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I'm reletivly new to HH but I have a basic understanding of the game. I want to start playing World Eaters and work on a 3k list to aim for. Any feed back on the lists to either make them more functiona or lore friendly. So I have 2 lists similar that I like the look of but have no idea how it'll play out. Thanks guys. List 1: ++ Crusade (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [3,000pts] ++ + HQ + Praetor, Legion [570pts]: Artificer Armour, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Paragon Blade . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Chainswords/Combat Blades . Master of the Legion . . Command Squad, Legion: Melta Bombs . . . Scimitar Jetbike with Heavy Bolter, Legion: Heavy Bolter . . . Space Marine Chosen, Legion: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Axe . . . Space Marine Chosen, Legion: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Axe . . . Space Marine Chosen, Legion: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Axe . . . Space Marine Chosen, Legion: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Axe . . . Standard Bearer, Legion: Bolt Pistol, Power Fist . Scimitar Jetbike with Heavy Bolter, Legion: Heavy Bolter Apothecarion Detachment [140pts] . Apothecary, Legion: Exhortation of Butchery, Jump Pack, Power Armour, Power Sword . Apothecary, Legion: Exhortation of Butchery, Jump Pack, Power Armour, Power Sword The Red Butchers [400pts]: 4x Butcher Terminator, 4x Second Power Axe . Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod: Frag Assault Launchers . The Devoured: Chainfist, Second Power Axe Assault Squad, Legion , Compulsory [310pts]: 14x Assault Space Marines, Legion . Additional Wargear: 4x Power Axe . Assault Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Melta Bombs, Power Fist . Standard Wargear . . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Chainswords/Combat Blades Assault Squad, Legion , Compulsory [310pts]: 14x Assault Space Marines, Legion . Additional Wargear: 4x Power Axe . Assault Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Melta Bombs, Power Fist . Standard Wargear . . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Chainswords/Combat Blades Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [185pts]: 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion . Chainsword, Combat Blade or Chainaxe: Chainaxe . Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion . Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs . . Power Weapon: Power Axe Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [185pts]: 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion . Chainsword, Combat Blade or Chainaxe: Chainaxe . Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion . Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs . . Power Weapon: Power Axe Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron, Legion [290pts]: Heavy Bolter, 2x Multi-melta, 6x Space Marine Sky Hunters . Standard Wargear . . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Chainswords/Combat Blades . Upgrade One Model to a Sky Hunter Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Power Fist Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter [195pts]: 2x Kraken Penetrator Heavy Missiles, Battle Servitor Control, Ground-tracking Auguries, Twin-linked Lascannon Rite of War: Berserker Assault Typhon Heavy Siege Tank, Legion [415pts]: Armoured Ceramite ++ Total: [3,000pts] ++ List 2: **++ Crusade (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [3,000pts] ++** **Praetor, Legion [570pts]:** Artificer Armour, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Paragon Blade . **Master of the Legion** . . **Command Squad, Legion:** Melta Bombs . . . **Scimitar Jetbike with Heavy Bolter, Legion:** Heavy Bolter . . . **Space Marine Chosen, Legion:** Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Axe . . . **Space Marine Chosen, Legion:** Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Axe . . . **Space Marine Chosen, Legion:** Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Axe . . . **Space Marine Chosen, Legion:** Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Axe . . . **Standard Bearer, Legion:** Bolt Pistol, Power Fist . **Scimitar Jetbike with Heavy Bolter, Legion:** Heavy Bolter **Apothecarion Detachment [125pts]** . **Apothecary, Legion:** Exhortation of Butchery, Jump Pack, Power Armour, Power Sword . **Apothecary, Legion:** Exhortation of Butchery, None (Infantry, Power Armour), Power Armour, Power Sword **Contemptor-Cortus Class Dreadnought Talon [350pts]** . **Cortus Dreadnought** . . **Dreadnought Chainfist:** Graviton Gun . . **Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon:** Graviton Gun . **Cortus Dreadnought** . . **Dreadnought Chainfist:** Graviton Gun . . **Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon:** Graviton Gun **The Red Butchers [400pts]:** 4x Butcher Terminator, 4x Second Power Axe . **Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod:** Frag Assault Launchers . **The Devoured:** Chainfist x2 **Assault Squad, Legion , Compulsory [310pts]:** 14x Assault Space Marines, Legion . **Additional Wargear:** 4x Power Axe . **Assault Sergeant, Legion:** Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Melta Bombs, Power Fist **Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [265pts]:** 19x Tactical Space Marines, Legion . **Additional Wargear:** Vexilla, Legion . **Tactical Sergeant, Legion:** Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Fist **Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [185pts]:** 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion . **Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion** . **Tactical Sergeant, Legion:** Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs . . **Power Weapon:** Power Axe **Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [185pts]:** 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion . **Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion** . **Tactical Sergeant, Legion:** Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs . . **Power Weapon:** Power Axe **Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter [195pts]:** 2x Kraken Penetrator Heavy Missiles, Battle Servitor Control, Ground-tracking Auguries, Twin-linked Lascannon **Rite of War:** Berserker Assault **Typhon Heavy Siege Tank, Legion [415pts]:** Armoured Ceramite **++ Total: [3,000pts] ++**

Hey there, Now, I know my name isn't very 'ultramarine-y' but please hear me out. I've been a long term marine player, who moves from niche to niche. I started with blood angels, moved to iron hands and then to space wolves. I love all of them, I loved the rip and tear nature of blood angels and wolves, the cold calculating style of Iron Hands, however something was missing. There are small things I dislike about them all and I don't really like how non-uniform the Space Wolves are, or how linear the playstyle of the Iron Hands seemed to be (get tanks and crush things). So, I thought I'd move to one of the most versatile chapters of the Space Marines, ultramarines. Unfortunately due to timing I've made this move right after getting crushed by my friends orks, after telling him about how the top tier marine armies include guilliman and TLAC Razorbacks I feel like he's going to think this is a cheesy move. He already despises the ultramarines too, do you guys ever get called out for playing them? Are you like me playing them for their versatility or is there another reason? Do people call you cheesy or publicly hate on your choice of ultramarines in a way that seems a bit more than the typical 'banter'? I have a lot of primaris marines and I love them to be honest, however I didn't want to use them in my SW army cause they make all the other marines look like dwarves. So my plan was a UM spin off chapter or even a 'guard' for Guilliman or the like, based around 1st Company, using Primaris instead of Veterans. So a mix of Primaris units and terminators. My colour scheme is as follows: http://imgur.com/a/VzVtS Firstly please ignore the modelling mistakes, these were a test batch made probably late at night after a night out due to excitement. However have you got any constructive criticism on the scheme itself? My brother (an ultramarine player) recommended blue shoulder pads to tie them into the Ultramarines and then use a transfer over that. I was wondering if I should make them look clean or go for a more dirty and blooded look. However when it came to adding blood effect, them not having melee weapons made me wonder where I should add it. Also there are still some details to add like on the purity seals I know. On another note, anyone that's doing a spin off company do you ever use any of the ultramarine special characters? Would it be cheesy for me to run Guilliman or Marneus with these guys? Would you think they should be the traditional colours or match the army itself? I'm sorry if these questions seem out of place or don't fit here. I wanted to get a good grasp of everything and understand things. I worry people will think I'm only changing to ultramarines for the 'metaness' of them.. Thanks for help in advance guys.