The halfway gods

[Puppet Master]

I was recently reading up about the minor chaos gods, and I noticed there are some gods which are kinda in the middle between the main 4.

 

These are:

Khaine - in old fluff was between khorne and slaanesh

Horned Rat - Between tzzench and nurgle (though there are ints of slaanesh and khorne to)

Mermedus - Between nurgle and khorne in a way

Hashut - Kinda between khorne and tzzench

 

So I was wondering maybe we could create some other halfway gods.

 

The ones which are left are:

 

God between Nurgle and Slaanesh (maybe a goddess)

God between Tzzench and Slaanesh (maybe a dream goddess =/)

 

There might be another but I am not sure =/

 

So anyone interested in making theses last 2 gods?

[Reid]

Nurgle and Slaanesh are, in my eyes, complete opposites. One is about the decay (and therefore the imperfection) of all things, one is about perfection.

 

Tzeentch and Slaanesh could be possible I guess

[refuse]

I have to build the star.

 

If you look at the number.

 

See if I can get this to work.

 

Primary numbers (sacred numbers of the Chaos gods)

8
7	 9
   6

8
 5   |  2
   \ | /  
   7---1---9
   / | \
 4  |   3
	 6

Where the Emperor is 10.

 

Iron Warriors use to have an afinity for for the numb 3. Between Tzeentch and Slaanesh.

 

This is the way I always laid out the numbers.

[Puppet Master]

Actually you just reminded me of somthing.

 

both khorne and slaanesh are repersented by even numbers

 

when tzzench and nurgle are repersented by odd numbers

 

The horned rat seems to be neither nurgle or tzzench, yet is a mixture of both.

 

 

Yet with khorne, he seems to have 3 deitie aspects of himself, which are created as his realms touch his brother gods. Khaine, Hashut, and that Mermedus.

 

I see khornes powers as a manifestation of the void. As his hands reach out to consume, those hands are tainted in the process. Creating three aspects which are more like his brother gods then himself.

 

 

It is interesting that you mention iron warriors liking for 3, as this could hint that a chaos god between tzzench and slaanesh. Would be a chaos machine god possibly.

 

With nurgle and slaanesh, I think a god between them is possible. Though I am unsure what it would be.

 

 

 

EDIT: Hmmm according to your chart that means, that Hashut would have a sacred number of 2, the slaanesh/tzzench goddess would be 3, and Mermendus would be 5. Though what would be the sacred numbers of the Horned rat and khaine?

 

Also it is interesting that you mention the emperor is 10, as malal's is 11

[Spinsane]

EDIT: Hmmm according to your chart that means, that Hashut would have a sacred number of 2, the slaanesh/tzzench goddess would be 3, and Mermendus would be 5. Though what would be the sacred numbers of the Horned rat and khaine?

 

Also it is interesting that you mention the emperor is 10, as malal's is 11

The Hornet Rat's has always been 13...

 

That being said, I can easily see a link between Nurgle and Slaanesh. Nurgle is, foremost, not the god of decay, but the god of despair. Decay is an unfortunate necessity. Nurgle uses disease, contagion and decay as a mean to force one down the path of despair, where one sees only two ways out : death, or a pact wit unholy gods, and Nurgle always witholds the first... :blush: It's a twisted, sick way of getting followers, in which he promises love, care and attention and an end to the suffering (hence the nickname of Grandfather Nurgle) if the poor soul will just pledge to him.

 

That said, a mix of Slaanesh and Nurgle would probably be a twist between lust/perfection and despair... The underachiever or procrastinator, who dreams of perfection but always sees it as out of his grasp and thus choses innaction instead.

 

+ Edit: oups, forgot to mention, going with this chart, only numbers that end up 'missing' are 1 and 12, so which one is Khaine's? :lol:

[Puppet Master]

Hmmm I am guessing 1 would be the number of chaos undivided.

 

So Khaine would be 12 then if I am correct =/

 

Interesting to note that horned rat is 13, and kahine is 12. Both being gods between the major oppisitions.

[refuse]

Ok.

 

Slaanesh isn't about perfection, sex, drugs, enjoyment, pleasure, pain. It is about none of those. Those are ways of getting people to follow slaanesh.

 

Slaanesh is debasement. The corruption of morals, personal fiber and more. It is about making you do more and more, degrading, debasing, removing all resistance. It is about corruption of the psyche, in it's entirety.

 

This is the opposite of Khorne. Who is the god of "singularity". Slaanesh is about life to be unfulfilled, Khorne is about the singularity of death. Slaanesh is doing more to get less. Khorne is about a singular thing to get more.

 

Slaanesh is the debasement of your resistance. What will you do to get pleasure? Inflict pain upon yourself, take more drugs, listen to louder noises, do obscene things with obscene things? All the while never being sated, so you do more and more. To say no is to become a spawn.

 

Khorne is about killing, the singularity and mindlessness of it. You may kill in the name of honor, virtue, martial pride or you may kill for the pleasure, the money or any other reasons. But in the end, you kill. And to serve Khorne you kill more, and more, until killing in the name of the blood god is all you do. No pleasure, morality, nothing but killing.

 

 

Nurgle and Tzeentch are a bit more convoluted.

 

Nurgle is "status quo", while Tzeentch is ever changing.

Nurgle is the happy "frozen like this forever" god, with nothing changing, and no ability to find the end. He infects his minions then holds them "stable" for all eternity. The rusting heaps of vehicles continue to function, the plague ridden servants forever living, the wasted landscape held in statis, eternally corrupted, eternally damned, eternally living.

 

Tzeentch is about change. He gains power for people's desire for change, for the change war brings, for the change of birth and more. He is about the Warp. The etheral convoluted nature of the warp. The ability of the warp to change (conform to its "shape) the material. He is the opposite to Nurgle in that he is the power of change. Evolution, deevolution, mutation, and more. To modify is to serve Tzeentch.

 

 

So the Iron Warriors seek perfection in their change to be like machines.

Their "god" is a mixture of other gods. Debasement of human nature and change to machine. The continous striving for another state. The removal of all that is human (debasement of human nature), and replacement with that of a new state. The contionous improvment, and more.

 

 

Between Slaanesh and Nurgle I would imagine something that seeks perfection in stability. The "freezing" of a moment of perfection. The eternal joy of perfection and it's horror. I would put the Alpha Legion here. They are the eternal Foe. They rise up an army (debasing the cultists beliefs to their own) and march them against their foes, but like the Hydra (their symbol) they are eternal. They do not die, their minons do. It is debasement of others (much like nurgle plagues) and the eternal service, and stability.

 

Between Nurgle And Khorne I see singularity eternal. I would put the Night Lords there. They are eternal fear, and murder. Theirs is not the change of horror, but the death and spread of fear. Keeping their minions eternally horrified, plagued by nightmares and more. The power here would be one of murder, but of individuals. Assassins and terrorists. Not mindless killing, that would be against Nurgle, but sporatic, targetted killings.

 

Between Khorne and Tzeentch I would put the Word Bearers. They use the Warp for killing, for bringing change to the universe through the singularity of worship and spreading change. The act of religion and spreding it comes from the singluarity nature of Khorne, the trafficing of Daemons and use of the Warp from Tzeentch.

 

Now in each of these, they god may have aspects of other gods. Imagine a big circle with polarized versions of gods out at the tips, and more generic near the center.

 

 

http://forum.emperorschildren.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Chaospicture.JPG

Imagine it like this. Inside the lines there would be plentiful gods. As you approach the edges, you are pulled towards one of the major gods. So as you get more debasement like, you are pulled towards Slaanesh. More singular of purpose, towards khorne.

 

The minor god positions would be "equilibrium" points. Where those powers that end up there coallesce into minor gods. They are safe from the pulls of the major gods. They are balanced, against the two main influences, but have enough attacktion to the two minor influences to be stable.

 

Other lesser gods would be floating inside the star. Sometimes approaching one Major or Minor God depending on their orientation. But constantly changing depending worship, or the warp energy they consume.

 

 

That is my take

[Puppet Master]

Hmmmm it would be interestiing then bringing Hashut into 40k as a god for the word bearers.

 

Interesting as word bearers love fire in there iconography, and Hashut is all about fire, magick, and forbidden knowladge. It is a match made in heaven.....i mean hell.

 

Also hashut is happy to trade with all the chaos gods, and does not poscess the hate the two major gods on each sides of his domain poscess.

 

Hashut is a god of forges, and creation of daemonic engines. Though unlike the chaos god of machines that exists between slaanesh and tzzench, does not care for perfection, but for the ability to destroy, more then the perfection of the product.

 

Another interesting aspect of the word bearers which is khornate and tzzenchian, is there use of daemons. Sending them to there doom without care is they get destroyed. Meaning they do not care who dies to acomplish there goals, as long as they reach there goals.

 

 

The chaos god of machines that exists between tzzench and slaanesh in my eyes is the patron of obliterators. The union of flesh to metal, the merging of the two to create a higher form of life. A evolution of metal and flesh, and the perfection that can be achived through there union. I would see her as a goddess, as a mother of machines, and a patron of invention.

 

 

Ha here is an interesting idea, what if these two mechanical gods were a couple. That would piss off khorne and slaaneshm who these two deities owe there creation to. (hmmm a beutey and the beast coupling, one a bull of hate, fire, and molten metal. The other a maiden of mechanical perfection).

 

 

Interesting how your minor god descriptions match the original alliances between legions mentioned in slave to darkness (e.g. iron warriors, and alpha legion servants of slaanesh, and night lords and word bearers servants of khorne).

 

Though I was always confused on how word bearers fitted with khorne, though your destription of there motives being between khorne and tzzench works more fittingly.

 

So that means we have the 4 minors

Hashut - Khorne/tzzench

Mermedus - Khorne/nurgle

(unknown) - Slaanesh/tzzench

(unknown) - Slaanesh/nurgle

 

also we have two minors that set the balances between the major oppisitions

Khaine - Slaanesh/Khorne

Horned rat - Nurgle/Tzzench

[refuse]

The chaos god of machines that exists between tzzench and slaanesh in my eyes is the patron of obliterators. The union of flesh to metal, the merging of the two to create a higher form of life. A evolution of metal and flesh, and the perfection that can be achived through there union. I would see her as a goddess, as a mother of machines, and a patron of invention.

 

 

Ha here is an interesting idea, what if these two mechanical gods were a couple. That would piss off khorne and slaaneshm who these two deities owe there creation to.

Sounds interesting.

 

Interesting how your minor god descriptions match the original alliances between legions mentioned in slave to darkness (e.g. iron warriors, and alpha legion servants of slaanesh, and night lords and word bearers servants of khorne).

 

Though I was always confused on how word bearers fitted with khorne, though your destription of there motives being between khorne and tzzench works more fittingly.

Yeah, I liked the original Slaves descriptions more then the watered down versions of "undivided" now. Much cooler so I kept it in my description of Chaos.

 

Alot cooler to think that the legions were tied to the 8 points of chaos.

 

 

So that means we have the 4 minors

Hashut - Khorne/tzzench

Mermedus - Khorne/nurgle

(unknown) - Slaanesh/tzzench

(unknown) - Slaanesh/Nurgle

 

 

If we extended the circle to be 3 dimentional (a sphere) then we could have axies of alignment. Order vs Disorder.

 

http://forum.emperorschildren.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/normal_Chaos_Plane.JPG

 

So There would be a god at the top of Order (Emperor? StarChild?) Which is balanced directly amongst the major gods. There would be a god directly below, i.e. pure disorder (Malal?)

 

Then we could assume the star shape is 3 dimentional now with potentially more "equilibrium" points. These other gods could be off the normal Chaos Plane (balanced between order and disorder) and have a third modifying aspect. The "Strength" of the Warp. i.e. the tie with the material.

 

Disorder would seek to seperate the Warp from the Material. To destroy the connection (kill the warp to kill the material). Order could see to "coexist". Or to form the perfect union. Thus chaos is balanced between destroying humanity, and being a slave to it. To destroy humanity is to cease to exist. To integrate with humanity is to cease to exist. So Chaos is the balance plane between self destructive, and self realization. Thus chaos lives in constant turmoil with itself. To win the ultimate battle is to fall towards Disorder. To avoid destruciton is to fall towards order. So it constantly keeps the living in a state of "chaos" to feed itself, and avoid being assumulated.

 

These other gods would then live inside the sphere of existance for the gods. Again making a set of 3 dimensional chaos stars. There would be a heavy disorder god between Slaanesh and Tzeentch (perhaps the obliterator god as it is a majaor melding of machine and man in a changing destructive way). And a mirror order version of the god that merges the warp, and the techo-change with a more integrated less changing way.

 

The horned rat (Slaanesh and Nurgle) may be more disorder oriented. Thus living below the plane of chaos (like below the land) and bringing ultimate destruction. There would be a god living opposite of him, Order and Nurgle/Slaanesh. This may bring debasement and stability integrated.

 

THis gives a 3 dimensional concept and explains Malal and the Emeperor.

[Puppet Master]

Refuse your knowladge never ceases to amaze me.

 

 

In my eyes the watered down unidivided can still work with slaves to darkness, due to your new descriptions.

 

One could say the 6 minors we have discussed are different flavours of undivided. Each of the 6 deities, though mainly ifnluenced by only two, also have aspects of the other cahos gods also.

 

For examples the horned rat is primarally nurgle and tzzench, though there are aspects of khorne and slaanesh in his personality also. E.g. the murder, assianation, and also the bells (sonic weapons), and lust for power.

 

EDIT: Hmmmmm maybe we should expand the fluff of these deities?

 

For names we could always use, Phraz-Etar and An'sl. Two gods who are mainly unused. I would say Mo'rcck as well, but since he is based of morcock (the inventor of chaos), I would say he is more fitting for chaos undivided,

 

Oh also, did you know, that Zuvassin and Necoho were created to fill the void left by Malal? In my opinion these two gods are spects of malal.

 

 

EDIT 2: Hmmm actually if the horned rat was more disorder aligned, I would say his oppisite would be Khaine, who seems more ordered then the horned rat.

 

Also on the chart he would be oppsitie, since both these gods are created from the major oppsiitions.

[Lord_Caerolion]

I wouldn't say that Khaine is a Chaos god as such, more just a generic god. If you read the Chaos army book for Fantasy, it states that all gods are part of the Chaos gods, even 'tame' ones such as Sigmar and Ulric. I just really can't see the Elves/Eldar worshipping something wholly dedicated to Chaos.

[refuse]

chaos = warp.

 

I think chaos is the "plane" or equilibrium (probably bowl shaped) points of the warp powers.

 

So even the Emepror is a Chaos god. And psykers/mages use chaos power. It is just off the chaos plane.

[Kevlarshark]

So what about the Laughing God and the weird other god thingie that the Eldar seem to be 'creating' in some of their fluff?

[Lord_Caerolion]

The Eldar Laughing God is, in my opinion, the Deceiver. He is only mentioned in relation to the C'Tan, and the deeds associated with both of them seem suspiciously similiar. But this isn't the place to dwell on such thoughts.

And Refuse, as to your comment, I know that all gods come from the Warp, its just that I see the Eldar deities as something different, somehow, as I can't see the Eldar worshipping the very thing they hate most, besides the Necrons. It was always my opinion that the Eldar gods were from another dimension, or something, other than the Warp, as they don't have the same powers associated with them as the Chaos Gods. As such, it also explains why they are so powerless at the moment, as opposed to even the rumoured Malal, who can still supposedly affect his followers, when he was still part of the fluff. The Eldar Gods have never been said to have done anything similiar, and the fact that they are actual beings, rather than proper deities, explains how Khorne and Slaanesh fought over Khaine, as his 'soul' had equal amounts of both 'colours', as you have put it, Refuse.

[Spinsane]

Actually, the way the eldar "gods" have always been described, they look a lot more like the old ones than any actual gods... I think the Laughing god would actually be the last living old one, living somewhere in the heart of the webway, in the black library (since eldar legends seem to indicate that HE is still around)...

[Lord_Caerolion]

Yes, but it states in the Necron codex that the Harlequins fear the time that the Outsider shall return for vengeance against the Laughing God, who tricked him into eating his 'brothers', a feat also attributed to the Deceiver, and the two are very similiar in descriptions. And yes, the Eldar Gods could be the Old Ones, but they are described as living in another realm, and not in the physical sense. I can't remember where thats from, but with that in mind, the link between the Eldar Gods and the Old Ones becomes a little tenuous. But then again, the first two Eldar were said to be the sons of the Eldar Gods, and they were seeded by the Old Ones. Now I'm starting to think that Khaine isn't a God as such, but more just a revered being. While this is what the Emperor is, there just wouldn't be enough Eldar to make him become a full-fledged god, in my opinion.

 

We may have to look for another god to balance the Horned Rat... Possibly the Hive Mind? It does seem very organised, in a destructive way.

[Kevlarshark]

If the Hive mind is unending hunger that could have links to the 'Great maw' that the fantasy ogres worship?

 

The HM could fit the possible gap (if we exclude Khaine) Killing for khorne and taking pleasure in consumption for Slannesh.

[refuse]

Yes, but it states in the Necron codex that the Harlequins fear the time that the Outsider shall return for vengeance against the Laughing God, who tricked him into eating his 'brothers', a feat also attributed to the Deceiver, and the two are very similiar in descriptions. And yes, the Eldar Gods could be the Old Ones, but they are described as living in another realm, and not in the physical sense. I can't remember where thats from, but with that in mind, the link between the Eldar Gods and the Old Ones becomes a little tenuous. But then again, the first two Eldar were said to be the sons of the Eldar Gods, and they were seeded by the Old Ones. Now I'm starting to think that Khaine isn't a God as such, but more just a revered being. While this is what the Emperor is, there just wouldn't be enough Eldar to make him become a full-fledged god, in my opinion.

I think you said it perfectly.

 

I think the eldar Gods were "super shaman". The Eldar had a larger tie to the Warp, and thus had stronger members with perfect mind.

 

ok, fluff (from my memory).

 

In the beginning the warp was calm and all life was stable. Along came the old ones, who started making races. First amongst these races were the Slaan. The old ones taught the Slaan how to have "perfect mind". The ability for a person to die, maintain their sould while dead so they could be reborn.

 

These became the Slaan Old Ones. Those that lived through multiple lives and were ancient and wise.

 

Then the Slaan, and the old ones met the Necrons and during their war created other races to hold them back. The Eldar, Orks and others. These they gave "powers" or connections to the warp.

 

THe Eldar Old ones became their gods. Isha and others. Though they started taking aspects by consuming other dieing eldar (The eldar went to their gods). Because the Eldar worshipped gods, not their eternal soul, they fed their dieties. This is much like chaos, where chaos consumes simular souls. Theses started taking the aspects of Eldar beliefs. So their gods became the first "chaos" gods, or "consumers" of souls. Their gods fought and fought.

 

With the comming of the Necrons/C'Tan the Eldar Gods fought again and again. But with the advent of Enslavers, psykers were endangered, and the Eldar like all other psykers were forced to "hide" until the Enslavers ran out of food. This was the weakening that the Eldar Gods had.

 

From there, we have the birth of Chaos Gods proper. The stories say how Slaanesh And Khorne fought over Khaine. This is probably metaphorical for the larger "chaos" powers forming post Enslavers drawing in common "energies". Khain was a god of War (Khorne) and The pleasure of Killing (Slaanesh). So it's power, soul, warp presence was pulled between Khorne and Slaanesh (thus the metaphorical battle). Finally his soul sent to material bodies to be preserved (it's own violation, the corruption of the soul by the C'Tan, or perhaps the Avatar bodies are large Soul Stones.)

 

During this time the Eldar also use Soul Stones. This prevents their energies from going into the warp, and feeding their "gods", as well as being consumed by Slaanesh. So they eliminate their "gods" source of power. Also, by taking on Aspects and limiting their emotion, the prevent feeding the Gods through normal methods. So the Eldar Gods faded due to lack of food, except Khaine who now has a "soul stone" body (or necron metal/soul stone.

 

So my opinion is the Eldar Gods are just the first of their "old ones" who became "gods" instead of staying individuals.

 

Now the Orks on the other hand had 2 Perfect Minds (Gork and Mork) and those Gods feed upon the Ork warp energies, and return it to the Orks. Because the orks are so "focused" they only have 2 aspects to their belief.

 

For humans, the perfect minds were the Shaman. These shaman decided to combine their power to form the Emperor instead of be lost in the rising warp. So much like the Eldar gods being combinations of several perfect minds, the Emperor is a union of all the human Shaman (perfect minds).

 

That is my take on it.

[Warprat]

If we extended the circle to be 3 dimentional (a sphere) then we could have axies of alignment. Order vs Disorder.

 

http://forum.emperorschildren.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/normal_Chaos_Plane.JPG

 

So There would be a god at the top of Order (Emperor? StarChild?) Which is balanced directly amongst the major gods. There would be a god directly below, i.e. pure disorder (Malal?)

 

Then we could assume the star shape is 3 dimentional now with potentially more "equilibrium" points. These other gods could be off the normal Chaos Plane (balanced between order and disorder) and have a third modifying aspect. The "Strength" of the Warp. i.e. the tie with the material.

 

Disorder would seek to seperate the Warp from the Material. To destroy the connection (kill the warp to kill the material). Order could see to "coexist". Or to form the perfect union. Thus chaos is balanced between destroying humanity, and being a slave to it. To destroy humanity is to cease to exist. To integrate with humanity is to cease to exist. So Chaos is the balance plane between self destructive, and self realization. Thus chaos lives in constant turmoil with itself. To win the ultimate battle is to fall towards Disorder. To avoid destruciton is to fall towards order. So it constantly keeps the living in a state of "chaos" to feed itself, and avoid being assumulated.

 

 

Very interesting...

 

So, if you travel along the sphere of Nurgle towards Order you have life and rebirth. Going towards Disorder you have death. Nurgle provides a happy midpoint of disease between the two. Nurgle seeks to be changeless and constant. The dying person living, endless suffering.

 

The majority of beings, including Humankind would tend to be in the middle of the sphere. The cycle of life and death is in the middle. For most of us, being a "couch potato", procrastinating, or catching the flu would be the closest we get to Nurgle. I can see why Nurgle has a "jolly" side to it.

 

The opposite of Nurgle, Tzeentch uses sorcery. Using the powers of nature/the universe, Tzeentch is necromancy. The living, yet not living. The easy way to eternal life, (knowlege without wisdom). Man becomes machine. Towards Order you get more wisdom and assended beings. Towards Disorder you get Undead (anti-life).

 

Warprat ;)

[Blue Pilgrim]

Hi Ive fouund some fluff i hope you find it useful sorry, to interupt.

 

Taken from Liber Chaotica Slaanesh "Echoes of the Birth".

 

" I watched as the first ones encouraged the younger race to reach further into the other relm, and with their vibrant minds and pasionate souls create beings of power to fight the star gods.

 

But the Battel was long and the first ones were now few, and as their numbers dwindled so too did their influence over their young creations. Without the wisdom and the might of the first ones to bind them, I saw the Eldar's warp beings evolve from sentient weapons into living gods - the first true gods of thje Immaterium. How I wept When The Eldar embraced Them as Such."

 

So Perhaps Khorne is a move violent version of Khaine, or a part of that gods personality that was fuled by an older non scientient flow within the warp. ;)

[Silent Speaker]

Hey Blue Pilgrim, who's narrating that little passage?

[Blue Pilgrim]

umm i think its Richter Kless and his visions why??

[Captain Idaho]

whoa, this is a pretty heavy reading! very interesting, i wonder where you got you info refuse?

 

from what i read, most of what you have stated makes sense, though i am a little sceptical on the eldar gods part. i agree with the concept and the sustanence of such a being in the warp, but i think slaanesh consumed all of these gods and therefore became all the eldar gods mixed into one. i dont think the eldar gods disappeared because of the eldar path, i actually think the eldar path is there to limit the feeding of slaanesh as he feeds off all the aspects of eldar lives. indeed, his creation is probably the melding of the eldar gods due to the material traits of the eldar at the time of the fall becoming more debased and mingling with each other, so he is infact a coalition of enites that has given rise to a single intelect, thereby killing the composite identies in practice.

 

another thought i had was a "warp god" was in fact just a spiritual refleciton of a particular trait/aspect in the material universe, created and fed by the multintude of "souls" (prescense in the warp). as the mass of feelings and emotions associated with the particular trait grew the enitie was able to feed and eventurely harvest the feeling that gave it power, thereby developing senitence as it evolved over time.

 

am i grasping the idea of what you are saying correctly here?

 

im sure i read supporting evidence elsewhere, but cannot recall the source. perhaps 2nd edition codexes?

[Silent Speaker]

Oh, it just sounded interesting. I wondered who was "saying" it.

A heretic burned by the Inquisition, right? :P

[Blue Pilgrim]

Surpriaingly no an Empire Scolar from the warhammer universe so this is proof the two things are linked :tu:

 

 

and yes you could be right but i think its more likely that many of the corrup[ted eldar had stopper worshiping the old Gods long before and turned to Slaanesh, but yes i think your right.... i dotnt know i obviously need to think on this alot more. :P