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  1. That is a glorious beard. And combined with the large hat.... *urge to make Chaos Dwarf conversions intensifies*
  2. Jaghatai: "My sons ritually scar themselves on induction." Leman Russ: "I have mine cast out to survive the brutal Fenrisian wilds to prove themselves." Corax: "I dip mine in glue, then drop them into a giant box of metal raven skulls."
  3. It's much as Alpharius902 suggested: Emperor got a load from killing off so many of his custodians, and Krole from killing so many in Saturnine. Including those he psychically "burnt out", the Emperor killed 23 (named) Custodians aboard the Vengeful Spirit, as well as Horus himself. There were also a handful of pre-Imperials that he took out, and I also counted a Raven Guard legionary slain by the defences of his labyrinth on Terra, since those were set up by him. Admittedly, a few of thsoe are "off-screen" (though I still counted them if they were confirmed), and some of the Custodians could be seen more as self-sacrifice, but YMMV Krole bagged 23 named World Eaters in Saturnine, plus one guy killed in the recent "Anathema" short story. Asking the real questions. According to a search of my digital copy of Prospero Burns I get: 10 wet-leopard growls 3 wet-leopard purrs 2 wet-leopard snarls 1 wet-leopard chuckle and 1 [dry] leopard growl
  4. As some may already know, I've been maintaining some resources related to the Horus Heresy series for a while now, keeping an up to date Dramatis Personnae, ship lists, plot threads summary, etc. Well, the series has now (technically) reached its conclusion. Of course they're still occsionally releasing something under that banner, but the official "final book" is out, so I think it's as good a time as any to have a look at some stats related to the full series! Also, to clarify what I mean by the "full series", what I base all the below on, this includes: The full numbered series, Books 1-54, including the anthologies. The Primarch series (17 books + Heirs to the Emperor) [we haven't got Horus' one yet, but with seemingly no word on it, I don't feel inclined to wait for it to finally come out] The Siege of Terra series (10 novels + 3 novellas) All stories not yet collected into the above (currently sitting at 4 novellas and 34 shorts) The character novels (Valdor, Luther, Sigismund, Eidolon) and Cthonia's Reckoning All the Forge World "black books", I to IX All published books for the 2nd edition of HH tabletop, including the digitally released "Exemplary Battles" All published books for the latest incarnation of Adeptus Titanicus, again including Exemplary Battles All published books for Legions Imperialis So, how many (named) characters were there? In grand total, across the entire series as given above, there are 5529 named characters, and of those, 2226 were confirmed to have died (or, in the case of daemons, been banished) within it. A further 793 are listed as "unknown", a good number of which I think are likely to have been killed, but we didn't actually get it confirmed. Which Legions/non-Legion organisations had the most or fewest named characters? The Legions with the most named characters were: The Ultramarines (363) The Imperial Fists (224) The Word Bearers (216) If we go beyond Legions, the Imperial Army had 455, Imperial Citizens/Staff had 409, and the general "Pre-Imperial" category had 285. The Legions with the fewest were: The Alpha Legion (100) The Death Guard (93) The Thousand Sons (74) Biggest characters by number of appearances [note: I'm not counting "mentions", only stories where a character actually appeared within it] Malcador (54 appearances) Horus (49 appearances) The Emperor (47 appearances) Rogal Dorn (42 appearances) Sanguinius (33 appearances) Fulgrim (28 appearances) Abaddon (26 appearances) Angron (26 appearances) Magnus the Red (26 appearances) Mortarion (24 appearances) Deaths So, what about K/D ratios and the like? Well, here are your best and worst chances of survival, based purely on the number of named characters killed: Best chances (Legions): Raven Guard (35/160 dead, 78.1% survival) Dark Angels (51/205 dead, 75.1% survival) Night Lords (27/104 dead, 74% survival) Worst chances (Legions): World Eaters (78/127 dead, 38.6% survival) Death Guard (49/93 dead, 47.3% survival) Emperor's Children (78/139 dead, 48.9% survival) Best chances (non-Legions): Remembrancers/Iterators (21/91 dead, 76.9% survival) Dark Mechanicum (17/65 dead, 73.8% survival) Blackshields (5/17 dead, 70.6% survival) Worst chances (non-Legions): Separatists (13/14 dead, 7.1% survival) Assassins (14/16 dead, 12.5% survival) Cultists (33/44 dead, 25% survival) Also special mention to the Alpha Legion for having 100 named characters and an exactly 50% ratio of survival. That feels right. Which Legions and characters got the most (named) kills? Obviously many characters were responsible for the deaths of billions, but for this I'm just factoring in named characters across the series. Named kills by Legion: Word Bearers: 181 Sons of Horus: 108 Alpha Legion: 101 Night Lords: 88 World Eaters: 82 Death Guard: 68 Ultramarines: 63 Iron Warriors: 60 Imperial Fists: 48 Emperor's Children: 47 Thousand Sons: 44 Dark Angels: 42 Raven Guard: 36 White Scars: 29 Salamanders: 25 Iron Hands: 24 Blood Angels: 22 Space Wolves: 18 (poor showing for "the Emperor's executioners"!) And who actually got the most (named) kills across the series? The Emperor (28) Jenetia Krole (24) Angron (23) Corax (23) Konrad Curze (21) Horus (15) Valdor (15) Spear (13) Eidolon (12) Ka'Bandha (12) Coverage across the series Another thing I kept a rough measure of was how much coverage each Legion got across the series. I kept a running tally score for each, with varying scores based on whether a story was a full novel, novella or short, and how much of it was dedicated to a particular Legion. So a full novel devoted predominantly to a single Legion would be worth a full 1.0, while a novella dedicated to them would be worth 0.33, and a shared novel split evenly between two or even three primary viewpoints might give each one a 0.67. Obviously there's a good deal of subjectivity in the exact numbers here, both in what to attribute to each story and the actual values given, and it doesn't account for every single time a Legion appeared, but I still hope it can illustrate generally who got the most attention across the series. In the end, the scores were: Sons of Horus (8.45) [worth noting that here I've pre-emptively included Horus' eventual Primarchs book in the score, though it wouldn't change the order if I hadn't] Ultramarines (6.12) Dark Angels (6.04) Imperial Fists (5.44) Word Bearers (5.35) Salamanders (4.96) Blood Angels (4.55) Emperor's Children (4.30) Space Wolves (3.95) White Scars (3.81) Thousand Sons (3.71) Iron Hands (3.70) Alpha Legion (3.22) World Eaters (3.04) Raven Guard (2.96) Iron Warriors (2.95) Night Lords (2.95) Death Guard (2.71) The Iron Warriors, Night Lords and Death Guard all suffered for having the novels focused on them being split with other perspectives (Buried Dagger being split between DG and the Knights-Errant, Pharos between the NL and UM, and Angel Exterminatus between EC and IW). The Imperial Fists also had this, since Praetorian of Dorn was about the Alpha Legion a good deal, but they had enough regular appearances (especially in the Siege) to make up for this. Ships In case anyone's interested, here are the number of named vessels each Legion had: Ultramarines: 108 Imperial Fists: 70 Dark Angels: 70 Sons of Horus: 66 Iron Warriors: 49 Word Bearers: 47 Iron Hands: 47 White Scars: 43 Night Lords: 41 Emperor's Children: 40 Blood Angels: 37 Death Guard: 34 World Eaters: 32 Raven Guard: 30 Space Wolves: 30 Alpha Legion: 26 Salamanders: 17 Thousand Sons: 12 Maybe I'll come up with some other stats and figures eventually, but thought these might be of interest to some fellow nerds!
  5. Glory to TheWarmaster! (sorry loyalists)
  6. Look, I love you Necromunda, but if the team doing their sculpts could go...like, a month without releasing the coolest minis GW has put out in decades, that'd be great. I just need a break, y'know?
  7. I was scrolling through the previews, came to Lhykis the Warp Spider Phoenix Lord, and audibly whimpered and muttered, "Good god, that's a gorgeous looking model..." My girlfriend on the other side of the room frowned, took a moment, then got it, "...Oh you mean Warhammer model."
  8. Exactly, just like happened with the Fallout series-oh wait, that was really good and shows that the quality will depend on who is behind it rather than just "it's Amazon and modern therefore it will suck".
  9. Very curious to see how Fulgrim is done, though it's a damn shame the model will be objectively inferior to the (appropriate) perfection of the HH Daemon Fulgrim model. (hey, I'm not trying to be negative, I'm just stating facts)
  10. How are the Necromunda Squats SO consistently better than the 40k Votann?! Seriously, the gargantuan gulf between galaxies is dwarfed only by the gap in quality between the two ranges of this alien race.
  11. Same, no disrespect to the talent required to do it, but I'm not a big fan of NMM at the best of times, and when there's a dedicated dose of it on every single armour plate...it's honestly just an eyesore to me.
  12. I was unfortunately busy on the Friday, but I did sit in on some of the talks on the Saturday, specifically 40k minis as Borgmannian things, legal pluralism in the Imperium, Tyranids compared to eusocial insects, and the political themes of Genestealer Cults. In general they were interesting topics and I'm certainly going to look for some videos of other panels I missed. The quality of the presentations themselves varied, but from my experience this is a thing in conferences as a whole, not unique to this one, and none of those I saw felt outright bad or anything. The topics also often felt short, though not in the sense of being rushed, more just "This is a 20 minute presentation and could've been much longer". I say that more as a point of praise than a criticism: there isn't time to go into huge detail on everything, and I think some of these topics definitely have potential to be explored a lot further. My favourite was probably the one looking at the themes of Genestealer Cults. They contrasted how the army's original incarnation was more focused on a corrupted ruling/upper class with the shift in the modern incarnation, placing much greater emphasis on it as a working class uprising.
  13. Glad I nipped out to grab some Death Company a couple of weeks ago when I saw how bad the new ones looked. I was even asked when I brought them to the counter to pay: "Oh, hey, have you seen the new ones on the Community site?" "Yes, that's why I want to grab these ones while I still can!"
  14. Another vote for "Sanguinor is fine, Sanguinary Guard not so much." I can appreciate certain aspects about them: I like the heads, I think the armour has a decent amount of ornateness about it without going over the top, and I don't even really mind the primaris-ification since the SG always looked a bit different anyway. But something about the posing is just really off to me. They just look so awkward.
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