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Far as Votann, I get a feeling the HQ will be a new Pira-erm... sorry, 'Prospector' captain. Seems like the most reasonable HQ Niche to fill. If they go for a wave then robots would be beyond hype. Marines are probably a tee for Valrak's predictions, new Codex Compliant Chars.

I agree, I got a box of the Berserkers when they came out for my CSM (which I will surely someday paint) and they are wonderful for that. I see my friends WE army on the other hand and I do admit its the poor cousin to his 30k WEs outside the Zerkers and Invokatus. Its probably bias but I always imagined that more powerful or mutated World Eaters would have more decayed/worn metal and flayed-looking skin, you know things that look like a nightmare. Invokatus nailed that I think with the melded helm and armor. Eightbound are just kind of WE Wulfen crossed with Magic Mike tbh, a cool and nightmarish concept executed on in a weirdly sedate and child-friendly way (with an unasked for amount of armour shedding)... which is weird because EC just got released and those are beautifully horrifying to look at. I suppose I had a bit of a Soulslike idea of the WEs before their actual range came out though. That sort of 'this armour is worn and broken down but still has a strange baroque finery to it but its worn by a monster twisted by its own madness' look. The flesh weapons are also a bit lame tbh.

Wanted to ask folks two things after chewing on the article and preview for a bit. Given what we have heard (7" Move, 3 shot, chainswords, OC3), what is your take or leave pts price for the new Grey Hunters? Because I am expecting they are getting a premium for all of that but I can't quite decide what my breaking point is. Second, how realistic do you see the Head Takers' gimmick being in most games? It strikes me as very fiddly because your opponent could probably counterplay it pretty easily and they would need to be absolute murder to really scare off a bigger fish. I can't help but feel that I'll probably use it as a 'nice if it comes up but not betting on it' rule.

This might sound strange but I always felt a really sensible unit for TS would be a sniper/infiltrator unit. Reasoning is: -Character Sniping. -Early Objective Grab for a fairly crawling army sans Tzaangors. -They had them in 30k, explicitely Psykers. -Can easily be a fixed 3 man squad, which would make junior sorcerors reasonable. -Gives a niche for really newbie sorcerors to do. -Plays into their apparent 'ranged monogod' look. -It would be really cool and would tap into the 'border guard/nomad' aspect of the Egypt motif.

I have to pose a question for WE players, because they DID actually get a new unit in addition to the new HQ. The Bloodletter Cosplayers released to Killteam. Which is more upsetting in Monkey's Paw way, getting a new HQ that is an Astartes but for their ugliest unit or getting a new unit but its another cultist? It feels lile if someone says 'you get a new HQ and Unit', I personally be happy until I saw it was the interpretation of that that I'd want the least. I do also want to leave a record of my guess that EC get a Killteam release it will be cultists.

Eh, they are pretty much the spiritual successor of the latter but physically different enough to prevent whoever in GW hates cross-compatibility from descending on them like an eagle onto a greased up baby. Also, its Chaos, if there is one consistent piece of lore its that CSM cannot readily replicate most of their nicer 30k things without compromising alot (Khayon explicitely complains that you resort to Daemon Engines due to a lack of optipns). I stand by TS making these things by stealing repurposing other stuff like they did with Hellbrutes. Sort of like trying to trick out a Corola because you can't afford a Lexus (not a car guy, just going for a rough proxy). Incidentally, on the wider topic. I am putting down a bet in light of the Angrier Bound that the 11th Ed EC release will be a generic Flawless Blade Attache. I think EC are going to be following the WE road due to their similar dev and release frames. In a perfect world it will be a dual build with an Eidolon option but Im not going to bet on it. Will see of 2-3 years down I get to quote this prediction. This wasn't a complaint btw, I'd be okay if not especially thrilled about being right on this.

I'd put money on Thunder wolves, normal wolves and most of the X-Claw units getting axed. Most of the finecast is going to bite the dust as well. Wouldn't be shocked if the only named Chars left standing are Ragnar and whoever they have left to announce (Logan, Arjac and Njall if Valrak's previous rumours hold). Always the hope that most will comeback as our drip feed releases in future editions.

Eh, we have quite a few examples of the bubble head, including a literal man of iron. None match nearly as well. Those seem to be a one for one with an Ironkyn processor from what is visible in shape, painting style and overall appearance. It seems deliberate.

What an absolutely awful time to be an EC and SW player... My wallet feels like Ahriman tried to save it. Also, is it confirmation bias or is there something terribly off about the new wolves? Don't mean ugly or badly made, I mean like... 'No Wolves on Fenris' off. Would also love to see the rules for the Wolf Priest's new Holy Prison Shank. The viking noseguard on the Headtakers is also fantastic, almost as much as how random and customized the Hunters and Claws look. The heads in particular are amazing.

Gotta be honest, the more I look at those definitely-not-tortured-and-reformatted-Ironkyn the more I like them. There is very clearly something strange afoot with them because that armour plating does not look like it sits perfectly on that underbody. I do wonder if the concept with them is 'we need psy-automata but don't really have the resources... unless we borrow them and adjust them...'. I also wonder how big the squad can get mechanically, because if it can hit four and is even as tough and as fast the Mechanicus bots they could make a scary escort for Ahriman.

I know we are going into rage but if I can take a minute for amusement. Can we just acknowledge a guy being so angry he literally screams people back to life is the WE thing ever? Also, I kind of want the robots, interesting they have the Ironkyn heads underneath, makes me wonder if the TSons source these from Votann in a very grudge-earning kind of way...

I would respectfully point out that alot of ranges have more room and niches to fill in what would logically be their own specialization in terms of actual units/vehicles than just characters. See the monastic vows WEs seem have universally adopted against any form of flight or other form of individual transportation. Or the TS having seemingly collectively forgotten how to use any equipment configuration beyond the baseline tactical/terminator loadout. It is a continued tragedy that Prosperene mourning rituals involve avoiding bikes, air travel and touching profane (long ranged) weaponry. Or that Cawl's attempt to copyright dreadnoughts succeeded and all chaos and loyalist variations were executed. Jokes aside, thats just a few fairly similar factions. I think its kind of damning that we have got so used to subfaction-specific models not existing outside of marines and guard that the concept apparently doesn't register. Some of us would buy Iyanden-specific Wraith units in a heartbeat. Or Ulthwé's actually professional Guardians who, given that this tradition variation is almost as old as the concept of Craftworlds, should arguably look different. I could say the same about Nids, whose Hivefleets would logically have unique creatures. The Necrons, whose eccentricity and traditional would mean fairly variable high echelons (Guard, Immortals, so on). And given how well it sells for marines, I think its unfair to say it wouldn't sell for Xenos. Its an untried data point so I'd actually argue its equally likely that the lack of distinct subfactions might be harming Xenos sales rather than the inverse. I'd even point to how often Chaos players sic 30k releases with a fervor to argue my point. I think GW might even be aware of this, they have been testing the waters with Krieg and Kroot I think, and I think its paying off. Now we just need more subfactions whose name starts with K.

It is specifically funny because it overestimate the way data communicates in a market too. While yes, voting against a product by not buying it is true, you have absolutely no power over what the corrective measure would be. If they wanted to interpret the fact you arent buying as their not doing enough of what you dislike, they absolutely will. Especially when the decision makers don't know or care about the product in terms of their own personal use.

Is... is... that an insane survivalist renegade Blood Angel? Also, wow, no disrespect to the artist but the actual model has so much more character and relevance to the fluff in the article, that feels kind of unusual.

My personal take on the preorder is to grab one Champion box is possible and two of the CP when its out. That gives you 4 full Squads Tormentor/Infractor, 3 Lords, 2 Noise Marine squads and 2 full Faultless Blade Squads. That feels like a strong core (1805 points) to add extra bits to and covers your core EC range sans the Chars. I also think that it isn't really practical to buy Blades on their own if they have anything like Eightbound prices. Honestly, my senses might just be dulled by years of GW in the same way as the EC but thats a fairly easy way to get an army as it goes without too brutal a skew.