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Hi everyone! After slowly accepting the fact, that Primaris are here to stay and that they will probably replace the standard marine in the long run, I would like to discuss how you think the new addition will affect the Black Templars in the following respects: fluff-, gameplay- and modellingwise. I'm also interested in your general opinion concerning the above mentioned aspects. As a base for discussion I have added the statline of the standard and the primaris marine as well as the direct size comparison: +++ For a start, I would like to voice my general opinion concerning the introduction of the Primaris Marines. For me it is rather obvious that the introduction of the NuMarines ist a straightforward business manoeuvre by GW. As a profit-oriented company it is their good right to do so, but I don't have to like it. I am not generally against the addition of new stuff to the hobby it's more the way how it's done, that annoys me. First off it's once more the Space Marines that get the new stuff and on top of that everything is again centered around the Ultramarines. GW has missed a great opportunity to cater to some of the less prominent armies like Nids or Orks. That would've also been a great chance to do a little something against the Space Marine overweight in the hobby. The one thing that bothers me the most is the fluff. After roughly 20 years of not moving the setting an inch they do so in a rushed, bland and unthoughtthrough manner. Some weird Techboi appears almost out of nowhere, sides with Eldar, revives Gulliman and then they quickly pull some thousands of Superelite-Astartes out of their buttocks all while chased by the almost entire 13th black crusade. And the best part is, that the alleged BT Marshal just stands idle while the imperium sides with xenos (Eldar) and traitors (Cypher). I mean seriously, that's just unworthy for a setting like 40k, that was or is originally known for it's twisted grimdarkness. Nevertheless, I really like the new models apart from the silly hoovermarines. The captain also looks cool, except that weird hood his armour has. Now to the three points I stated initially: Fluff: I can't imagine a proper BT Crusade to be very happy about Gulliman acting all Emperor and messing around with the Emperors creation. The reek of HERESY ist just too strong on all this. Gameplay: Here it all comes down to points cost and equipement options. On paper the Primaris are flat out better than their standard counterpart. Although I think the Primaris are generally in a weird spot having powerful long range bolters yet having two wounds and attacks. I tend to field my squads specialized for a certain task. In regard to the Primaris that means, that I either waste their powerful longrange potential because I wan't to make use of their cc-advantage or the other way around. Modelling: I don't know how they relate to the sigmarines in matters of size, but I can imagine some nice conversion options there. Well that's it from my part. Really looking forward to your opinions! Edit: Gravis Captain Statline added