Hyperion Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I've got round to trying out my idea for LR dozer blades using the 'new' IG vehicle sprue. I haven't seen many LRs with dozer blades, and I don't remember seeing this done anywhere before (the Golden Daemon winner used the old dozer blades) - but that's not to say it hasn't. I'd be interested to know if anyone has already done this, and general opinions. ++EDIT++ See post 21 for new pics. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mentors Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 i think this looks really nice, i would try and get some sort of support for the ramp side of the blade though. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1058493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellChyld Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 will the center blade fold down when the ramp is deployed? looking good so far Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1058510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundamfan Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Hey, that looks really nice! I do agree that you need support on the ramp side, looks like it would collapse inward while the LR is driving. I have an idea, but it's complex. Have the whole dozer blade, over the ramp and everything, but have the middle part fold outward when the ramp opens. Kinda like this: _\----/_ (Ignore the hyphens, those are for formatting purposes) Iono, if you have the resources and craftiness, it might be worth a try to depict that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1058543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion Posted July 19, 2006 Author Share Posted July 19, 2006 I should have mentioned that the idea is for one of these on each side, with no dozer blade in the middle. I think the dozer blades are only required to protect the tracks, which lets the ramp drop unimpeded (like the GD winner). Because the blades are fairly short, to me it looks like a single set of pistons per blade is enough, but the consensus so far is that it should have extra support. The great thing is that at the moment it only uses the standard dozer blade, and I don't want anything too extravagant. Do you reckon that running a length of sprue diagonally behind the blade would look suitably reinforced? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1058547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladai Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I agree that it needs more support, but otherwise it looks brilliant. Diagonal would work, but ideally there should be a support straight back between the door and wheel well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1058649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penitent Dreadnought Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I should have mentioned that the idea is for one of these on each side, with no dozer blade in the middle. I think the dozer blades are only required to protect the tracks, which lets the ramp drop unimpeded (like the GD winner). That Land Raider will still be stopped by a few sturdy trees; it needs a dozer blade in the middle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1058671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion Posted July 19, 2006 Author Share Posted July 19, 2006 Hmm, I'm stuck! The reasons I originally wanted dozer blades in front of only the tracks were: 1) the Land Raider is huge and well armoured, so not much will stop it (including trees! ^_^ ) but the rules mention throwing a track, which is a weak point; 2) the assault ramp needs to be clear; and 3) it needed to be relatively simple and not totally alter the front of the LR. It now looks like this: I've added an extra piston to adjust the angle of the blade: Unfortunately, the new pistons look rather weedy in these pics (they look better real than in the pics - often the way!) but my massive bits box has spectacularly failed to provide any alternative! :) I was hoping to add dozer blades to all my LRs, but I had to scavenge these pistons from lascannon sponson mountings (from a LRC, so I don't need them) but I'd have to buy an extra sponson sprue for each LR to keep doing this! I'm also not sure if I should try and replace the pistons with something more substantial, or leave it alone. I'm not keen on trying to add a central blade, because any pistons that will fit the space will not match the ones at the sides, and it'll look too unbalanced. Oh well, my other LRs are going to be Black Templars, so they'll just have to do without (they'll be too busy charging at the enemy anyway!). ++Edit++ I've just checked and that sprue is Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1058811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
T14 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 It looks stunning :( If you go to a hobby/railroad store, you can often pick up brass tubing in a myriad of diameters. Get a tube that fits snugly inside a larger tube. Instant piston at whatever diameter you need at a mere pittance. Consider angling the blades very slightly away from the centerline from the tank. This will make it look like it can smash through obstacles rather than push at them. Cheers -t14 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1058907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin of Death Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Why not make it like the blade on a real bulldozer, have one blade running all the way accross the front and have the "arms" of the blade go part way down the side of the landraider. The whole blade could then be lifted up above the ramp. I'm liking this idea so much I may have to go buy a landraider Edit, just found this DA Land Raider Q EDIT: Corrected Link Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1059018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Chaplain Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 well the problem is guys, if he goes for one huge blade he's gonna lose the front assault ramp! I have to say it looks VERY good for what you're trying to achieve (especially with all the forge world stuff), BTW is this particular land raider going to be a prometheus pattern? I'm asking because the front armor looks like the one my friend has and his is a promey.... cool idea *steals*. Gotta say it'll look splendid when it's done, mad props man. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1059311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Q- Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Err? Why not make it like the blade on a real bulldozer, have one blade running all the way accross the front and have the "arms" of the blade go part way down the side of the landraider. The whole blade could then be lifted up above the ramp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1059317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Magnus Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Maybe have the ramp in 3 sections: One on each of the tracks, and one attached to the top door, so when it opens the ramp is pulled upwards...let's just hope marines are trained to duck :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1059752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penitent Dreadnought Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 Err? Why not make it like the blade on a real bulldozer, have one blade running all the way accross the front and have the "arms" of the blade go part way down the side of the landraider. The whole blade could then be lifted up above the ramp. Like the DA Land Raider in the link, Q. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1059819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion Posted July 21, 2006 Author Share Posted July 21, 2006 Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I tried a few more options yesterday, and nothing seemed to work, so I ended up chatting with my brother last night (he's an engineering student) and in the end we agreed that the dozer blades as they are would work perfectly well for their purpose. Talk about coming full circle. Just a few final thoughts: 1. the 'attitude control' diagonal piston would not need to be as hefty, because the main force would still go through the larger pistons. 2. the blades are short enough relative to the side pistons not to need any other reinforcement. 3. it's not a minesweeper - the dozer blades are just there to prevent damage to the tracks from debris (I did try adding a blade under the ramp but it didn't work!). 4. the 'attitude control' piston looks like it could extend the blades forwards (to more of an angle) which would be useful to move sand, etc... (currently it's set up to deal with rubble, which needs more flat-on shoving than channeling sideways). 5. looking more closely at the setup of the pistons, you could drive the LR into a solid block and the pistons would act as shock absorbers, but where the bump-stops are they still wouldn't hit the tracks. 6. if you did run into something totally immobile then the pistons slamming back on their stops would automatically slam on the brakes too! Anyway, thanks again. I'll put up some more pics when it's more complete. :wacko: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1059936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Q- Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 Like the DA Land Raider in the link, Q.Right, I was wondering why the good Chaplain would suggest that the DA option would remove access to the front ramp when the post actually already answered that :wacko: Moving the thing up and down makes the most sense but sadly folks are always going to ask how anyone would get out of the front. I like your explanation Ilmarinen, to think of it as a way to keep the tracks clear. Nice theory (until the belly gets caught up on something ;)) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1060120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 I like it the way it is! Excellent job! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1061120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solamus Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 I think that looks pretty good (and better with the supports). I must at admit it's a tricky thing to do as they only other way I can think of is some sort of full blade that lifts up to allow the assault ramp to deploy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1061379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJon Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Looks great and what a great idea. I may have to borrow that one ;) BigJon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1061380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Ghost Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 nice work, it looks great as it is, especially after going through the effort of getting an enginners point of view on the design. I've allways thought of dozer blades for LR being just as you'ved designed. The whole one ramp thing, I think, wouldn't work well with the post-heresy designed LR's, think thay should only be used on the pre-heresey versions! I take it your dozer blades were from one IG sprue chopped down the middle? Stolen for "Inspiration" ahem Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1061383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion Posted July 23, 2006 Author Share Posted July 23, 2006 Some more progress: I'm pretty pleased with how the dozer blades match the overall look of the model. Front mounted sponsons seem more sensible (you can keep firing as you disembark without killing your marines!) but make the LR look a little front heavy - but with the dozer blades the sponsons are more in the middle. It's another addition to my Deathwatch/Ordo Xenos army. I did try giving the gunner an Adeptus Mechanicus pad, but it didn't really work, so I'm sticking with an ordinary pad. (BTW does anyone know where I can get some of these discontinued 'fist' pads?). I added the targeter and display on the storm bolter because it didn't look like he'd be able to see past the gun to what he was aiming at! :blink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1061660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion commander Argonas Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 there not discontinued, go to the UKGW shop and scroll down the marine section, their at the bottom . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1061665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callas Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Dang, that's a neat trick for the Storm Bolter! Consider that one firmly **yoinked**. I like how the whole thing is turning out, actually. I tried using the mine plow off an M1 Abrams for mine, but the scale of it is too big, though it'd fit a Baneblade, 1:35 is a little big. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1061682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquilla Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Some nice corversions there. Where does the marines head come from? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1061703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion Posted July 23, 2006 Author Share Posted July 23, 2006 Thanks for the replies. I really like the more high-tech look of the storm bolter - total spur of the moment idea! :lol: The head is the Deathwatch one. GW decided to streamline its pad range a while ago (they ran out of room in the warehouse, apparently) so they changed them to sprues of 5 (instead of singles) and, unfortunately, they only kept one 'fist' pad (not the nicest either IMO). So, this one is discontinued, but I'd like to get hold of some more - if anyone knows where. The only thing I have left to do is to add purity seals, scrolls, icons, etc... (I'm off on hols for a few weeks so it won't be completed for a while yet, and as for painting.......... :blink: ). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/92103-land-raider-prometheus-with-dozer-blades/#findComment-1061717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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