Yamez Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 Stage 4: Shading. Deep recesses and lines should be painted a darker shade. I'm not questioning your abitity to teach, but is it not easier to paint a messy shade first, and then the 'base' colour on top? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1130986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horuswaspretty Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 Clarifying; we're looking to put very dark colours in the deepest recesses right now. The ensueing shading layers on the armourplates themselves we'll tacke in the highlighting stage, as those techniques are very much the same. Oh right sorry, didnt realise this was what you meant. This is what I will do next then. I think I use about 2 or 3 layers for shading and another 3 or 4 for highlighting most of the time. You say you use 2 or 3 layers for shading, but do you mean for us to use just one layer at this stage and add the rest at the highlighting stage? or straight to the 2 or 3? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1130998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemFX Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 My 3 & 4 will be up tonight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1131118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeothar Posted November 12, 2006 Author Share Posted November 12, 2006 You say you use 2 or 3 layers for shading, but do you mean for us to use just one layer at this stage and add the rest at the highlighting stage? or straight to the 2 or 3? I generally see the recesses of a mini as a seperate stage; think of it as an extention of the basecoat. Your ensueing shading towards this darker colour will work towards it. It's that shading I usually use 2 or 3 stages for. Colourwise, they'll be right inbetween the colour chosen for the recesses and the basecolour. There are some different ways to accomplish this shading/lining though. One technique is letting the undercoat untouched in the lines and recesses when painting the basecoat. However, this requires just as much attention and care as lining them afterwards, but now you'll have to be careful with each and every layer you have to put on. As it is very hard to follow the very exact line and brushstrokes of your previous layer, you'll have to clean up afterwards too. And having tried this myself as well, I found that the paint, according to Murphies Law, for some reason seemed to want to gather in the very recesses I wanted to stay clear of. ^_^ The way I described though, makes it easier to create a consistent line, which you can also more easily clean up (with your shading layers working towards the recess). You can try the other way, but you'll probably find that you'll end up doing the steps I explained anyhow because of paint bleeding in... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1131219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemFX Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 http://nemfx.8m.net/Ultramarines/BnC/StepOne.jpg http://nemfx.8m.net/Ultramarines/BnC/StepTwo.jpg http://nemfx.8m.net/Ultramarines/BnC/StepThree.jpg http://nemfx.8m.net/Ultramarines/BnC/StepFour.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1131594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbo Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 NemFX - I can only see the bottom two pictures, and I can't really make out whats in them. If you need free image hosting try photobucket.com ~zbo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1131659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin of Death Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 No pics at the mo but I have Basecoated my Space Wolf with Space Wolves Grey and blacklined by leaving the black undercoat showing at the edges, so do I need to do more shading, or is that enough? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1131690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RADU LYKAN Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I will be shading my marine either tonight or tomorrow. the last one I painted I used dark angels green for the shading/darklining is that suitable or should I mix da green with scaly green and use that? or even scaly green with black? any hints/help is greatly appreciated Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1131766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horuswaspretty Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I will be shading my marine either tonight or tomorrow. the last one I painted I used dark angels green for the shading/darklining is that suitable or should I mix da green with scaly green and use that? or even scaly green with black? any hints/help is greatly appreciated It depends on what sort of colour you are going for, for more of a green colour use DA green, for more of a blue colour add a dark blue, or if you want a blue/green try adding a little black to the base colour and see what it looks like, if you like it use it. Add lots of water, I used the paint as an ink and that worked well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1131810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obliterator Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Stage 4: Shading. Deep recesses and lines should be painted a darker shade. I'm not questioning your abitity to teach, but is it not easier to paint a messy shade first, and then the 'base' colour on top? Either way goes. I usually paint on the shade color as a basecoat, and highlight up from there. However, this is a bit more difficult to maintain a coherent base color as you're going to work with mixes to get a nice smooth color transition. I would suggest using this technique on unique models, while using the technique Daeothar mentioned on the RAF. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1131934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin of Death Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b265/richardworthington/DSCF0680_edited.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b265/richardworthington/DSCF0679_edited.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b265/richardworthington/DSCF0678_edited.jpg White speckles are actually from me sanding insulating foam to make Proton Packs - Obviously Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1132607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barret Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Ahoy, Okay, so I've got a couple layers of Fortress Grey on the parts of the armour that are to be white, but I'm not sure how to proceed. I was thinking, a couple layers of 3:1 Skull White:Fortress Grey, leaving the grey in the recesses, and then highlighted with Skull White. Would that work? Here's the so-far pics. They're still not great, as I haven't yet found a good photo location in my new house. Not that I've ever had a great one before. :unsure: Once I'm ready to highlight, I'll go back and clean up the black and the divides between the colours. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/ElcidBarret/Sons%20of%20Malice/TestMarine-PIP2-Front.jpghttp://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/ElcidBarret/Sons%20of%20Malice/TestMarine-PIP2-Rear.jpg Cheers, Barret Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1132682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodwraith Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 had a few real life issues crop up but should be able to get the blacklining finished today and pictures up tomorrow probably. Is that ok? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1132694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 Ahoy, Okay, so I've got a couple layers of Fortress Grey on the parts of the armour that are to be white, but I'm not sure how to proceed. I was thinking, a couple layers of 3:1 Skull White:Fortress Grey, leaving the grey in the recesses, and then highlighted with Skull White. Would that work? Actually I'd advise against painting the entire to-be-white area fortress grey as that's only making it harder on yourself.. I would have left those parts white and put a thinned down fortress grey (1:1 Fg:water) into the recesses. This can be done quite easilly with a thin (detail) brush. Even if you do get it on some places where you don't want it; it's thin enough to be covered easilly with white again! John Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1132843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodwraith Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 sodding heck, this blacklining business is pretty darn hard. I am using the absolute thinnest brush i can and it goes on really nicely but the black fades almost straight away, how many coats do you normally do when black lining? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1132860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernmist Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 sodding heck, this blacklining business is pretty darn hard. I am using the absolute thinnest brush i can and it goes on really nicely but the black fades almost straight away, how many coats do you normally do when black lining? Personally I find when blacklining that I can afford for the paint to be just a *little* bit thicker than when doing normal coats. This is because you want it to stay in the 'valleys and ridges'. If it's too thin you tend to find capillary action draws it all the way along, which makes it a bit easier, but lessens the coverage. I've got to say Bloodwraith, that so far the pics you've posted are vast improvements so keep practicing and you'll get it right! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1132896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obliterator Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 sodding heck, this blacklining business is pretty darn hard. I am using the absolute thinnest brush i can and it goes on really nicely but the black fades almost straight away, how many coats do you normally do when black lining? Mostly only one... But as Kernmist said, you want the paint to be thinned down slightly, not too watery. You can also thin down your Chaos Black paint with Black Ink, thinning the paint, but increasing the pigment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1133172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodwraith Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Hey kernmist, thanks alot, appreciate the help you've provided me so far through my painting shamozzles. Funniest thing to me was all those people going a bad craftsman blames his tools, then i changed my tools and voila. Ahh that explains why i was getting the faded look. Is it ok to have a faded blacklining look or does it have to be crisp? Here is my blacklining efforts so far; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/warlord_gorbad/bootcamp/100_0821.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/warlord_gorbad/bootcamp/100_0819.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/warlord_gorbad/bootcamp/100_0817.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/warlord_gorbad/bootcamp/100_0820.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1133319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellChyld Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 looks good to me. like the armor has a worn look Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1133385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel robertson Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 I seem to have los a da somewhere! Hadn't realised hat today is the 16th! i will try get the shading done on my marine this afteroon as i am away untill monday evening if not! Is it ok to ink the model? As i am doing a DA standard DA green is to bright for me so i plan to ink the entire model with a mix of green and black ink then begin highlighting from DA straight snot and straight goblin? AR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1133412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horuswaspretty Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 im really sory that I missed the dealine. I have done the shading but forgot to take a pic. I will get them up tonight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1133481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RADU LYKAN Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 deadline? aarrrggghhhh! I too have done my shading but will not have time to get a pic up til tomorrow as am working all day and night today. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1133482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeothar Posted November 16, 2006 Author Share Posted November 16, 2006 Don't sweat it on the deadline guys. I think I'll just extend it till saturday, especially for all of those not up to date, as they have even more to do. So; Saturday 18th will be the new deadline, giving everybody some slack... :huh: Keep it up; I see very good results so far! :blush: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1133543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driseamail Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Here are the pics of my undercoated mini. I know I'm a bit late with them, but I wan't able to get my mates digicam till today. http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g60/Driseamail/40k/Tac_marine_002.gif http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g60/Driseamail/40k/tactical_marine_002a.gif I'm working on blacklining atm, and I'm hoping to have it finished by saturday evening. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1133700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodwraith Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Hey guys, I really don't know how i am going to do the chest eagle, should i black line it? The only dark blue i have is ink and that might prove to thin. The only other idea i have is to ink wash the whole eagle in the blue in and then paint it again being careful to avoid the recesses. Thoughts? Opinions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/97137-bc-basic-painting-skills-bootcamp/page/9/#findComment-1133869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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