Daeothar Posted October 22, 2006 Author Share Posted October 22, 2006 It looks as if the paint does not have enough pigment. This can be caused by a couple of things, most likely (I think) is mixing the paint with too much water. Second cause might be that while you shook your paint pot, the actual pigment particles have clotted at the bottom of the bottle and the paint you use is just the fluid compound with some residual pigment in it. Try stirring the paint in the pot, by using he back of your brush or another stirring implement like a small stick or whatever and make sure you get the point of the stir rod all the way down to the bottom of the pot. If it is in any way hard to reach the bottom (e.g. you have to apply actual pressure to get there), your pigment has clotted. Proceed to stir the pigment at the bottom and make sure it gets distributed evenly through the fluid in the pot. If this doesn't work, get some of the pigment out with your stick/brush and apply it to a palette. the add water to make it thin enough and th Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1119232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mario Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 ok well in this case, here are the WIPs http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/war...mp/P1010160.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/war...mp/P1010161.jpg that's three coats. Any help appreciated. Oh and incase you are wondering it's a 5:1 paint to water ratio. Any input appreciated. It looks as if the paint is too thin for the basecoat. 5:1 is a good ratio for basic highlighting if the paint starts with GW paint consistency (fluid, not pastey). Can you post a photo of the paint in it's natural consistency. Just a big drop on a palette. That should make it possible to at least guess the basic consistency. But it looks like the paint is too thin at the moment. The surface tension seems to push the pigments to some areas. The coats look thin enough (no details lost) so you can jst paint over that if the paint was too thin. That's no reason for panic. Just just have to get the consistency of the paint in a working condition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1119268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodwraith Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 i think i am just going to have to switch to citadel paints for the time being and see how i go with them. They have to be better then the ones i am trying to use at the moment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1119711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodthirster90 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Good idea. Citadel paints, while comparitively expensive, are not all that bad. With the cap, you can mix some paint up with a little water to thin it down in the cap so that when you close the cap, all your paint you havent used goes back into the pot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1119718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlteriusMotive Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Thats fine. Use those paints, just do four or five more coats. I thin my paints like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1119735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodwraith Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 alterius: trust me, after doing 14 coats with that really annoying paint something that gives me a good coat will be very good. 5:1 water to paint with that paint at one stage has taught me alot about patience. So yeah GW it is as i don't know where i can get vallejo over here unfortunately. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1119743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodthirster90 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 I think your problem is the mix. 5:1 water t paint gives you thinner-than-ink quality. If I were you, I'd maybe only do 2:1 water to paint. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1119763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodwraith Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 thirster: i've tried alot of different combos. What i have tried with same results; water:paint 5:! 2:1 3:1 1:5 1:3 all have had the same results. Other people are having the same problems, so it is the paint and not the painter in this case. Can't decide on vallejo or citadel at the moment. Citadel most probably. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1119769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RADU LYKAN Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 when will stage 1 finish/stage 2 begin? I have never washed my models before painting, is there a massive difference between washed and unwashed models? am going to wash mine tonight, is just an average washing up liquid ok(probably tesco 15p variety)? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1119844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel robertson Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 I am still in this and here is my pr prime mini! http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e119/AngelRobertson/Dark%20angels/da001.jpg Standard DA bolter marine, for some reason picked the one that dosen't have the DA pad! Idiot! He is all primed up and ready to go as well but he is drying as i type! AR Edit, not sure how the board re sizing works! Apologies if i have done something wrong! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1119850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodwraith Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 you missed a massive great moldline and you missed some "fluff" on the back pack. I think you also missed mold lines on the ear pieces to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1119898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychologic Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 thirster: i've tried alot of different combos. What i have tried with same results; water:paint 5:! 2:1 3:1 1:5 1:3 all have had the same results. Other people are having the same problems, so it is the paint and not the painter in this case. Can't decide on vallejo or citadel at the moment. Citadel most probably. Does you 'shake' your paint? Sometimes the mix of paint/oil/whatever isn't mixed up very well. Some shaking might help. Close the cap (duh...) and shake a few times. Maybe it helps, maybe not... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1119969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeothar Posted October 23, 2006 Author Share Posted October 23, 2006 Okay gentlemen, a quick update: we are still at stage 2, and so far, only Bloodwraith has submitted WIP pictures at this stage... I think it is not particularly clear to most what stage we're at right now, so I've added the stages list to the very first post of this thread. If you need to know what stage we're at, or what the deadline is, check there. The byline of this thread's title will also change with each stage, which will be another clue. As it is, I'd like to see more pictures from all of you (Bloodsaint excluded; how is that blue coming btw? Any luck?). I stated earlier that the deadline for stage 2 was last saturday. suffice to say nobody made that, or even noticed. Hence the schedule at the top of the thread... For you to get any help, we'll have to see your work, so post regularly. I'd like to take this opportunity to let you all know we'll be holding you all to the deadlines from now. They will be realistic, rest assured, but we do need a firm and set schedule. If, for any reason, you cannot make the deadline (real life issues taking up your time) please PM me or any other moderator and we'll take it into account. This might sound harsh, but the ones helping you out need to be able to focus on one stage at the time, so the same advice does not have to be repeated 14 times over (Yes; there's 14 of you...). I fear this also means that anyone who is lagging behind and holding up the entire course without any form of communication or reason, will be taken off the program. This to keep things going and to accomodate those lending a hand. So, in that light, I'd like to ask Master Chaplain Astador to finally submit his first picture before Wednesday, October 25th, or he'll be on his own. The rest of you, if you have not done so already, please submit your stage 2 pictures before the same date: Wednesday October 25th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1120120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horuswaspretty Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 I stated earlier that the deadline for stage 2 was last saturday. suffice to say nobody made that, or even noticed. Hence the schedule at the top of the thread... I would just like to point out that you actually set the saturday deadline for stage one (mold line removal and informing you of our colour scheme), this was in post 62 of this thread. You have not actually, untill now, told us to move on to the undercoating stage. Just thought id let you know that we have all noticed and most have met the deadline. Stage 1 Remove flashlines and let us know what your colourscheme will be. For now, most of you have moved into stage 1 almost automatically, so we Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1120156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodwraith Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 in my defence i have been having board issues and still managed to get my pics in relatively quickly. Getting new paints today and will start on the basecoating stage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1120165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemFX Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Tomorrow. Was needed in the real world today. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1120178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalin Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 I had to switch models due to paint stripping difficulties, but I'll have pre- and post-prime pics tomorrow, don't have a camera on hand today. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1120190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodwraith Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 woohoo! citadel paints save the day. They are going on exceptionally smoothly :blink: So happy with the quality and application. Pics up soon. Motivation is mine again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1120354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RADU LYKAN Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 whoa! I didnt realise stage 2 had started, will have to juggle some rl stuff around but tomorrow should be ok for a pic of my marine with an undercoat. good to hear you sorted out your paints problem bloodwraith, citadel works just fine Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1120359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodwraith Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 thanks radu. Um i think i am upto step 3 or 4, can i post my WiPs? I am really just moving ahead with this as the paint goes on so well. If you want me to slow down i can do that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1120380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RADU LYKAN Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 If I were you I would slow down and try to stick with the rest of us, you will get more help that way. I know its hard though, especially as those new paints have given you the"bug" :tu: if you push on ahead of the others you may not be able to incorporate any new tips or comments into your model, defeating the objective of this class. :( I hope you do slow down, as although I too am chafing at the bit, I am really looking forward to seeing what I can do with some proper teaching, and to recieve that teaching we need to progress as a class. Radu trips as he gets off his soap box :blink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1120385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodwraith Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 yeah, i have slowed down, much as i am champing at the bit to do this, i really will slow down. I have a whole model to paint after all. So far i am upto the basecoating stage on the main body and the legs. I'm going to get the whole thing basecoated. If i am moving to fast daeothar please let me know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1120392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Omnius Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Stage 1: Remove flashlines and let us know what your colourscheme will be. ++ Done Stage 2: Undercoating. ++ Done, and I am in the process of removing remaining flash My pics should be up by this weekend. ++ Omnius ++ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1120428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodwraith Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 well i thought i would whack up a pic with the actual colours and not horribly lightened by the flash; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/warlord_gorbad/bootcamp/P1010334.jpg the colours so far are liche purple, about 4 or 5 coats and enchanted blue, about 3 coats. Since i can't move ahead yet i will paint the arms and stuff to the same level and wait patiently for the stages to move on. ~mods~ hope the resizing is working properly, if not let me know and i'll change to links. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1120435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeothar Posted October 24, 2006 Author Share Posted October 24, 2006 Well, looks like even we can make a booboo; in the frenzy of rearranging info and posts, erasing stuff along the way, I accidentally deleted the post asking for Stage 1 pics to be put up and Stage 2 to commence. :mellow: What can I say? My bad... At any rate though, I think the deadline for stage 2 being set for next wednesday might be a bit ambitious for most of you now, so we'll move it up to next saturday, October 28th. I'm sorry Bloodwraith, but I have to ask you to contain your enthousiasm for a couple of days for the rest of the group to catch up. otherwise you'd be gettin too far ahead and the point of this course would become moot. Great work so far (almost) all of you; we'll have you painting for the Daemons yet... :blush: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/5/#findComment-1120468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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