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so im trying to build a list and wondering what i should take out to fit the 2k points as im currently over and any other advice on how my army is build and changes i should make would be great too. ++ Arks of Omen Detachment (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [108 PL, 3CP, 2,105pts] ++ + Configuration + Arks of Omen Compulsory Type: Troops Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command Cost Game Type: 5. Chapter Approved: Arks of Omen Legion: Black Legion + HQ + Abaddon the Despoiler [15 PL, -1CP, 350pts]: 3. Merciless Overseer, 5. Eternal Vendetta, 6. Paragon of Hatred, Stratagem: Warlord Trait Dark Apostle [5 PL, -1CP, 95pts]: Chaos Undivided, Cloak of Conquest, Stratagem: Relic . 2x Dark Disciple: 2x Close combat weapon Lord Discordant on Helstalker [9 PL, 175pts]: Chaos Undivided, Helstalker autocannon, Techno-virus injector Master of Possession [7 PL, 125pts]: Mark of Slaanesh + Troops + Cultists Mob [2 PL, 50pts] . 9x Chaos Cultist w/ cultist firearm: 9x Cultist firearm, 9x Frag & Krak grenades . Cultist Champion . . Autopistol and brutal assault weapon Legionaries [6 PL, 90pts]: Chaos Icon, Chaos Undivided . Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun . 4x Legionary w/ astartes chainsword: 4x Astartes chainsword, 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades Legionaries [6 PL, 90pts]: Chaos Icon, Chaos Undivided . Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun . 4x Legionary w/ astartes chainsword: 4x Astartes chainsword, 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades + Elites + Chaos Terminator Squad [19 PL, -1CP, 410pts]: Mark of Slaanesh . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Combi-melta, Power fist . Chaos Terminator: Chainfist, Combi-melta . Terminator Champion: Black Rune of Damnation, Chainfist, Combi-melta, Trophies of the Long War Helbrute [7 PL, 120pts]: Helbrute fist, Mark of Tzeentch, Multi-melta Possessed [14 PL, 280pts]: Possessed Champion . 9x Possessed: 9x Hideous mutations + Fast Attack + Chaos Bikers [6 PL, 110pts]: Chaos Icon, Mark of Tzeentch . Biker Champion: Astartes chainsword . 2x Chaos Biker w/ astartes chainsword: 2x Astartes chainsword, 2x Combi-bolter, 2x Frag & Krak grenades Raptors [6 PL, 105pts]: Chaos Undivided . 4x Raptor: 4x Astartes chainsword, 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades . Raptor Champion: Astartes chainsword, Bolt pistol Venomcrawler [6 PL, 105pts] ++ Total: [108 PL, 3CP, 2,105pts] ++

Hi there! Over the past year Ive been trying to build a casual and thematic IF list with the templar assault ROW. Unfortunately, it doesnt seem like many people use this one or build a list around it, so Ive been kind of piecing it together without much advise. Id Like to hear your thoughts on the current list, and the more ideal competitive version of it. Ive only every played other peoples tryhard lists before, so Im not really sure how this fairs against an average army. Any advice would be appreciated, and if I have some rules wrong please let me know. Here are my personal restrictions: -no recon marines/scouts -no phalanx warders - set late siege of Terra around warhawk. This is the current list, and comprises of the models I have so far: The Idea for this list is to have dorn and huscarls in spartan, Sigi and some templar in proteus, and the other templar with the preator in deepstrike. Tacs grab objectives while dreads cover supporting fire for dorn and sigi to move up the board and take on elite units, once positioning is ok the other deepstrike squad will come in and flank some power armour like a heavy support squad or something. Templars also have line for objectives. Dorn and his pals take on the biggest threat, while sigi challenges the second highest threat. Tanks do damage to other vehicles/dreads or teminators. Templars should also have melta bombs to deal with any in the backlines LA - VII: Imperial Fists - Imperial Fists 3.5k - [3500Pts] ## Crusade Force Organisation Chart [3500Pts] ### Expanded Army Lists Expanded Army List Profiles:: Legacy Units On, Exemplary Units On ### Allegiance: Allegiance: Loyalist VII: Imperial Fists ### Rite of War: Rite of War: Templar Assault (IF) ### HQ: [385Pts] Praetor, Tartaros [155Pts]: Krak Grenades, Artificer Armour, Frag Grenades • Legion Tartaros Praetor [155Pts]: Vigil Storm Shield, Minor Combi-Weapon - Flamer, Magna Combi-Weapon - Disintegrator, Power Sword, Paragon Blade, Teleport Strike, Master of the Legion, Tartaros Terminator Armour Sigismund [230Pts]: Krak Grenades, Artificer Armour, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Iron Halo, Frag Grenades, Artificer Armour, Master of the Legion, The Black Sword, Master-crafted bolt pistol • Sigismund ### Elites: [230Pts] Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [230Pts] • Contemptor Dreadnought [230Pts]: Havoc Launcher, Iliastus Assault Cannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Gravis Lascannon, Atomantic Deflector ### Troops: [890Pts] Tactical Squad [220Pts]: Krak Grenades, Frag Grenades, Power Armour • 19x Legionaries (collective) [190Pts]: Bolter, Bolt Pistol • Legion Tactical Sergeant [20Pts]: Artificer Armour, Meltabombs, Bolter, Bolt Pistol Templar Brethren [335Pts]: Meltabombs, 9x Combat Shield, Krak Grenades, Frag Grenades, Artificer Armour, Power Sword, Bolt Pistol • 9x Brethren [225Pts] • Champion [17Pts]: Combat Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet, Archaeotech Pistol Templar Brethren [335Pts]: Meltabombs, 9x Combat Shield, Krak Grenades, Frag Grenades, Artificer Armour, Power Sword, Bolt Pistol • 9x Brethren [225Pts] • Champion [17Pts]: Combat Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet, Archaeotech Pistol ### Heavy Support: [995Pts] Land Raider Proteus Carrier Squadron [240Pts]: Land Raider Proteus Carrier, Searchlights, Twin-linked Lascannon, Legiones Astartes (X), 2x Sponson Mounted Gravis Lascannon, Smoke Launchers Land Raider Spartan [425Pts]: Land Raider Spartan, Multi-Melta, Searchlights, Flare Shield, Hull (Front) Mounted Twin-linked Heavy Bolter, 2x Lascannon Array, Legiones Astartes (X), Smoke Launchers Leviathan Dreadnought Talon [330Pts] • Leviathan [330Pts]: 2x Iliastus Assault Cannons, 2x Iliastus Assault Cannon, Leviathan Siege Claw, Leviathan Siege Claw, Phosphex Discharger, Atomantic Deflector ### Primarch: [1000Pts] Rogal Dorn [1000Pts]: Krak Grenades, Artificer Armour, Frag Grenades, Huscarl Squad, Master of the Legion, Frag Grenades, Warlord, The Voice of Terra, The Auric Armour, Storm's Teeth • Rogal Dorn I havent gotten to fully test this list, but I have the feeling that an army of thunderhamer termies with a chaplain and other elite termies would wipe these guys out, so I made some revisions. What do you think (its slightly overcosted but its a wip)? LA - VII: Imperial Fists - Imperial Fists new - [3080Pts] ## Crusade Force Organisation Chart [3080Pts] ### Expanded Army Lists Expanded Army List Profiles:: Legacy Units On, Exemplary Units On ### Allegiance: Allegiance: Loyalist VII: Imperial Fists ### Rite of War: Rite of War: Templar Assault (IF) ### HQ: [1005Pts] Praetor, Tartaros [150Pts] • Legion Tartaros Praetor [150Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Power Weapon, Power Sword, Teleport Strike, Vigil Storm Shield, Master of the Legion, Tartaros Terminator Armour Sigismund [855Pts]: Huscarl Squad, Krak Grenades, Iron Halo, Frag Grenades, Artificer Armour, Master of the Legion, Warlord, The Black Sword, Master-crafted bolt pistol • Sigismund ### Elites: [750Pts] Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [175Pts] • Contemptor Dreadnought [175Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Gravis Bolt Cannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Atomantic Deflector Terminator Cataphractii Squad [575Pts]: Cataphractii Terminator Armour • Cataphractii Sergeant [25Pts]: Vigil Storm Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet • 9x Cataphractii [55Pts]: Solarite Power Gauntlet, Vigil Storm Shield ### Troops: [1100Pts] Templar Brethren [550Pts]: Land Raider Proteus Carrier, Twin-linked Lascannon, Legiones Astartes (X), 2x Sponson Mounted Gravis Lascannon, Smoke Launchers, Legion Vexilla, 9x Combat Shield, Krak Grenades, Frag Grenades, Artificer Armour, Power Sword, Bolt Pistol • 9x Brethren [225Pts] • Champion [12Pts]: Combat Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet, Bolt Pistol Templar Brethren [550Pts]: Land Raider Proteus Carrier, Twin-linked Lascannon, Legiones Astartes (X), 2x Sponson Mounted Gravis Lascannon, Smoke Launchers, Legion Vexilla, 9x Combat Shield, Krak Grenades, Frag Grenades, Artificer Armour, Power Sword, Bolt Pistol • 9x Brethren [225Pts] • Champion [12Pts]: Combat Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet, Bolt Pistol ### Heavy Support: [225Pts] Deredeo Dreadnought Talon [225Pts] • Legion Deredeo Dreadnought [225Pts]: Four Boreas Air Defence Missiles, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter, Arachnus Heavy Lascannon Battery, Atomantic Deflector, Helical Targeting Array In this list, there are more terminators to deal with more units, but there are still templars as troops with line. They ride in proteus tanks to get them from a to b safely, and cap objectives/kill infantry. preator and regular terminators deepstrike wherever is needed to cause pressure and do big damage, while contemptor helps where it can. Deredo adds long range support and anti air. Sigi and his huscarls move up slowly in cover to challenge the hq. Is this list a better idea?

IF HH 3500pts Legiones Astartes Sigismund: Rite of War (Templar Assault) 230 4 Huscarls: Huscarl-master; 3 Huscarls 225 Castellan: master-crafted autocannon; power weapon (sword); bolter 102 10 Tactical Space Marines: Tactical Sergeant (artificer armour; lightning claw; plasma pistol); 9 Tactical Space Marines; legion vexilla 140 10 Tactical Space Marines: Tactical Sergeant (artificer armour; power sword; plasma pistol); 9 Tactical Space Marines; augury scanner 140 6 Cataphractii Terminators: Cataphractii Sergeant (chainfist; grenade harness); 5 Cataphractii Terminators; 4 × combi-bolter; 5 × chainfist; augury scanner 310 Contemptor Dreadnought Talon • Contemptor Dreadnought: gravis autocannon; gravis power fist; carapace-mounted havoc launcher 195 10 Phalanx Warders: Warder Sergeant (artificer armour; thunder hammer; plasma pistol); 9 Phalanx Warders; 2 × thunder hammer; legion vexilla 305 10 Templar Brethren: Champion (combat shield); 9 Templar Brethren; 9 × combat shield; legion vexilla 305 Apothecarion Detachment • Apothecary: artificer armour 55 5 Heavy Support Marines: Heavy Support Sergeant; 4 Heavy Support Marines; plasma cannons; augury scanner 160 Land Raider Spartan: pintle-mounted multi-melta; hunter-killer missile; flare shield 440 5 Heavy Support Marines: Heavy Support Sergeant (artificer armour); 4 Heavy Support Marines 110 Leviathan Pattern Siege Dreadnought Talon • Leviathan Pattern Siege Dreadnought: Leviathan storm cannon; two hull-pointed Illiastus assault cannon; phosphex discharger 340 Rogal Dorn, The Praetorian: Rite of War 435 3,492 points meant to be more casual and thematic and less competitive

Right. So. I've left my army at uni, but me and friends are meeting up tomorrow night for some games, I'll have access to 2x know no fear, potentially plus a rhino. Bare bones that's 1000 points plus the rhino. I've never played or properly looked into space marines to the point of building a list before, is there anything I can work with here? I'm obviously I'm rly limited on options, I'd appreciate recommendations on which chapter/custom chapter rules to run (some are painted as smurfs, some as mantis warriors, some as blood angels, and the rhino is pallid hand death guard), relics, wlts, squad wargear etc - I think my tactic is basically rain bolter fire on anything that moves since I've got so many boltguns, but I don't want to trawl through the codex plus supplements to find the best fit I'll be playing death guard (likely harbingers or ferrymen), t'au sept t'au, and black legion if it makes any difference List of units for anyone who needs (not sure which wargear to run): 2× gravis captain 10x intercessors 10x hellblasters 6x inceptors Rhino - I know I can't run primaris in this dw, it's only on the list because it's something I've got access to Thanks

Hail Brothers of Fenris! I'm entirely new to the idea of list building, but have been a long time lore enthusiast, and shorter term painter all things considered. I've been shifting back and forth between what I've wanted to paint my primaris force as for a long time now. I've painted and tested many models, most recent of which were some lovely Doom Eagles, but with all the fuss regarding the new Psychic Awakening I've been reminded of the reason I got into 40k in the first place: the Space Wolves. The first 40k book I read was Spacewolf by William King, and instantly fell in love with the setting (and Ragnar, in no small manner). So, with that boring lore out of the way, I would like to ask you Wolves of Fenris how you would recommend I build my army going forward. I'm a huge fan of the primaris range, and have a lot of the models unbuilt and unpainted, so I would like to primarily keep it within the range, but anything other than the original marines would be fine by me (Wolfen, Older Dreads because Bjorn is the best, thunderwolf cavalry in a small dose). I also don't want the spotlight here, and would love to hear how the rest of you have built your armies, and the stories you've forged over the years! Model List: 2x Gravis Captains 1x Primaris Captain 2x Primaris Lieutenants (One is Haldor) 1x Primaris Librarian 1x Primaris Ancient 30x Intercessers 3x Aggressors 5x Hellblasters 3x Inceptors 1x Scout Squad 1x Redemptor Dreadnought 1x Repulsor