Calas Typhon

The moments leading to and including Mortarion were probably the more interesting parts of the book for me.

Im not going to lie, this is by far the best book I have read (Listened too in this case) by BL in a very very long time. Wraight really put out a solid book. As fitting as the Nurglings were, I was not a fan of them. Bar the small 'Critters' moment on the farm planet which was teetering on monster movie stuff, which was pretty fun. Obviously, I am massively happy with this book. It was wholly focused on the Death Guard rather than any other sub factions, and when it was someone other than the DG, It was to either forward how the DG are not as clear cut as they seem or to fill in a gap for the story to progress. Finally a minor point is that there was an awful lot of the word ':cuss' in this which was definitely a step in the right direction. This book is definitely targeted towards an older audience I really gather.

whoo boy

Well if its the case it picks up After Desh'ea, we will have a great time with the first brother coming to Angron under the orders of the Emperor, in depth look into the nails when examined by Malcodork and lots of blood and skulls! I would like ADB to take him on, but Reynolds did some fantastic work with his post HH World Eaters, so there is some great potential with him.

Angron will more than likely have 'The Red Angel' as it was his most common title. All I can say is, I really hope its going to go into Nuceria and take off straight after After Desh'ea.

I am actually not sure about the hair to be honest, the Armour is fantastic although I am not sure about the gems down the legs

The nightfall ended up with shang or the painted count did it Not?

I was always under the impression that the terminus est was gloriana, however it seems to be a capital ship. I will be honest I do not enjoy void combat outside of the ZM parts, I don't really know much about ships either. In terms of the most powerful, you would have to take in factors like who the legions were close to, how active the ships were and the crew and how tested they were. - Conquerer was a beast with a highly trained and tested naval crew also equipped with some vicious weaponry. Even working alone it could reap ships and any boarders would be massacred by the very best ship defenders. - The Death Guard were the ultimate ZM force and they were pretty damn masterful in void combat. Unfortunately we don't know much about the DG here other than what we have been told in books and white dwarf. They had some pretty close ties to the mechanicum, and similar to the world eaters they were endlessly at war without rest. They are the only two that I can be sure on other than vengeful spirit which we all know is a beast and the iron blood who would be commanded by Perturabo.

I can't seem to follow what you mean. Do you mean that they are lame because they have to believe in a God? or because they believe in Gods?

You're told from the start that there is no God and no Gods, you fight to create an Imperium for the better of humanity and almost achieve it. Suddenly you come to the realisation (true or not) that the Emperor who you took to war in name and forged an Empire for is now trying to become a God. You then hear that there are Gods as old as recorded time as far as you are aware, real gods that effect humanity and are directly linked, including what happens after death. On one hand you have an Emperor who is now a hypocrite in your eyes, in the other, you have real Gods who have the power over your soul, actions and can physically improve you for the better. The Legions of Chaos were some most self reliant and most dedicated to personal strength. If the new Gods can improve the individual, where as the previous God is about the benefit of all others. I would perfectly understand Chaos being a valid path to take to improve humanity considering the mindsets of the Legions.

Do it anyway tbh, if anyone complains just say they are heavily customised and made mostly of green stuff.

One of the main problems with the Legion successors in 40k, including the Chaos side, is that the Geneseed of all Legions are corrupted or degenerated to the point that they are unsuitable or watered down by the 41st millennium with no access to create new stock in its previous form because the Primarchs are gone or Daemons. Daemon Primarchs I would presume cannot produce geneseed as was previously done anyway due to the change of their structure, I doubt there is anything to back this up, but It seems to be a relatively sane jump. Chaos Legions always mention that the new space marines always pale in comparison, its something I would imagine to be correct. Astartes in 40k Chapters are highly trained from 10k years of constant warfare around a tried and tested guide book which can be filled in with better and new strategy. Even as a new recruit, you would learn all of this in a matter of a few years. Chaos do not really have this I would presume as the majority spend their time in the Warp and with the time differences, I could imagine your bog standard Chaos Legionary is not going to have all of that Knowledge at his back. To balance this, Chaos have various powers through Chaos, including transformations to benefit them, abilities like warp jumping and the ability to shrug off punishing damage like the Death Guard, as well as somewhat better equipment and Vehicular technology. That is something that ties into the difference between 40k factions and the difference between 30k and 40k astartes. 30K has a lot better equipment, weapons and tanks. I imagine that there are a lot more Terminators in the Chaos Legions than 40k Space Marines too.

Sanguinius returning I have a feeling would be a form of Heresy and extremely suspicious to the point of actively moving to remove him by returning loyal Primarchs. The Primarchs knew exactly what happened during the Horus Heresy and knew the fate of Sanguinius because they lived it and more than likely saw the corpse. The only legit way he could return is through a clone or through chaos, as the Sanguinor which tends to be brought up is pretty much confirmed to be Alatron. That is, unless the Emperor can return and raises Primarchs from the dead.

You mean his adoptive father who didn't exactly like him but raised him anyway, and then later rebelled forcing Perturabo to subjugate his own planet? Does his Primarch novel describe this relationship? Also Tallarn Ironclad, what is the story mainly about apart from one of the biggest tank battles in 40K? Does it also develop the Iron Warriors well apart from being jealous glory hogs? The book goes into detail on the relationships of him and his family, including a few in house political problems. It's mainly about sections of the loyalist and traitor forces finding the true reason why the iron warriors are on tallarn. You do find out. Although it's not fully expanded on and it highlights the relationship between perturabo and the forces he has lined himself with.

@withershadow Quality information, really informative for the discussion and totally not bait. Perturabo's adopted family is a major part in the iron warriors fluff.