good luck and yes post pictures, CCW conversions are some of my favorites.

[rat of vengence]

Sounds good mate. Just trim those ex-power weapons as suggested above and make sure they are painted plain steel, and any real power weapons have a nice glowy effect so they stand out as being different.

 

It might be the old Blood Angel coming out in me, but I have always wanted to do a marine clubbing an ork to death with his own severed arm... :ph34r:

 

RoV

[Straxus]

Everytime I see an axe or sword I tend to think its a power weapon enless its a chainaxe/sword. BUT a whole unit of them would definitely be clear. I would recommend every weapon from the undead/zombie line, if you have any since it sounded like you were salvaging from your collection not buying. Oh and shaving off the little wires on power weapons and making them look less 'baroque' would get the message across I think.

 

Good luck and yes post pictures, CCW conversions are some of my favorites.

 

My "non-power" weapons tend to be basic black, much like current RL military versions (K-Bar knives, for example). My powerfists are done in a somewhat-elaborate black-red-gold theme that identifies them as the badge of authority they tend to be. For true power-weapons (of which I have very few, as yet), I'm experimenting with a black base, grey drybrush, and green/gold highlight. The last step is delicate, to imply a little bit of extra "oomph", and it's the step I'm working on...

 

(EDIT TO ADD)

 

...because it just doesn't look the way I want, yet. I read a WD article, where this guy had painted powerweapons that just looked alive with crackles of energy. I'm going for more of a glow about the edges, because I can't fine-detail little lightening bolts. I'm getting close...

[Darkuwa]

Fankly, with a space marine, his fist that is the size of a mans head and sheathed in ceramite, should really be able to count as a close combat weapon.

[SigmundMan]

uuuuu man, a marine doing fistycuffs, it'd be an excedingly hard, yet exceptionally rewarding conversion..

[Daedalin]

My suggestion is to take a bunch of leftover sprue, and go nuts ^^

 

My commander has a giant cleaver carved from the Macragge terrain sprue. Another option is to look at fancying up some of those standard chainswords. Dark Eldar arm-blade bits look rather nasty. Maybe extend a chainsword into a chain-greatsword, and make the marine wield it two handed, boltpistol at his belt. Fashion a katar from sprue, and make him look like he's pulling back for a punch.

 

Just two cents from a newbie here ^^;

 

*yay first post after much lurking!*

[st.germaine]

If you've got access to some of the old marine hand weapon sprues, you have lots of choices. I personally use a number of hand flamers to indicate the CCW. Even the laspistol or autopistol could be used to indicate a CCW. The previous suggestions are all viable as well.

[Chaoswolf]

All of the above suggestions are excellent. My CSM's are armed with a huge variety of CCW's, including empire greatswords, dark elf spear heads, and catachan machete/knives. I'd say that anything that looks like you're about to bash/stab/poke the other guy makes a good CCW. Just make sure that when they're painted up, your opponent can visually see the difference, and you're all set.

[Beornling 3.1415]

Sounds good mate. Just trim those ex-power weapons as suggested above and make sure they are painted plain steel, and any real power weapons have a nice glowy effect so they stand out as being different.

 

It might be the old Blood Angel coming out in me, but I have always wanted to do a marine clubbing an ork to death with his own severed arm... :)

 

RoV

 

 

yes, and it count's double if the battle brother is named Beowulf, and is using the limb of some monstrosity from Hive Fleet Grendel.....

[Hertz]

This is a serious attempt at threadomancy :D

 

I do want to know what people would think of adding, not only axes and (non chain-) swords to an assault squad, but also giving every guy a personal mix of things, like sword and shield to one guy, while another get two axes, a third get two swords, a third a bad ass pistol and perhaps a whip, a fourth one of the new" pistol&shield in one hand", and axe in the other. and the vet serg. getting perhaps lightning claws?

 

would it be passable as an ordinary assaultsquad, counting as Bp&Ccw, or would unconvential stuff like shields and whips mess things up? or can I count on everybody knowing the options for marines good enough, and recognising an assault squad for what it is? if the vet serg (the only one that could have different stuff) are clearly marked and WYSISWYG?

[Barret]

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[warwizard_99]

With my Blood Angels, I have assault squads with Bolters, but on their hips, they have the pistol holster or they have the Chaos 'hip pack' showing a BP/CCW. That way, even though the model is armed with a Bolter, it does have a BP/CCW.

[Seleucus]

This is a serious attempt at threadomancy :)

 

I do want to know what people would think of adding, not only axes and (non chain-) swords to an assault squad, but also giving every guy a personal mix of things, like sword and shield to one guy, while another get two axes, a third get two swords, a third a bad ass pistol and perhaps a whip, a fourth one of the new" pistol&shield in one hand", and axe in the other. and the vet serg. getting perhaps lightning claws?

 

would it be passable as an ordinary assaultsquad, counting as Bp&Ccw, or would unconvential stuff like shields and whips mess things up? or can I count on everybody knowing the options for marines good enough, and recognising an assault squad for what it is? if the vet serg (the only one that could have different stuff) are clearly marked and WYSISWYG?

 

I would forget the shields, except the "pistol & shield in one hand", which is a 'combat shield and can be bought from the armoury for your vet sgt only. Buying him lightening claws starts to make this unit far too expensive - you have had to pay to make him a vet already. Shields may well confuse people, unless you put one on all of them, and confirm to your opponent that they are fluff only. If you do this and decide to give your Vet Sgt the combat shield, make sure it looks different to the others - even if it is just some wires,

 

No problem with a whip, after all, it is a CCW, or a guy with two axes etc, but stick a holster on him.

 

Seleucus

[Daedalin]

I've noticed that there's a fair amount of good CCWs on Chaos sprues since my roommate started his Chaos army. My personal favorite is the chainsword where the chain goes all the way around, looks much more deadly. Just remember, if you're loyalist, to hunt down and file/shave off any chaos iconography.

 

Also, a Dark Eldar Splinter Rifle, with the stock/grip and bayonette cut off makes a pretty nice sheathed shortsword, though it may be a bit too twiggy looking for power armor.

[MeatGrinder]

anyone who read Horus Rising should know that a giant spider claw is a great CCW! A genestealer claw would be pretty cool!!

[Hertz]

so as long as it is a, de facto, close combat weapon, its ok, but when it comes to shield, caution are in order?